| IVOD_ID |
163351 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163351 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-04T13:24:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-04T13:40:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b46859f6d2502d505b7ac6e0e4782f4e614178be66146618b23a4874ffcc87f575b8ca2af51068035ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:24:18 - 13:40:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、中華電信股份有限公司董事長、行政院災害防救辦公室、經濟部及台灣電力股份有限公司率所屬相關單位列席就「丹娜斯風災通訊中斷及復原過程與檢討及我國災後通訊搶救機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請行政院災害防救辦公室的王主任NCC的代理人 蘇發部的薛政次我先請教王主任 |
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今天你們很多官員進來備詢啊都說很多的問題都是因為這次的災害範圍太大嘛對不對就是因為災害範圍太大所以第一時間就要成立前進指揮所啊剛才在說的鳳台七月七日的暗示11點40秒為我故鄉嘉義布袋站起來這災情有多大啊台南郊嘉義一萬八千戶的房子 |
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屋頂被掀開了有些連那個牆壁都被摧垮了一萬八千戶耶電線桿將近四千 四千支三千多支 裡面有七支跟八支是在家裡我去看 那個不是摧倒耶是硬生生折斷耶那災情有多嚴重就前進指揮所到了22號才成立 |
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行政院發言人還可以在那邊硬拗我在兩三個禮拜前我就一直在講趕快成立前進指揮所因為每次我回去嘉義送物資去救災的時候就看到那個家裡殘破不堪那災民已經跟總統要求了我們防止爬不上去幫忙蓋這個環部國軍來幫忙電信不通啊人民是有請求的所以光是一個前進指揮所就看得出來這是 |
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我覺得政府現在真的是對不起民眾因為台灣是一個救災不管是經費方面在這個標準的作業程序上面是非常有經驗的光是一個前進指揮手你去看88風災的時候前進指揮手就在災區嘛那時候派下去的人是誰內政部長廖遼宇啊連美軍都來幫忙耶美軍來幫忙要到哪邊報到前進指揮手啊 |
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這次不是很多其他縣市都到台南的家一起幫忙嗎你中央部會中央機關連一個前進指揮所在災區都沒有耶這多離譜的天平颱風的時候也沒有設前進指揮所都有嘛結果行政院第一個你連以前的救災標準程序都不把它做 |
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你連災害有多嚴重不去了解這個以前什麼救災都搞不清楚後來出來硬要說我們是第一次成立22天7月7號的凌晨開始有災情到了22號過了15天慢半拍慢15拍你要敢充說以前沒有還說我有這不是笑死人怎麼對不起我們的災民這第一個我們今天要先導正了所以剛才在說這個要補破網 |
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主任你要回去你要建立 要跟行政院講清楚我們希望以後不要有天災可是以後要第一時間災區在哪邊中央的力量要進去嘛 為什麼要限前進指揮手各個部會才知道找人啊你像我在當街 我在議場他說房子被掀開了 通訊不通了我們不是幫忙打電話 你們最近都接到電話對不對 |
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透過立委或者是鄉鎮市還要去找部會 事情怎麼說會清楚你們是有人住在那邊 各個部會都在那裡你們是要主動去了解狀況 主動去解決問題嘛 好不好像委員報告 其實我們在中央災害應變中心雖然就是各部會的支援調度各縣市的相互支援的這個部分我們都是在 其實都有做相關的一個支援調度這就是人民現在生氣的地方 主委 |
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來 我們用一個最簡單的颱風進來了 到了第五天總統到台南去 對不對災民要求的三件事情 災民要求什麼災民為什麼要求 就這三件事情很嚴重沒有做好嘛第一個 我的屋頂被風吹走啦 |
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像我們在台北在其他縣市可能不能想像這個事情在南部就是很多三合院嘛那個屋頂真的就是封欸16級17級的封欸各位鄉親想說那個像房子整個都要被掀起來欸你知道嗎 類似那個龍捲風這樣子的欸連牆壁都吹倒了 |
