| IVOD_ID |
163410 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163410 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-07T10:54:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-07T11:11:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ce960b47cc6398b9df84c616805cffe570dc6911ab88c3aa0394dc758d122e314dbbcf117f4815fb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:54:51 - 11:11:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員就「美國對等關稅底定後，我國經濟未來之景氣情況及產業全球佈局新規劃」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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陳委員早 劉主委早 身體有沒有比較好有沒有壓力很大 我討一項要跟你拜託拜託很久了 他就沒時間跟你記名就是桃子苗大溪谷之外 還有苗栗縣是十分的積極目前苗栗縣政府的用地評估已接近尾聲 |
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現在就是來中央機關要協助但是當時是行政院核定你們提送的那目前苗栗縣政府有三塊的產業用地後龍的產業園區沒有問題它的主管機關就是經濟部那投入交流報那個投入科學園區裡面它是經過都市計畫變更應該也沒有問題 |
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現在最大的問題就是自然科第二期的科學研修裡面,那是非都市計畫,這裡面我們一直跟國科會一直連絡,他不願意來當主管使館。我在這,我要特別請我們的劉子維,你再來幫我們協調一次。 |
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協調一次的話,是看國科會要認,還是你國化會要認,還是由苗栗縣政府來認來當為主管機關的開發,不然現在到底要怎樣來決定這些而且這些計畫對苗栗縣的繁榮、發展跟進步是非常非常重要關鍵 |
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我特別拜託你出面一遍 看你講的什麼其實我出面一遍過 我想看看因為這個科學園區 它只有國會會可以來做那產業園區就比較多元了 |
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那科學園區在國科會的考慮點是說因為它科學園區做出來以後,也要有人願意進駐嗎?我相信很多事情都有變通的方式可以那只要我們來協商一下,不然這樣後來所以我們壓力很大,已經宣布出去了,大家都在期待之中 |
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好不好我們不要講困難我們要講如何解決困難的問題因為我們當初我們在整個桃竹苗大西湖計畫並沒有指明這塊地只有在這個區嘛你再講一下我就聽不太清楚我們當時抱怨的桃竹苗大西湖計畫是有說到要在這裡做在這個區做但是並沒有講是這塊地或是哪一塊地也沒講時間點 |
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那所以國客會的想法就是說他的地要一塊一塊的有人買他租他才會慢慢的租出去他要確定有那他才會考慮來做那第二個他們過去他們現在的做法因為他們都會因為這個要經過都更會很久尤其那裡是農業保護地那他們大部分都會找現成的地來進行 |
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所以這是我們第一次協調的結果沒關係啦,我們再來想想看我們再來想想看,我們選一天,好我就討論好我就解決這個問題,這樣好不好?好,我拜託再來,我要跟你請教因為關於232條款,晶片跟我們的電子產業的一個計畫那現在關稅調到100% |
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原則上現在我要問行政院到底知道川普的要求是什麼行政院說這個企業的投資不清楚不清楚說你們去問那個投資的公司台積電他最清楚你剛好是台積電的董事我第一個問題要跟你請教 |
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台積電已經在美國投資1650億美金現在川普在說的是再追加3000億美金還是追加2000億美金這是追加還是包含了1650億說得清楚我們可以了解台積電的問題對美國導致所引起的一個對台灣的影響 |
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這個部分台積電已經回應了台積電已經回應了嘛他的回應就代表公司的回應嘛你也知道當初台積電是沒有回應的董事是不會去不能亂講嘛要靠發言人來講嘛那發言人他們的發言回來我想他們之前已經很清楚表達就是用到目前為止 |
