| IVOD_ID |
163346 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163346 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-04T12:31:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-04T12:43:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b46859f6d2502d503fabf0aee9faf619614178be66146618b23a4874ffcc87f59aab6c45daf424f65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:31:32 - 12:43:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、中華電信股份有限公司董事長、行政院災害防救辦公室、經濟部及台灣電力股份有限公司率所屬相關單位列席就「丹娜斯風災通訊中斷及復原過程與檢討及我國災後通訊搶救機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席我們先請這個速發部的這個好 速發部切正事好好 遲早 |
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大家都很關心有關於台灣這個通信、任信的問題那其實在這次風災,不論是丹納斯風災或是說這次的南部的豪大雨其實都受到嚴格的一個挑戰那這個是當然在7月22號的報導丹納斯颱風過了之後的災後的16天那仍然在這個七股、布袋、台南還有嘉義這些地區還有地方成為這個通訊的孤島 |
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那這個NCC那邊也說過說 那這個基地台已經有修復了但是災區為何還有通訊的問題 他還要去了解那我相信這是災後第16天 那我們看一下按照你們這個今天給的這個數據 到7月31號通訊設備還有設備的這個修復的情況 |
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那我請問一下 除了速發部還有這個NCC代理主委 回答一下那這個是到7月31號 不論是試劃 寬頻 MOD 行動基地台 電信桿等等那何時能夠完全修復咧 |
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委員報告這塊涉及到業者的修復能量因為近期業者也有持續在努力近期因為部分有水災所以有些出動的工班人力當地區恐怕受到一點影響那以中華電信的話他們市化部分他們是預計大概在8月15左右可以大部分的完成那其他的電信業者勒 |
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其他電線主要是以行動行動的部分其實是恢復目前大概恢復到90%以上的涵蓋那涵蓋不足災前部分會用旁邊的天線調整角度跟行動車來去彌補所以行動部分其實比過往部分要容易來修復市化跟寬頻是可以在8月15號以這個目標來領略 |
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這個齁已經災後到現在那大概如果到8月15號已經接近快一個半月了所以你就知道說萬一啦齁這個還沒有到這一個所謂的這個戰爭的考驗但是光是風災的給我們的考驗就讓我們大家想說這個未來未來如果說這一個不論是這一個這些風災 |
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甚至地震造成這些影響對我們這個通信設備通信的韌性的確會造成很大的影響我接下來就請一下次長因為其實我看這個速發部一直有在強調這一個通訊網路的這個韌性那也一直提到說我們有所謂的這一個低軌的衛星中軌的衛星然後你們在去年的九月的時候也在你們的這一個粉絲團有講說這個現在全台都可以收到速發部所推動的非同步軌道衛星 |
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所以如果在這個重大災難的時候呢這個全台除了這個包含離島都可以順暢的使用通訊還有這個線上會議的應用的服務但是很明顯這一次的這個風災裡面這整個整個破供啦 |
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這到底是哪裡是造成這個原因這個是你們去年跟我們大家講的萬一你遇到風災了你遇到這些情況了因為我們有低軌衛星因為我們有中軌衛星那所以我們通訊不會受到影響跟我們報告就是說這一次去參與救災的五十幾台這個行動經濟台裡面有三十台是配備低軌衛星只有三十台現在全台灣只有三十台配備這個低軌衛星的這個接收器嗎 |
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配備接收器的行動通訊車只有30台這很明顯不夠啊那你們有想到說會造成這種情況嗎 |
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跟我們報告就是說去年地震的時候我只有一台那地震的時候的檢討是花蓮那個地震那花蓮那個是局部的那我們就檢討說那時候只有一台但是我必須8個小時才能夠從高雄把車開過去所以我們才建了30台就是在全台灣根據災害應變中心的分區每一區有幾台那30台顯見也不夠嘛 |
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對 這個只能針對點就是說你任何的行動通訊車它能夠處理的範圍都是點因為行動通訊車的天線高度不夠按照這次的風災的情況來講30台明顯不夠那你認為大概要幾台才能夠確保這次的通訊不中斷我們過去是有規劃一份五年要增加到2500個Terminal的計畫長程的計畫是這樣規劃2500個什麼的計畫2500個接收器接收器 那車子咧 |
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車子沒有規劃在裡面那你有接收器沒有車子那目前我們在下一期的前瞻計畫每一家業者會再增加3台車子然後我會把原來的原來90幾台車子會補助他先把衛星的支架還有衛星的相關設備先裝好那所以今年年底你可以預計可以增加到幾台呢今年年底車子會增加9台然後改裝好的車子會增加大概30台 |
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31台所以加起來我們才80幾台我問你80幾台的話如果這次的風災我們有80幾台的話確保它通訊不中斷嗎不可能那所以沒有用嗎 |
