| IVOD_ID |
163345 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163345 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-04T12:21:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-04T12:31:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b46859f6d2502d501ae1c333a8bc7d3a614178be66146618b23a4874ffcc87f5dff46f77a105961a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:21:41 - 12:31:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、中華電信股份有限公司董事長、行政院災害防救辦公室、經濟部及台灣電力股份有限公司率所屬相關單位列席就「丹娜斯風災通訊中斷及復原過程與檢討及我國災後通訊搶救機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 主席先請肅發部缺次長好 肅發部缺政次 |
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好 次長好本席在5月28日的時候有向NCC質詢過5G支費過高的問題當時NCC的陳代理主委主委他表示補助業者建置5G的基地台是速發部的責任所以今天要藉著這個機會向次長釐清一些問題先請部長簡單的說明一下有關速發部的5G業務有哪一些速發部的5G業務主要的作業 |
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112年到113年呢那我們已經持續補助電信業者建了15622台5G基地台 |
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那一二年到一一三年呢這總的金額大概是六十七億那接下來也會針對這一個機場港口火車站大眾交通樞紐及人口密集處加速進行那再請教市長一個更基本的問題那請問現在電信業者協調5G支費是組織的單位是在哪裡是速發部還是NCC5G的支費是NCC那主席有請NCC陳代理主委那個陳代理主委 |
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跟委員報告現在自費部分因為現在已經進入已經是相對的相當於這個完全競爭所以這邊大概零售價我們目前是基本上是沒有在管中間價格我們在討論自費之前那我先要講的是一個預算高達200多億的計畫因為部會交接所以現在權責不清不楚的我們先來看到2021年1月1號的時候NCC開始推動5G |
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補助5G網路建設的計畫那我們看到當時的主管機關就是NCC那請問主委你們當時編列的預算是多少因為就是整個前章後來是後來會分家是因為數位不成立之後那當時編列了多少預算編列了多少我印象中好像是蠻高的當年度是第一期是154億 |
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那到了2022年8月27號 速發部正式成立後NCC就把這個業務移交到速發部嘛那請教薛次長 您知道速發部接手之後這個案子你們編列了多少預算嗎我們前瞻第四期是67億4400萬然後第五期就是今年下半年是26億3250萬 |
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那本席看到這邊是93.8億那主委我上次有請教過您5G基地台建設的問題你說是數巴布他是業務主管嘛那我們看到這個計畫的預算整個計畫的經費是218.7億那其中NCC編列了154億那佔了整體的62%那這代表什麼 |
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是當年推114年後來我們執行完畢那後續因為組織改制蔣輔助的權責落在速發部所以後續的第四期第五期的前瞻計畫都有數二部在執行那這個計畫最一剛開始最主要的執行者是在哪一個單位NCC所以就是你們NCC啊那你怎麼把自己當取外人那時候推給速發部以時間來看的話現在權責不在NCC這邊 |
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現在不在NCC那2021年到現在政府已經砸了248億了那補助電信業者覆蓋5G的基地台那現在民眾最有感的不是訊號變強速度變快而是5G的支費怎麼那麼貴那我們看到NCC的統計第一季的行動通訊市場的資料那全國5G的用戶有1062萬戶那4G用戶有1817萬戶 |
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那推的5G到現在已經整整5年了兩者的差距高達755萬戶那這個補助業者的5G基地來的計畫花了248億那200多億砸下來結果民眾還是用4G那這個成績NCC跟速發部你們滿意嗎 |
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這邊是商業市場但是因為5G的目前最大的缺乏就是它的關鍵的應用所謂的Killer Application這一塊目前全球目前都比較在用戶端的Killer Application目前相對比較沒有出現所以這邊它跟4G並存的時間會拖比較久會拖比較久 |
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那剛剛您應該也有聽到蔡議員委員提到目前在災區4G的訊號跟5G的訊號5G的訊號大概是兩格那我們也希望5G可以普及化那現在主委您知道現在5G不限速吃到飽是多少錢嗎一般就是這邊講的一千多塊1399嗎 剛才蔡議員說1399跟599他們訊號的差別在哪裡那三大電信的4G吃到飽呢大概都499 599左右 |
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是99599那也就是說這個他價差幾乎是兩倍那本席認為5G他不限速吃到飽的費率過高也是消費者他觀望的原因之一那你們花了248億然後再補助電信業者 |
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至這個5G的基地台那結果費率一樣那麼貴那用戶也沒有增加那使用5G的民眾他們對5G的評價也不是很好那我相信這也是很多4G的用戶他們不轉5G的原因那到今天為止主委跟次長那這個200多月預算不如預期你們有沒有要檢討 |
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這個我們持續都有在關注這個議題那也請業者自發性的看看有沒有提出一個5G的應用目前業者在土壁那一端大概推出有很多契約端的契約端土壁的一些方案來處理那土稀的部分大概就是要看是比較全球性的全球性的一些 |
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比較關鍵是能夠滲透率比較高的應用目前大概還在全球都還在等待這個比較特殊比較好的方案來出現但是業者端來促進這些結合AI的應用那些業者 商家業者都有很積極在努力所以主委您是說就是NCC是目前主則費率是在NCC沒有錯吧 |
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這一個管制是在NCC沒錯所以你們不去跟業者做溝通嗎有都有溝通那上一次溝通是什麼時候其實我們其實在五月的時候有向您提問過嘛也跟你討論過資費過高的問題那你們之後有去跟業者討論嗎其實我們會有個X值計畫那些大概每年都會找業者來開會討論因為但是四年一次訂然後都會公共式檢討大概都會中間價格那一部分的我們都有跟業者大概 |
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我跟您確認,你說四年檢討一次嗎?那X值是四年檢討一次但是其他的...所以最近一次檢討是在什麼時候?大概應該是兩年前已經是兩年前了在今年五月的時候向您提出,那目前業者的說法是什麼?目前就是因為我們那個時期是會有聯動這個物價指數所以那一塊其實是有滾動式在處理的 |
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上一次滾動式 你們滾動式檢討那最近一次是在什麼時候我們SGB公告還是一樣在兩年前嗎公告是應該是兩年前但是持續的一些價格調所以你根本就沒有去找業者做溝通嘛 |
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因為我們還有界定市場業者給你們的說法是什麼三大電信業者目前5G的使用戶數然後還有費率的問題這個問題包括我剛剛講說5G的部分他們會持續在推他的應用那 |
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支費的部分大概從4G、3G以後大概都是跟全世界接軌都是管中間價格零售價格大概我們都是讓業者來商業自由競爭 |
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主委知道您這樣說下來那5G的普及跟實現智慧生活只是空話嗎因為你們是主責單位啊沒有其實就是當初在業者開台的時候我們有行政指導他們說要能夠加惠消費者那在合併案的時候那兩家也有提出一些相對應的一些優惠方案 |
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但是我們認為說市場沒有失靈的情況之下他會充分進展化業者大概都會提出一個吸引客戶的一些方案那1399是所謂的排告價其實有很多是他們有些綁約長期大客戶等等都會那實際的價格其實是有空間在處理那你覺得下一次檢討的時候是什麼時候下一次 |
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因為是 若是X值的話是四年一次若是兩年前 那下一次就是屆滿前一年就會討論其實明年 今年就會再討論OK好 那最後這一次丹大師的風災嘛造成台南還有嘉義的災情嚴重那不只是災區那本席也要向抒發部還有向NCC這邊提出那不只是災區那桃園的復興山區最近也有很多民眾反映訊號不佳再請抒發部還有NCC來做瞭解 |
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好 我們會請業者來加速改進OK 好 謝謝主委謝謝委員 |