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你是怎麼樣,你台積電的董事是台灣的代表在那邊,連你都不懂,你們在說我們要怎麼相信?我懂的就是1650億嗎?多少?就1650億公告的數字你意思,我是立法委,我不是經濟部長,經濟部長說這個市場要給你修理,到底是多少錢要投資多少?到現在還不懂,你們如何去談判? |
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阿你是國安會主委捏你是台灣最重要經濟的一個操盤手捏阿你不知道我看齁整個台灣政府都很...委員我知道就是一千六百五十億阿這個是...這是的確...好啦好啦你做官啊怎麼這麼說所以我永遠不相信這個政府這是經過董事會...連這樣就不敢說出來到...經過董事會也是經過公司公告的嘛我這個我這個說嘛給台灣人會不會知道嘛 |
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那這是的確啦 目前我知道只有到這啦因為因為因為是講出來怕傷到臺灣的心還是怎麼樣這個實在是誠意很大這個沒有好什麼隱瞞的這沒什麼好隱瞞的我真的覺得沒有好隱瞞的 |
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這裡面現在又有一個說出來台積電要跟英特爾要結合在一起那你當初回答我一句話柴油跟汽油不能合併但是可能會提示這種要求英特爾占51%台積電占49%這個情形你也不知道再上一次你國化會主委不知道這個政府就亂套了 |
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委員是這樣我們在上一次的時候呢很早就傳出來那時候傳出來呢事實上是一些投資界的人傳的聲音那這個台積電也有去查證那所以這個部分我們並沒有被討論過了 |
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現在有出來在這個方針再出來喔但是我們不能因為媒體的任何風聲都希望你們給我氣魄給我擔當而已問完你們都不知道我不知道國安會關稅的談判根本是太重要太重要影響各種企業跟我們經濟政策的做什麼都要你們都說不知道我這個政府是當時我才不知道你們在談什麼你們在談變什麼所以是由我們副院長在討論啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊 |
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不是,這是因為很重要的事情我相信說你有兩年人蓋過問題簾,這樣你都不知道,疑問三不足這政府要怎麼叫他們取信於民現在時間已經是坦白關鍵的時刻了我跟你報告的是事實事實你說我不知道,我也沒辦法真的啦,這真的是事實啦沒有,這個事情是媒體等的包括你有 |
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至少在我們沒有討論過啦好啦好啦我相信你啦我希望沒有啦再來今天你回答了一個問題那現在232的條款裡面你說台灣的競爭力很強不用擔心我們232條款100%不用擔心台灣很安全你要學習 |
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其實大家最環繞的就是232條款電子產品我們的晶片 |
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量子件那一些你如果說不用煩惱我現在想起來所有都說對等關稅還不是最重要台灣的主要產業是在232條款裡面你說不重要我不曉得你信心從哪裡來委員我是針對晶片的部分針對晶片的部分回答啦 |
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那晶片的部分的確我們最主要的晶片廠商的確他在美國有設廠第二個不是我們100%是全球都100% |
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你相信川普的野心那些嗎?川普的野心是要全部掌控那個晶片的美國要做老大他能指揮一切只有戰略方式他就能滿足 我覺得我怎麼演什麼幻想我都不曉得我講的是說到2029年這三個場因為當時大家你應該就了解2029年川普卸任了沒有都有評估過這三個場 |
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針對當時大家在評估的時候我想各個業界都有評估過了那個量真的沒有很大我們只是想告訴大家台積電主要投資都在台灣 |
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我剛才跟你說主要的投資在台灣他的資料現在這幾個廠蓋完了他不蓋因為台灣的電力不夠他不敢蓋我們要承認一些事實這是他們內部的消息給我們的 |
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所以說要往外蓋啊往外蓋美國的所有投資4600億對台灣有沒有幫忙委員我們都有跟台積電定期在會議對於所有的新廠需要的電力有些話你們不敢講包括道路我們都有在每個月都有在談他也已經了解台灣的電力不夠你們要相信這一點不要對台灣人只講好聽的話 |
