| IVOD_ID |
163441 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163441 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-12T09:17:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-12T09:33:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/affd0e2636d87bdf769a19839e726bf5a8bba6e65b10b0a548a1f95477ba6fc47a6d1c5068171aab5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:17:11 - 09:33:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等13案。（8月8日）二、邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席，提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢。（8月12日）三、8月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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傅坤祺委員請準備 |
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主席 在場委員先進列席的政府機關上官員 會長 工作夥伴媒體接任女士先生有請我們卓院長以及農業部陳部長 經濟部郭部長後面可能會包括了我們的交通部還有我們的財政部請準備麻煩請卓院長 農業部 經濟部備詢 |
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總務員好院長好兩位部長好請問院長您覺得這一次的颱風加好雨相較於2008年的莫拉克的風災的災害程度哪一個比較嚴重就降雨量而言尤其在許多的山區高雄山區降雨量都超過了莫拉克颱風的等級而且帶來的17級的強風也不可小覷而且災害時期也比較長 |
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更重要的是莫拉克發生在幾天當中這個是集中加上好雨連續幾乎一整個月都曾經在這種風雨狀態之中那你知道嗎當年莫拉克風災在8月8號發生之後政府 |
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在不到20天內就通過了一個災後重建特別條例速度可謂相當的快但是現在距離7月的颱風到現在我們行政院才送來災後重建的特別條例您覺得速度上可以符合災民或社會的期望嗎 |
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是因為原來莫拉克颱風的風力跟雨勢是非常的強但是局限在幾個縣市我們認為由中央地方來合作中央應變中心來指揮調度應該可以面對那樣的一個狀況但是後來看到是污損特別的嚴重再加上修復過程當中雨還是不斷的下雖然到728是好雨但過程施工上是困難的所以我們到728之後才認為說 |
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成立一個前進指揮所而且馬上通過一個特別條例這個在時間上考慮我想我們會深刻的檢討我想站在災區災民的心聲救災是慢了點救災要快但是重建要穩當年的莫拉克風災救災很快但是重建的過程 |
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因為要切中需求以致於我們發現了一些後遺症那我們希望這一次救災已經在亡羊補牢了但我們希望重建的特別條例能夠針對我們災區重建的需要來落實進行好不好好的 謝謝 |
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我們來看一下這次的0728的豪雨全台農損2.6億 貧農相當多我想在這之後我們馬上就提出對農業部希望對於天然災救助以及農業保險的賠付還有對農民的設施損害進行補助 是不是這樣請問部長 我們過去這些溫網式的補助平常是政府可以補助幾成 |
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我跟委員說明平常的時候我們對溫網的補助是五成那現在遇到特別情況呢我們現在已經拉到80%很好那麼強固型的溫網最高不超過980萬我跟院長報告一下其實溫網這種設施農業是農業不支持也是未來的趨勢使用設施農業我們可以少用農藥少用肥料而且比較能夠抗後性但是再強的設施遇到極大的風力還是會受損 |
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舉例來講一個青龍他回去耕作一甲地的強固形溫網他的設施要兩千萬政府很幫忙給他補助五成補助一千萬他自己要去背一千萬的貸款結果這次損失了現在政府很慷慨說好那這次你重建我補助你八成他是不是還要負擔四成的貸款對不對 |
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還要負責嘛他前面的一千萬還沒有還後面還要再去舉債四百萬縱使政府補助到八成補助到一千六百萬他是不是很吃力部長你覺得我跟委員報告齁在這次的災害裡面一般我們過去都是用救助金去處理那這次特別的是救助金一定是不夠的所以我們用專案補助到八成那專案補助的經費下去不夠的時候我們用貸款的方式來協助對 部長你沒有回答我的問題我就講過了 |
