| IVOD_ID |
163344 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163344 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-04T12:08:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-04T12:21:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b46859f6d2502d500915602ab93c0751614178be66146618b23a4874ffcc87f59b03abd11ba7a7725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林國成 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:08:59 - 12:21:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、中華電信股份有限公司董事長、行政院災害防救辦公室、經濟部及台灣電力股份有限公司率所屬相關單位列席就「丹娜斯風災通訊中斷及復原過程與檢討及我國災後通訊搶救機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席請NCC陳主委請NCC陳主委貴布蔡政次蔡政次還有我們新政院我們那個那個救災我們王主任王主任中華電信簡董事長台電徐副總台電徐副總徐副總 |
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那個各位所長啦 我想救災啊說實在的是仰邊千日用在意識天災的問題說實在無法之抵抗但是問題出來就是要解決救災啊如同救命所以生命啊為重就不要像說實在的賴總統過去在當 |
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台南有震災的時候他非常認真我上電視我都稱讚他可是這次當總統以後他的救災這個基本精神我是對他有意見的 |
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第一個金人不能進去什麼民房啦還有你自己爬啦還有一些說實話某些人電話可以通難道他這麼這麼外行嗎所以我是覺得這樣啦我是覺得這樣救災是大家基本上一定要做的事人民受苦受難天災他都無法抵抗 |
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可是天災也不是你們叫他這樣做所以責怪誰都不公平但是我剛剛為什麼要倚重心長的要跟兩位所長建議說實在 預算無關啊 |
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斷信是事實要怎麼樣來彌補我們的缺失我相信大家都不願意看到這樣啊可是我們就是未以籌謀如何改進這是非常重要的所以我的主題也是很簡單我們也知道 |
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不管是台電不管是中華電信不管是NCC或者我們數位部大家都很辛苦啊可是在這個部分我要跟王主任特別特別建議行政院有這個組織其實你們就是一定要橫向聯繫要來統籌當然我們有派陳那個 |
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曾經的主委啊去做橫向聯繫但是說實在的這麼大的天災說實在有時候行政院長要出面有時候你們辦公室要去做橫向聯繫好那我特別啊就災後現在斷信的問題我剛剛也聽了 |
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我們所有立法院的同仁啊大家都非常關心所以這個斷信是一個事實可是未來面對極端氣候這些斷信不是只有這一次喔所以現在沒有怪誰的問題 |
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未來如何去面對這是很重要啊也是立法委員所啟齊的也是我們每一個政務官各部會都一定要去面對啊所以我還是希望啊當然在這個部分來下一張我們看啦像這些東西我們也沒有在指責台電我們也沒有在指責任何啊可以看得出來這都是危險動作搶救一定要建立SOP |
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不管數位部 不管是NCC你們的SOP到底是什麼呀 |
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當然救災有一定的規則有一定的規定但是SOP真的要去建立極端氣候之下不是只有這一次未來會更嚴重所以這個部分我還是要亡羊補牢 啟席各單位要提出這個SOP的建立這次的缺點是下一次的優點這才是真正的啊好 下一張 |
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有沒有可能跟主委跟數位部來研究啦因為當然我們現在除了我們前瞻計畫有在補助這些衛星車的公有化這是很重要的 |
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不是只有補助 那這個衛星公有化一定要去推 為什麼一定要去推衛星就遇到困難 斷信的時候 一定要去支援那我相信我們不管是嘉義啊 雲林啊 或者台南等等這些立法委員當然都有在協調這些可是如果你沒有公有化的時候 |
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那確確實實在這個部分是我們中華電信沒有問題但是其他民營的這些電信公司他的配額度 |
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不積極或者他的配合度不高的時候就會產生這些衛星車衛星車會凌亂無法去調試所以如果衛星車如果公有化的時候這是對我們這些斷信是有所幫助所以我本席提供這些給數位部給NCC來做參考來下一張 |
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這個斷信我們今天委員也談了很多就那個漫遊說實在你想一想到他到國外就有辦法去借這種別的基地台他都有辦法漫遊可是我聽起來今天就是技術沒有問題 |
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但是認證是有問題可是主委陳主委你也不是說故意不認證過去沒有這個事可是現在法規確實是有不足的地方那這些東西我本席比較建議的就是 |
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今天是災害是法令要先擺在後面因為救災救命是最重要所以這個部分我還要建議我們陳主委啊也就是這個部分要突破法令的障礙盡快在危急的時候使用對這個案子比較有利因為我聽起來簡董事長已經講得很清楚 |
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這些是沒有問題那這一次電信公司也是中華電信那中華電信你也知道民營都是跟我們租台嘛租往整個線路嘛所以在這個部分應該在救災的時候要發揮很大的功能也就是所有的東西要 |
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統一來做這個動作所以我要拜託我們陳楚維在這個部分漫遊的部分儘快因為你明天要開會嘛所以要把這些法令不足 |
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用其他去把它解決掉所謂的其他修華未做但是有其他特殊情況你們就可以去做這樣的問題不是錢的問題技術也沒有問題當然法規有問題這個漫遊可以解決 |
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這些救命的幾分鐘我是覺得這個部分還是要建議我們主委在這個部分主委你說明天要開會你是抱著什麼態度給你一個時間 |
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我是抱持著為建立一套未來要適用的一個SOP跟長治久安的一個通案的機制那包括因為這個在電信管理法或者在網法這一塊的空間這一塊的機制過往完全沒有處理沒有操作過所以明天要找內政部跟數位部來一起來討論 |
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主委你雖然是代理啦但是這段時間我還是較為認為你是比較稱職你是沒有顏色之分只是對NCC業務對跟錯這樣來執行所以這個部分我還是要特別 |
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請主委你要把你的NCC獨立主委的這些精神去把它統合起來去把它做好認證的問題我相信不是問題應該是不是問題所以這個部分陳主委我還是要勉勵你不要在那邊推沒有意思因為未來一定會面對來最後一個我還是還是要建議也就是我們基地台的問題 |
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這個檢董有很多技術性的問題你要提供給主管機關包括數位部包括我們陳主委這裡也就是基地台要有公有建的基地台的概念 |
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不要中華電信自己設計因為中華電信本來你們是有衛星啊當然賴總統講的郭國文可以接得到啊但是其他人沒有辦法接得到啊因為其他民營他是以商業行為為主能夠不投資他就不投資可是我們中華電信不一樣啊所以有沒有可能基地台也有一種共有共有的這種概念 |
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如果是這樣的話對於整個收信是有幫助的啊是有幫助 所以這一點我還要特別建議還有一點可能提供給三個單位做一個參考第一個從我們的這些設計的覆蓋率也就是越來越少越來越少 下一張越來越少申請案件 |
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人家有些是客戶啊 這些品質很重要啊所以你們應該要每一年設計越來越多啊可是你看喔 每一年從107年這麼多 到去年兩年欸 設置越來越少 那就很奇怪啦 |
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那為什麼品質會越來越差呢所以為什麼山上他接不到民間機構民間電信他接不到只有中華電信可以接得到所以這個部分我還是要建議為什麼會暴跌所以我還是希望我們三個單位要注意這些因為最後我還是要勉勵這個天災人命非常重要 |
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沒有那個斷信 確確實實沒水沒電 然後沒有信息這是很痛苦的未來我們三基在整個台灣裡面三天都沒有電 三天都沒有陰性就如同孤島是非常可怕的所以我還是希望陳主委還有我們這個切正智你們不要以為你們兩個單位 |
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沒有什麼事你們兩個單位非常重要因為整個三基整個通信的部分都是你們兩個單位在負責所以我還是希望兩個單位要特別積極一下中華電信是我們台灣通信主要的一個這個我們民間國營投資的東西所以我要拜託這個事情刻不容緩盡快找出一個未來未以籌謀的問題 |
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好不好 三位可以嗎可以 我要繼續努力好 謝謝謝謝委員執效 |