| IVOD_ID |
163401 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163401 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-07T09:53:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-07T10:05:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ce960b47cc6398b99c7edcc07ab7195170dc6911ab88c3aa02881fab7f5768fb9eca1244ea1315045ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:53:12 - 10:05:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員就「美國對等關稅底定後，我國經濟未來之景氣情況及產業全球佈局新規劃」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝召喚會我們是不是請主委劉主委委員早 |
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今天川普總統在我們臺灣凌晨四點半的部分發布了這個消息其實大家原本以為是下個禮拜可是他提早把這樣的聲音丟出來那這個聲音丟出來之後主委你認為對於我們臺灣的半導體產業有什麼影響 |
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台灣半導體產業大部分的大部分的晶片是輸到那個組裝廠去大部分不在美國只有少部分那目前原來我們看到去年是74億美金那74億美金如果扣掉台積電再把中美經營在美國也有廠扣下來的話大概應該會在60不到60億美金接近60億美金的數字 |
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在我們出口的總額應該是百分之應該是1.12啦1.12對那所以你認為它的衝擊力呢它的衝擊力大概就是以我們可以用60億美金來看它的衝擊可是事實上並沒有那麼高的原因我解釋一下就是說 |
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除了我們剛剛講在美國有廠的廠商之外我們現在還有人是跟Intel合作他也可以跟Intel談合作那另外很明顯我們有建廠跟併購兩種有些企業也可以進行併購快速的進去只要有承諾就可以 |
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那有實現就沒有實現就要再退這段期間的關稅所以呢大的廠應該會有一些佈局跟動作那我跟我們佈局台灣跟台灣佈局全球一樣嘛那這個政策是一樣我們會支持他那另外我們在德州也幫也正在努力想幫大家拿到的爭取這個我們正在爭取這個 |
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零週稅的機會目前至少州長是對我們很支持所以這些都開始在佈局那另外一次我們之前跟廠商開會的時候大部分廠商都說他們其實第一個可全球佈局第二個事情只要那個時候多數廠商的表達是說只要他的競爭對手也是課一樣的稅的話 |
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他們的競爭力還是一樣的所以他們認為如果只要是一樣他就沒有很大的差異那現在我們在評估的是Global Fungi比較大的代工也部分在美國那但是他是以8吋廠為主所以我們還在這個還要看他相對的競爭值我們現在 |
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今天早上我其实发了一些讯息给到相关的协会我们希望尽快的请他们帮我们收集出来那这个影响应该是非常小因为Global Foundry对跟台厂之间没有那么强的竞争我觉得因为今天川普已经在 |
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这个台湾时间凌晨四点半做了这样的一个宣布就是说半导体要开征百分之百的关税除非你是在美国设厂我想他今天会讲出这个大概也差不多是这个方向了对还有承诺在美国设厂 |
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对 就是说在美国设厂可能就排除在这之外那我必须说是不是因为这个样子所以其实在昨天川普他有说了一个所谓台积电要再投资3000亿美元那当然台积电本身已经有说了他们目前还是维持在1650亿美元这样的一个标准 |
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那是不是会因为川普今天早上四点半所做的这个百分之百关税的一个问题而造成台积电在整个投资的一个范围会扩大会不会是这个样子 |
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這個我們還是要尊重台積電的看法那但是我的經驗是這樣子這個沒有訂單他也不會去有訂單他才會去這是他必須對他的股東負責因為他是一個上市公司 |
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所以呢台積電應該會衡量這些因素可是競爭力啊如果說他把這樣子投資他說的如果在美國市場可以排除在百分之百關稅的一個部分嘛會不會是在這樣的一個競爭力的條件之下而讓台積電有所轉移其實大家擔心的是這個狀況我的瞭解台積電輸美的比例非常低啦因為他大概在1%出頭而已啦那所以沒有那麼大的 |
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它大部分都出到了组装厂去所以主委你这个才是关键因为现在台积电是一个我们台湾的护国神山大家所担心的是说会不会因为这样的一个变动关税的调整而让台积电在经营的层面当中有所改变可是如果依照主委所说的其实它本身 |