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就跟總統求救啊 大家想像一下就表示你第五天的時候你該救的那個房子損害的大家想想 很可憐耶你家裡面如果一天沒有電沒有水屋頂被吹走 你有辦法住嗎到第五天還要跟總統求救總統冷冷的回答說那屋頂我們要自己爬隔幾天真的有一個台南的民眾真的爬上去跌下來過世了 這天災嗎 這人後吧 |
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所以你們現在怎麼敢有臉講說你們救災救得很快 或者救好呢我們現在捕破網嘛 我們要面對問題 想解決問題啊今天為什麼要開這個會第一個 屋頂的修繕 到現在嘉義跟台南有很多房子都沒修好你要去排隊 要排兩個月後才有料 才有工人這當然要國軍進去 也要工兵啊 有內政部的消防署的人員啊 |
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國土計畫署要把這個相關的這個土木機師那些人全部公辦派下去啊你不搶修今天已經快一個月了餒今天還來得及我現在跟你講災情還是現在進行是因為你屋頂跟房子不修好你一下雨最近這一兩個禮拜問題出在哪邊舊的傷沒有處理好下個大雨家裡就進水嘛現在就可憐了第一個我跟你講房子要修的這個問題第二個國金本來就要去幫忙嘛 |
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我相信歷年來大家回去看看每一次的這個風災地震 哪一次國軍沒有出現這一次國軍在7月7號救災晚之後7月8號就漢光演習現在人民在埋怨什麼救災如同作戰啊你在演習 救災跟演習兩個比較重要兩個都重要好不好那你把演習一部分變成是救災啊你在打仗的時候如果發生了天災你不用先救災嗎如果你要說是改變一個項目趕快去嘉義 趕快去台南救災 |
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現在災情會延續到現在嗎結果搞成什麼連林國成跟我 我們都要帶我們的小草民眾 老人民眾自己去救災去送物資那時候政府在哪裡國經在哪裡第三個就今天要討論了通信的問題通信這個事情是多嚴重的事 |
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那天啊總統去然後民眾就跟總統講說我這裡沒水沒電沒有網路我們一些比較年長的長輩或者年紀比較大的身體病痛也沒辦法聯絡通信要叫我們聯絡我們就沒網路要怎麼聯絡結果總統講了一個經典他去問問的問問的說郭國文可以郭國文是中華電信嘛 |
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我跟你說 我也是中華電信啊我第二天白天 我一個星期到有東西電話就打不通啊這裡面有兩個大問題啊第一個中華電信通 抬高大勒 延傳勒第二個老實講 連中華電信都沒有全部通啦如果那個時刻 當人民跟總統求救了你們請前提趕快去幫忙那是不是應該可以更快那結果是什麼 我跟大家講 |
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這個通信造成的傷害有多大台南有個民眾他一個婦人是被鐵門砸到通信不通你要打電話求救這個叫天天不停叫地地不一樣通信出不去所以你去幫忙一個多小時以後消防人員也快過來人就已經走了你說通信這嚴不嚴重 |
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第二個,通訊這次延誤到多久?在丹納斯風災的第24天,台南還有很多地方還是斷訊的今天是更直接問一個,現在馬上要處理了現在還有很多事話都沒通 |
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還有很多有線電視你知道嗎?嘉義跟台南現在很多人在外面有線電視已經快一個月不能看了主委你知道這個事情嗎?知道 嘉義大洋很嚴重 事件都會影響那一戶位啦市化也不通 那更嚴重有線電視很多時候一戶位都沒人看 |
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我們的速度這麼慢嗎?救災的速度為什麼慢?他們也積極在搶救 但是相對的一些工班 大概人力都吃緊但是很抱歉 他們雖然已經在投入 但是速度我們希望可以再改進今天是在補破 恭喜老蔣一直在講 老蔣是心都疼的啦 |
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我們本來如果照以前救災的標準作業程序SOP檢定指揮所趕快進去 災民跟你求救的時候所有的人力該進去幫忙修房子廢棄物要去清印的議帝到目前為止喔 自己的議帝垃圾還要兩個多月才清得掉 房子還要一直在清你清出來的 他說垃圾 兄弟說要考因為垃圾兩個月已經很慘了 他說每天垃圾沒有掃還在加 |
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那怎麼去解決 主任現在是要集中所有的力量嘛你前進指揮所已經進去了該動員所有的力量不只要防止修好垃圾該清的要趕快去清包括通信我知道大家很賣力啦這次老蔣我是非常肯定基本台電價值老公要撂不去沒錢沒錢可是老蔣你現在在檢討通信這一塊你怎麼會搞到一個已經快一個月通信還沒有弄好 |
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你們如果在打仗的時候碰到這事情怎麼辦你漸進的期間 你不是在講什麼任性的國防嗎我今天看你們的檢討報告NCC啊 都叫人家整個記錄起來 現在NCC在做什麼事情 |
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避免類似的事情再發生 第二個趕快怎麼加速去解決這個問題就是檢討部分其實我們已經在啟動就是未來的加強基台的韌性的部分就是包括公有建築物的提供場所然後相關的電纜如果是光纜部分能盡可能地下化然後另外基台本身的 |
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電力的部分的韌性要加強我們也跟相關部外來合作看未來能不能再提升它的一些蓄電的一些時間跟時間部分我先問蘇發部蘇發部你在去年的7月8號你發表一個重要的新聞所以你們要推動這個數位這個韌性對不對所以你在推動低軌的衛星通信 |
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他說你們在今年底就是鼓捏2024年的鼓捏就可以達到24小時的這個涵蓋包括說去年4月份花蓮發生這個7.2級強震的時候 |
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你們都有去救災啊那為什麼這次這個低軌衛星為什麼沒有發揮功能跟委員報告那個我們派出去的行動基地台車上面都是配備低軌衛星有三十台配備低軌衛星的車到災區的我知道我剛才聽你說嘛你說你補助一個十台三十台嘛對不對這邊派二百台已經都出來了嘛那顯然就是一定是兩個問題嘛一個量不夠所以你說要再增加嘛 |
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一個是功能有問題嗎我先問個最簡單的問最簡單的你如果產生兩岸的緊張你就打起來了或者一個天災再來人民怎麼相信數位部數位發展不是很努力的去把這個事情做好你現在該做什麼事情質跟量 |
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值跟量 量因為30台我已經派了28台那的確量28台是沒辦法補1256台的所以這個部分的確我們目前的量是不夠的所以現在你說每個業者在多補助 |
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我們下半年會再多補助從現有的預算這還不包含救災預算從現有預算再補助再多擠出每個業者三台多九台然後我們會把剩下的行動基地台車先把他的衛星支架裝好因為衛星支架裝上去也是需要價錢那個低軌衛星我還看到一個重要新聞台哥大台哥大他們有宣布啊他們說他們已經成功運用現有的手機就不用經過基地台 |
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他是經過限流手機直接接低軌的衛星進行這個簡訊的發送跟影音的通知已經成功驗證了太空基地台這個技術你們跟他們聯絡嗎那個是他有跟我們申請的實驗計畫 |
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現在沒辦法推展是吧那個目前是實驗他還沒有申請商轉的執照那因為這個跟太空職業通訊在6G的規格裡面是有那包含我們高空氣球計畫都是針對6G的時候在做這個準備如果可以透過手機就盡快啦加速去推動我最後要做三個呼籲跟建議因為主席國城已經站起來了第一個NCC |
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NCC是兩個禮拜內請你完成盤點中華電信、台哥大、遠傳三家電信業者的行動基地台的數量這裡應該你手上就有對不對對第二個更重要的SOP要做出來完成天災任何天災發生的時候這些電信業者他的行動基地行動基地台這個台車啊包括他有衛星設備的這個他怎麼去投入災區的協助他有多少數量地點優先順序要先規劃出來好不好 |
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好 你當然颱風來或天災來每個地方會不一樣可是你之前一定是有先應應過嘛對不對 也命過這個東西要很清楚的要出來這樣才能夠第一時間派遣到災區去協助解決問題另外在一個月內一個月內針對最近幾次天災對電信信號影響 |
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方式範圍跟程度跟各家電競業者影響這個請你趕快制定一個相關的計畫好不好提出來怎麼去解決不要避免這個通信的這個孤島另外兩個月內兩個月內這個很重要你們已經有應變或者暫時應用的新科技這個數位這個對不對 |
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盡快把它完成好不好社會發展部跟NCC趕快來做這件事情非常謝謝不要再發生天災可是不要再發生這一次啊慢半拍這個救災要不然的話天災就被人禍了謝謝這段時間大家的努力不過速度要加快一點我拜託講 最好拜託講 |
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嘉義跟台南現在災情還是現在進行是因為舊的傷沒有癒合隨時又再下雨拜託 舊災速度要更快特別是房屋的修繕廢棄物跟垃圾的這個清運好不好通信要趕快是要完整的好不好國軍該有的人力所有各部位該有人力趕快下去拜託 謝謝 德祥好 謝謝張其楷委員 |