| IVOD_ID |
163425 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163425 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-07T12:41:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-07T12:50:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ce960b47cc6398b931d966f648fad7b770dc6911ab88c3aae4ff6bd0191219aef952555c339954dd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:41:23 - 12:50:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員就「美國對等關稅底定後，我國經濟未來之景氣情況及產業全球佈局新規劃」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝趙偉那我們是不是有請劉主委劉主委 |
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主委那因為川普昨天又公布了針對半導體所謂100%然後有在美國設廠就不再豁免的概念但是這個大概 |
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還不是很明確因為川普這樣的宣示但是相對比較明確的是8月7號已經上路的這個暫時性關稅那台灣就是20%所以我們看起來就是說對美國逆差的國家包括台灣是美國第六大逆差的第六差國家所以台灣在跟美國談判 |
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當然可能要面對相對比較大的壓力他會希望台灣要釋出我們一些產品的進口的關稅的下降或者是其他的方式但是這個20%來確實有很多國人在 |
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在比較就是跟日本跟韓國那跟日本台灣跟日本呢產品的事實上互補性比較高一點所以我們跟日本相對來說同樣在出口美國的我們的競爭競爭比較少比較少 |
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但是相對的韓國就比較多了所以我想要請教的就是主委就是說韓國過去跟美國因為有FTA有自由貿易協定所以他們在於FTA的一個架構之下韓國跟美國之間有超過95%的商品是零關稅95%的商品那是過去的時代但是川普看起來他的這個對等關稅 |
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他是推翻了過去的自由貿易協定嘛是這樣的沒有錯嘛那自然推翻了過去的自由貿易協定那台灣跟韓國過去在競爭上因為韓國有FTA台灣跟美國還沒有簽署了BTA或者是FTA那是不是台灣跟韓國之間過去應該就有所謂稅率的劣勢我們的廠商在出口美國的這一塊 |
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就非科技產品式的非科技產品嘛在WTO的豁免清單裡面的話大家是條件沒有差異很大WTO這個架構之下大家是一樣的嘛但是在這個豁免清單在科技產品類以外的我們的確在稅率上面我們是因為它有FTA的優勢 |
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它有FTA的優勢所以可能台灣過去有一些產品在銷售美國的時候我們可能也會有課3% 5%幾%對不對那現在好現在又比較起來在對等關稅下韓國是15%那台灣是20% |
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我們差了這5%但是如果再把之前FTA的因素來做一個稍微扣掉多少事實上差的%數也許沒有那麼多甚至也許在過去可能台灣跟韓國我們被課5%以上的那會不會因為15%跟20%的差距反而減少了跟韓國的競爭的關稅的劣勢 |
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目前我的認知是沒有啦沒有這樣的狀況目前是沒有為什麼呢因為它是增增加增的加增在那個既有稅率下加增所以我們現在的20%就在既有的稅率上加增再加增好那這一次我要問的第二個問題因為今天日本日本就忽然出了一個新聞說日本方面也去說哇原來他們的15% |
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是指以前低於15%的以前低於15%的就是以15%來計算那如果高於在以前他的商品是高於15%的那就不是15%還是用之前的一個關稅這是日本今天有這樣的一個訊息出來所以他們認為說這樣的話並不是所有商品都退到15% |
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那未來我們台灣的談判也是這樣的一個邏輯嗎我相信我們現在台灣團隊是很聰明的啦他如果有看到日本這個訊息應該會納進來做談判的討論因為這個訊息跑出來嘛因為日本已經發現說這個15%並不是所有商品一律15%他是指說過去是20%的雖然已經談到15%可是還是一樣用20%來計算 |
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因為這時候很多是美國單方面因為他們主導談判所以他們很多決策是他們在做在做決策但是在談判的時候剛剛講到的就是說這部分我們台灣應該也要注意對我覺得這應該我們會注意到 |
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還是我們已經注意到了因為我們注意到是歐盟的部分因為歐盟已經有寫出來那有協議但是歐盟的協議是怎樣日本當時好像沒有協議歐盟是全部都是15%他是說原稅率高於15%的就不再加徵那原稅率低於15%的課15%那跟日本有點一樣因為他是加徵稅率的加徵 |
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所以原稅這樣我還是不懂你剛說我們台灣如果原稅率是5%原稅率5%那在對等關稅之下是加徵對變25%是這樣嗎台灣目前是這樣但是等到談判的結果像歐盟這樣的寫法就變成是說舉個例子歐盟的做法就會我們20%然後原稅率是5%的話他就會直接寫出來是20% |
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歐盟是這樣歐盟是這樣做他就是原稅率如果是5%原稅率如果低於15%的就以15%算就以15%算他沒有加徵OK他沒有加徵那原稅如果高於15%的呢就以原稅率就以原稅率這是歐盟的那就跟日本一樣啦對日本也是這樣類似這樣所以日本可能他們原本期待都是15%結果後來發現他們跟歐盟也一樣 |
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如果原稅率高於15%的他們一樣是被課原稅因為這個有像在232裡面對銅這些銅鐵這種有50%的稅嘛那是232的規範232又是另外232啊就不在這15%就不在這他們的15%的那個稅率的規範就會在50%來課證嘛所以這跟我的理解又不一樣所以232不是累加的 |
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232就是說如果232的稅率已經定在那邊了就繼續走232對繼續走232所以不管不管20不管有沒有這個20存在他們就是繼續走232包括這次的晶片就會就會也就不在這個範圍晶片就是另外嘛對不對所以我們大概有74%點幾的產品像是在232的範圍對我們的產品在232很多對 |
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嗯 主委應該我的時間不多啦可是我覺得我們這樣的一個對話我還是很多概念我沒辦法釐清所以我覺得國人會更亂 |
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那當然現在還在談判的一個階段中我是覺得說我們整個談判的過程就是要把所有對我們不利以及我們有利的因素都整理好那以及現在因為現在歐盟跟日本現在也發現說有很多狀況好像跟他們談判的時候的預期是不一樣的那這些東西如果我們這個戰爭性關稅我們還在進行接下來的談判我覺得這些東西我們有機會都要跟美國說得好 |
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好不好 盡量朝向讓它是簡單然後大家是知道的好的我們會轉好如果是說好單純是用232那232我們現在在談判也在一併談嘛那到底未來不要再累加 累加就比較可怕 |
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這我們不知道啦我們希望你們好好談但是整個狀況如果談出了一個有一個結論之後要跟國人報告可能就要把這一些我剛設想的有很多到底是怎麼累加或者是高於原本高於20%的部分或是高於多少的部分那以後是要怎麼計算我剛剛都要給國人一次的說明清楚好不好好的好的我會轉達謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝我們就 |