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那你認為要幾台我們先不要管預算你認為要幾台我要講的就是說車子不可能去補過往當然啊衛星也不可能去補過往但是就是說在你需要它的時候因為你過往你需要多一點時間嘛但是這種行動車的話就比較及時也比較快速那哪邊通訊有問題就可以馬上補上去嘛是 |
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對但是面對這種大規模的1260幾台的故障其實應該去找根因那我們找出來的根因就是電力佔40%光纖網路佔50%所以我們馬上調整前瞻計畫就是針對發電機然後還有這些你買發電機也沒有用啊 |
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我感覺是每一台車子配發電機嗎不是車子配發電機是發電機要行動發電機要讓這些固定的基地來使用因為我們去分析發現有40%的基站他有網站他有網路但是他沒有電那這時候如果你可以給他小型的發電機他可以多撐多久 |
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發電機如果有兩台的話可以輪流開因為那種緊急的發電機都不能持續的一直開所以當你有兩台的時候你輪流開就可以那有油料的時候它就可以撐下去但是這又會牽涉到一個問題就如果那個地方淹水你油送不進去或發電機送不進去就會有問題那你怎麼去解決呢那這個演練都沒有問題我看你們這個去年有演練今年有演練演練都沒有什麼問題但是遇到風災整個就破功啦我們 |
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的確就是說我們原來的準備是針對點那現在面對的是屬於大規模的你可能雲林嘉義台南都可能有那未來可能規模有可能在擴大 |
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對委員說得非常有道理所以我們其實像上禮拜天我在災害應變中心晚上就是跟內政部劉部長在討論有哪些事情還可以繼續做那很多後續的政策的轉向都是在災害應變中心大家在那邊顧的時候至少這次就很明顯了你就是說發電機的問題 |
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過往的問題然後我們行動這個衛星行動車不足的問題這些都是問題這個一次風災出來之後就出現這麼問題主席抱歉我再問最後一個問題剛剛有很多委員問到這個這個網路漫遊的問題那 |
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漫遊我看你們這個去年的報告有講到嗎你們說這個漫遊吼也有這個有可以跨越者的漫遊啊也可以災難的漫遊啊還可以一直往路的漫遊啊等等那我問一下這一次這次的風災有哪一項有哪一項有做到了 |
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跟委員報告剛剛委員提到的漫遊是蘇衛部就那個就是特殊時期比方說戰爭時期或者緊急這次風災也是一樣啊那過往的漫遊國內漫遊過往在電信法時期是不許可的那現在的電信管理法有接接災防法是有個空間處理那但是國內沒有沒有這個跨越者漫遊在去年的報告蘇發布報告我就看到了那是POC是概念認證 |
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概念認證 那所以咧是什麼意思是技術可行 本來就是技術可行然後真正緊急命令後怎麼樣發布時期本來就可以switch過去 那是沒有問題的那現在是平成時期那所以現在呢 現在正式封災是因為法令的問題沒辦法去使用嗎 |
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應該說是過往完全沒有使用過的經驗電信法實際是不許可的那現在有空間電信法不許可那但是技術上許可那現在是誰的問題是電信法的問題要修電信法嗎電信管理法已經有空間了我們明天會開會來爬樹釐青做相關部位像內政部或數位部可以怎麼來協力那這樣也 |
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我覺得有點可笑啦就是說技術上可行那我看速發部上面有寫說那災難發生的時候我們一個可以用這個跨越層漫遊你今天中華電信的不行我可以用遠程我可以用這個台灣大哥大結果你現在跟我講說電信法 不行對 蘇衛部那是指說特殊時期假設今天在風災就算是特殊時期啦過往因為就是極端氣候以往沒有預期說會發生這麼大規模以往是點的話大概一般行動機機台開過去都OK了好 那所以現在你們要做什麼樣的法令的修改 |
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目前還暫時 等到明天開完會確定確定是哪些東西要補強 那明天開完會才能夠比較清楚那如果萬一啦 下次再發生這種大規模的風災的話跨越者漫遊或戰略漫遊可不可以用我們就是希望建立這個SOP 未來可以用你們 我看你們去年的 |
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去年的這個報告裡面就有提到說要建立SOP了啊就去年年底要建立SOP了啊那個都是特殊時期暫停期那個都已經建立好了那風災不算風災因為大規模的風災這個過往是比較沒有這種情況這個會造成民怨我老實講這會造成民怨這個風災更容易比你所謂講那個戰爭的時期更容易遇到啊那結果我們竟然沒有這個SOP對所以我們要建立 |
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那所以何時呢?明天開會完成就知道了嗎?明天開完會之後我們會盡快的來處理啦最後我再問一下次長,你們這次這一個業務費有關這一個獎補助費被剩減掉這一個8.2億,對這一次的這個風災有沒有什麼受到影響? |
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跟委員報告就是當然因為整體的計畫進度都會落後比如說剛剛講的低軌衛星的接收器那今年我沒有任何預算可以增加所以我用的就是去年拿到的這700多個那我們手上只有190幾個那為什麼我只剩190幾個因為我付不起這個通訊費所以內政部拿去的跟國防部拿去的要請他自己付 |
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所以今年呢今年就沒有增加新的接收器就對了沒有 今年沒有增加新的接收器那這樣怎麼辦 被砍掉的8.2億怎麼辦你們啊 你們這個書面資料給那個昆城委員造成什麼樣的影響 你要跟大家講啊好不好 因為預算這樣 被篡選這樣造成什麼樣的影響要跟大家講啊 好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝主席 |