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過去我對農業部多事之心像這樣的設施農業的投資很大超過一般農民能復課他可能要拿土地去抵押但是我們政府的補助再多他還是要去借款那連續的自災他沒有辦法能力去負擔所以我們希望說是不是不要用貸款的 用什麼用租的我舉例 |
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部長跟院長你聽一下尤其是郭部長企業家兩千萬啦你叫我這個台四百萬我前陣子一千萬沒行清你就算政府要幫忙我也憂寒啦但是我們政府補助這一千八百萬一家庭我們一家庭租金一年要兩百萬 |
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你叫農民負擔一半 負擔一百你偶像這一千六百萬你要補助 你可以補助一十兩年啊可以補助一十兩年 實際上是補助四個人四年所以說你要補助他的八成 你換作租金 補貼一半 |
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而且就文旺社的人來說 我是藥車 我要出租我當然希望說立法會要定期嘛如果立法會租金 政府幫你補租我就不會煩惱什麼 你立法會去嘛所以文旺社的藥車 他就願意說 我來去來祝福農民議長 院長你覺得怎麼樣 |
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我覺得凡是能夠減輕農運民的負擔在產業上支持農業部持續一直推出他也提到過如果上一季下一季這個生產不能順利兩季的所有的這個補貼也是會持續來加碼的像類似這個也是一樣的意義我想部長講的用租的方式認為是一個可行所以部長可不可以趕快示範 |
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尤其是農信寶已經開始找一個廠商一個地點已經開始投入了你要不要支持我跟委員講這樣的一個遺書代購的這種方式我們農業部絕對支持那這個時間點是一個非常重要的就是說因為現在所有的溫室業者都在搶修現在的業者所以我們用示範的方式我們找適當的地點去來支持好 謝謝那接下來下一個問題就是說這次我們經濟部長在這裡 |
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這一次雲嘉南的風力特別在高17級我們是不是電感倒一堆 沒錯嘛那相較之下那個光電廠的受損是不是大致完整相較於電感倒了要復電 要復修很難但是光電廠基本上是大致完整的那就產生一個現象風雨過去了啦 日頭出來了啦光電板可以發電啦 電線不出去啦 |
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但是因為電盲還沒修理好誰嘛 我的氣溫啊 我的洞口沒電啊 為什麼 因為我是接台電的電電盲沒修理好外面的電送不進來 所以我的水車不會碰 我的汽油汽油浮起來 冰凍 我洞口裡面的汽油都噴了 |
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你覺得這個部分我跟郭委員有提出來我們希望未來我們農業的附近的這些光電能夠來支援農業你知不知此這個在現場我們有聽到看到這樣的現象所以我們想到說是不是可以用比方說儲能的方式或者是 |
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發動機的方式 將這個電能夠送出來讓它形成一個微電網的設置讓它能夠就這個餘溫的業者能夠就近來取得這個電業那這個還要做一些銜接的工作這個問題呢 需要經濟部跟農業部公園解決我講給部長聽齁人家說 人家熟悉的講啊小伙子要吃氣啊我在賣瓷碗的齁 我用的碗是破的啦 為什麼好的碗那樣 要賣給客人破的碗呢 我自己拿來吃飯小伙子吃氣 |
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同樣道理我們的光電在農村的地區因為綠電比較值錢我做的電廠一定是賣給台電至於我自己餘溫使用的我自己冷凍庫使用的我一定接台電的電所以過去我們的電網的設計沒有這樣的雙向機制所以我們的表後供電我們的雙向開關我們的儲能設施都要趕快來進行保證你有同意嗎 |
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報告委員我想這個部分都是我們現在極力在改進的部分所以剛才院長有指示就是我們去看災看完了回來以後院長有指示就是在這個地區都要形成一個智慧電網也就是說利用光電的部分然後發電然後就屬於他那個地區裡面來做一些備用 |
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有需要的時候他就可以馬上直流切換到交通關鍵是要儲能但是要告訴陳部長因為增加供應的韌性因為這個光電跟電網呢要一個儲能來做轉接高價的電我賣掉低價的電我拿來用好 那我現在跟你講在養殖場域的示範效果我們來看一下現在的法令 |
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農業設施農業用地上農業設施容許使用沒有包括儲能也就是說我現在的光電地區我這邊有洞口我這裡有水車但是我沒有放儲能我可以放柴油放電機但是我沒有放儲能有沒有辦法趕快農業部趕快調整這些房子 |
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我跟委員報告現在的儲能設置在農業用地已經有容許使用在45平方公尺以下是可以放的然後我要跟委員報告的一個重點說您剛才講的這樣子利用儲能利用發電機這些智慧為電網的部分一個非常重要的前端的一個集團養殖所以我們現在也在啟動這樣的一個集團養殖一個方式來搭配後面的儲能的供電系統好 謝謝 謝謝陳部長接下來我請邱部長上來 衛福部經濟部長繼續 來 |
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那下一個呢 |
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這次衛務部有個示範計畫我很肯定他們在花蓮的鳳林這些地方他們用無人機在那些孤島消音交通專案的這些原住民地區他送藥過去但是這不是常態可是為了這個事情你要先把無人機的相關的法規處理好所以我這裡也要再請陳士凱部長要上來來處理國務長可以請回就是說像這樣的無人機送藥那個邱部長後來有沒有派上用場花蓮有沒有這種無人機送藥 |
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花蓮啊沒有 最次的災後因為沒有需求所以沒有對 但是我們屏東的需要可是屏東不是事辦計畫他沒有辦法及時的去申請無人機的飛航這個計畫所以我要跟陳部長說目前我們民防局訂的無人機的這些飛航計畫太繁文褥傑不可能所以我要請衛福部未來的潛勢點先把它規劃好 |
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到時候一有需要馬上就可以派飛那我要請那個部長 院長只是部長喔未來我們無人機的這種送藥呢其實只要保公共意外責任險就好了公共意外責任險不用去搞到說還要底下的飛行路徑的地主同意柏中你知道我在說什麼啦是不是 院長還指示他們把這個問題簡化在花蓮地區已經有事辦 包括封兵 |
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豐賓跟秀琳 秀琳跟豐賓兩個地區他有示範的點那既然有這樣點在試驗成功那應該迅速 我要求你們兩部會合一下迅速在各個縣市都訂點能夠有這樣的點出來他的一些責任 保險的責任或是關於鑰匙法的責任都一律排除好 謝謝兩位部長請回我們接下來請我們台政部的部長莊部長時間暫停 |
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好 莊部長剛剛也跟您提問過了這是問關稅美國關稅很多台灣的出口業主要市場在美國但是我們台灣主要是來料加工因此我進口原料的時候要對台灣政府繳關稅而且我出口到美國的時候理論上我可以退但是大部分的業者未達金額或者手續繁瑣所以很多出口業者他並沒有把他進口原料的關稅要求政府退回來 |
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院長你覺得如果這一次像這些出口產業者因為他的主要市場在美國過去他跟我們台灣政府繳的這些進口關稅他沒有退的我們可不可以這次還給他幫助他來度過對美關稅的衝擊 |
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關稅的衝擊現在我們還在談判當中我想委員問的不是個案或是針對關稅是通案那我是認為說我們對於關稅新關稅貿易的秩序調整之後我們要幫助產業來快速的適應整個新的世界的官貿秩序那至於您說的這個通案請部長來說來 |
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是我想委員這樣的一個建議我們可以來主動一個查一下看看有沒有他可以退的關稅而目前還沒有退這個部分這個部分我們來做然後程序上我們也讓他簡化 |
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好 我來跟大家講 院長部長您看一下其實目前我國出口產業如果以美國為主要市場我們外銷品的沖退原料稅以貨品為基準也就是說我現在出口去美國的這批貨物當時他在進口的原料哪些是有跟我們台灣這種繳過關稅的 |
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我可以退但是要付一定金額而且你要證明比例所以對很多出口業者來講如果是中小企或傳產他不像是大型的業者他可以做得很清楚所以很多的出口業者他買了原料跟台灣政府繳了關稅他要出口到美國的時候他沒有辦法跟政府申請退稅 |
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這跟我們去觀光客去國外買觀光品退稅的那我們往下看那是不是說我們現在呢這些業者可不可以我們在一定年期內請院長指示財政部跟經濟部請經濟部去調查這些以美國為主要出口的中小企業 |
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他過去三年過去五年或甚至過去十年他有這種來料加工他進口原料有繳了進口的關稅甚至營業稅營業稅是有退的但是關稅呢一定要按照這個程序退這 |
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累積下來他也貢獻了不少稅收給我們政府他現在要出口去美國了他可能七成的出口市場在美國可是美國關稅提高他壓力很重他要自己吸收可不可以請政府把過去他這三年或五年或十年你們制定辦法把他交給政府沒有退的這些稅呢來給他幫助他杜曉月院長部長可以支持嗎 |
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謝謝委員 我們絕對支持不讓國人有重複繳稅增加產業負擔這不是重複繳稅 這個是要幫助他重複繳稅或增加這個稅務負擔的各項的措施那如果承諾有委員剛剛所提到的過去幾年都沒有照目前這個方式來退縮的話我想法律上的依據如何協助業者來請求這個部分再請我們要請 |
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行政院積極主動其實政府的稅收以後只要業者債 債收就有他們現在渡難關我們要全力支持好不好 |