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我不會這樣喔,這的確我們在開會裡面我們對每一個廠的需求我們都在滿足啦所以到目前為止,台積電的計畫並沒有改變我是不怎麼樂觀,你們現在都說得好聽一點好,再來一個問題,你是台積電的董事二耐米台積電洩漏到日本去,只有一天的新聞星期三,今天星期四,所有新聞都沒有在 |
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這很夭壽我看起來他是從台積電離開到日本公司上任叫做一家叫做TL他是半導體商設備第三名他來切起這個機制到日本 |
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那個晶片的團隊叫做REPITAS他是國家隊喔日本的國家隊做到那一邊說7月18號2奈米他們已經試做成功啊 |
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你們每天在說台灣的肥大很多現在日本的間諜也不少我看台灣已經千山百棟載人去了我很奇怪如果是你台積電的董事你應該關心台積電這個事情怎麼今天連報紙的新聞都沒有還是日本人很會做公共的關係還是台灣政府開始在引入他這一塊 |
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你告訴我 2奈米已經被拖出去 台灣政府都沒有出聲是因為日本到日本不敢出聲還是怎麼樣委員我先跟你報告他當時成立的時候是購買 就是選用IBM2奈米技術 |
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那是IBM的兩奈米技術是賣給它的那第二個它的製程跟我們的製程是不一樣的我們是一個產品頭片可能就是一萬片五千片它其實廠產能只有五千片我們大部分都是五萬片以上那它為什麼只有五千片它是走客製化它可以每一片都不一樣是採用HIT-Touch之前的技術 |
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你說日本團隊是怎樣因為我跟這些人也算熟悉你怎麼很相信日本人講的話每一片不一樣除了做軍用他不會想擴展他的聲譽為什麼他要來拖起我們的二耐民你們都說好聽話 |
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除了一天在罵對岸的 連日本這樣情形 連屁都不敢晃連講一聲中話都沒有 新聞整個封鎖起來我覺得我們這國家永遠就是三重的標準在我說日本美國會很恐怖捏 他要你什麼就是絕對要你捏 |
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這個我有要求台積電要做進行檢討然後這個來做一定的管控那目前他的偵測技術至少這個是他主動偵測出來那台積電這個部分還是很強的二賴米被拿過去 |
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你台灣的競爭地位日本也是很會很強的我們的燃料要很多從那邊來的設備從那邊來的他慢慢走轉的話就載你台灣您就很樂觀的看法這個生意是誰該送你競爭的呢有一個很難的您不要以為他們就對你好 |
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有一個很難的是它做出2奈米它的良率能不能穩定在最高的良率那個是我其實我跟你說ASML的荷蘭那一家公司還沒有美國通用公司還有那個TEL三家半導體設備的廠商他們不會改進啊 |
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其實有人看到就知道歐美甲在想什麼我跟你講做設備的他一定會了解我怎樣去改進到最好這些資料過去了你們還在替他掩護我不知道我們的心態是什麼啊覺得政府很奇怪連鄂賴銘的技術外卸是去了你們只有看鮑達福的設備那一關難過你們每次拿它都沒關係 |
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你們都沒有緊張的心理我們國科會都很認真的來參與調查不夠認真啦我看今天的報紙都沒有寫我這很莫名其妙要是中國大陸大概要炒上一個月啊現在那在執政黨的都不敢講話我沒有看到一個人問真的真的 |
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奇怪 你等一下問啦你在我後面啦 邱志偉你問一下為什麼鄂耐敏的機師已經外流到日本了台灣都沒有發生只有一天的新聞第二天的新聞全部紅手 |
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奇怪不奇怪委員你可以這樣看一個投手至少要五種三種以上的球路他看了一種拿書看就可以投職棒嗎其實沒有那麼簡單不是書看了就會而且他只看到一部分因為台積電是切割很多段這是事實台積電的保護就是這樣做的 |
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因為這樣你們又替人家講話你為什麼說他的製程他不一定會學會日本比台灣人還笨嗎你們敗為偶像的國家呢怎麼會比我們笨所以你們這個就是這樣阿拜台灣其實給你們這台都沒贏謝謝 |