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它鎖在這個區塊影響是很少的目前是這樣的對啊 目前嘛可是跟著半導體開徵百分之百關稅的這個部分會不會有所變動大家擔心的是這個目前影響很少可是未來因為川普對半導體開徵百分之百關稅之後 |
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然後在競爭力的條件會有沒有可能有轉移他現在因為他台積電其實有一個8吋廠在阿勒岡州加上先進製程所以他應該比他的競爭對手更佔優勢目前的狀態反而是他的優勢比較高 |
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所以我覺得主委我們應該不是在於三千億兩千億一千六百五十億而是你要把我們目前對於產業別的分析告訴民眾我覺得重點兩千億三千億一千六百五十億我覺得這是一個數字可是這個數字會影響人民的信心畢竟台積電是護國神山 |
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但是如果依照主委所说的依照目前台积电它的整个经营方式它其实在美国这个区块是竞争力跟各方面是影响比较少 |
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如果是這樣的話 那當然他就不會思考我要去投注三千億美元我要去投注多少的一個增加資本額的一個部分所以我覺得應該把這個我們在整個產業的一個投資狀況跟發展狀況還有分佈狀況跟民眾說清楚否則你糾結在這個數字 人民會搞不清楚 |
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好像說在這一波的一個關稅當中是不是連我們護國神山都要過去其實不是不是的對嘛 其實不是目前應該只有差不多6%對嘛 其實不是嘛所以如果6%跟大家腦袋裡面所想是不是哇 三千億美元多少美元過去那台灣怎麼辦所以是不是的 |
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我覺得我們要去講的是我們目前在針對產業當然投不投資是台積電本身他們在整個商業經營的一個範疇當中他們的思考可是我們政府是可以我們整個半導體發展的區塊我們來做分析目前就是6% |
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產能的部分這個產能講的是2029年的產能對 產能的部分但2029年不是現在現在它輸美的部分只有在1%上下那這個影響非常小的那未來產能擴大之後因為主要有一些組裝廠也會在墨西哥跟德州那大概是這樣的一個狀態所以目前就是一person目前 對那在整個 |
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所有的區塊做調整之後這個所謂未來的投資1650億美元增加之後我們所有看到的2029年可能影響到6%對 可是它這整個還很久因為2029年是第三場的量產2028年是四產 |
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所以依照主委所分析的基本上它的整个影响的程度其实没有我们想象的那么多那么大范围那么广因为它是全球布局的一个概念台积业还是一个企业它还是以企业经营为核心因为它还要对股东负责 |
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他的資金來源是從他的股東來的那他在股市上市公司他必須要很謹慎而且很負責的去面對所以主委我覺得你今天這個講法才能真正的讓台灣人民安心否則一直我們講的護國神山然後不斷的訊息來的是說他的投資在美國投資會增加是不是我們所有的主要的 |
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主要的部分都會往美國來移但並不是嘛對 它其實現在有八個廠要建設或是未建設在台灣那遠比美國多很多啦所以我覺得我們要把這個最關鍵的講出來然後主委我要再問一下 |
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這一波在美國關稅的部分其實對台南兩個部分影響最多就是蝴蝶蘭跟台灣貂這兩個是在我們所有的產業其實市占率台南是最多的所以在這個部分到底我們要怎麼做 |
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這個部分我們有一個短期因應方案由農業部主政提出來就是我們在我們編列的900多億來協助產業跟農業那這個是在我們短期協助的方向那中長期的部分當然我們還是會慢慢的去分散市場但短期的應急我們現在是用資金來協助業者度過當前的問題 |
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尤其今天早上行政院院長有提到一個叫投資台灣三大方案的2.0版 |
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他要引資1.2兆這個部分裡面有一個叫貸款額度要新增貸款額度來讓企業能夠增加他的一個投資量跟他的穩定性主委這個很重要每一次都是我們有方案但是銀行端的配合度並沒有那麼好所以如果我們真的要讓他百分之百達到效果銀行端的部分你們要去溝通好 |
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否則真正想用的用不到他們為了要讓你們看美化數字然後去拜託那個那個可能不需要貸款的人去貸然後真正需要貸的 貸不到我覺得這個部分是每次只要我們有這個投資方案我們得到基層的這些企業最大的反應所以我在這裡提醒一下我們的主委 |
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我們反映給那個經管會跟對這個部分你們既然要跨部會這個都跨部會你們跨部會在處理的時候這是很重要的謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝 |