| IVOD_ID |
163338 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163338 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-04T10:37:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-04T10:52:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b46859f6d2502d50b84a03fd18a969c8614178be66146618360071112dbfb7f31a8b0863b4c8fed05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:37:08 - 10:52:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、中華電信股份有限公司董事長、行政院災害防救辦公室、經濟部及台灣電力股份有限公司率所屬相關單位列席就「丹娜斯風災通訊中斷及復原過程與檢討及我國災後通訊搶救機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請NCC代理主委好 NCC陳主委代理主委好 主要還是丹納斯風災到現在快一個月那到目前很多委員都關心那我想確認一下說三家的電信系統業者的基地台受損跟修復的狀況目前恢復的比例到多少 |
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以涵蓋來看的話大概都恢復到債權的90%以上90%以上 對但是是什麼時間點因為已經一個月的時間了而且陸陸續續都有好大雨的產生嘛 |
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對 大概是第二週以後就是海澱復電以後大概很快就恢復然後好雨的話又造成部分的一些災損但在這一次的過程裡面大家外界一直質疑是說NCC的速度我們的督促的速度以及說大家掌握通訊的速度甚至在第一個禮拜其實總統就已經有下鄉勘猜啦 |
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第一個禮拜總統就已經有跟我們這個民進黨籍的委員到台南去做勘栽那那個時候其實大家都一直有反應通訊還沒有恢復完全我想知道說NCC到底什麼時間點才找三大電信業者來溝通 |
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跟委員報告其實我們在颱風發布海警的時候大概就已經我們的進駐災防中心業者也要設立一些應變小組所以那時候其實都有在協助在互動其實同步都要掌握我們的數據大概都跟業者來同步處理所以應該是說發布海警之後就已經在掌握了 |
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主委那請教一下NCC因為對外我們一個官方的主要機關的新聞稿或處置的作為方式NCC什麼時候才發布第一則颱風過後第一則正式的新聞稿我印象中好像是七月十幾號 |
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你在官網上面是7月10幾號嗎要不要再確認一下我只要有個21號7月21號嘛對你的最新公告看NCC的官網只有7月21號所謂的最新消息而且今天的最新消息本席剛剛稍微對了一下跟今天的專案報告的內容NCC的內容幾乎大同小異啊 |
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你7月21號才寫出來的一個最新消息那跟今天提出來的一個數字其實也是一樣就是複製貼上跟你們報告剛才陳律師我剛才講的第二週復原之後大概都是復原的數字大概到90%都已經飽和階段後續都是比較緩慢的如果說真的飽和啦不然說實在話啦 |
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本席剛剛一直聆聽我們很多中南部的委員的發言真的飽和的話今天中南部的委員不會那麼生氣而且那麼的要求NCC做後續的處理這一次讓外界看到就覺得是說NCC身為中央主管機關尤其是三大電信業者你應該要掌握如果說連一個中度颱風 |
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來到了台灣就可以把我們的所有的這個資訊通訊全部都給摧毀兩個禮拜之後才看到主管機關來發布一個新聞稿 |
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那這樣子的一個動作跟這樣的速度是讓國人沒有辦法期待其實我們跟海警知道我們是每個小時都有掌握最新的進度那這樣期間是因為業者有鼓勵 都請業者先去救災所以這一部分的新聞稿會比較晚主委很實在啊如果說陳如文剛剛講的那這樣的話就不會有災民還在總統到現場的時候去告獄狀 |
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跟總統講說沒有通訊然後讓總統還要回覆說郭國文委員的手機可以啊如果說真的如同您剛所講的話那就不會有民進黨的委員開記者會講說電信業者責任在哪裡政府機關的監督機制在哪裡甚至綠委媒體報導都說綠委都憑這是零分的救災啊 |
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就是因為我們第一周都是主要的市電都是台電那邊還沒恢復所以造成所以你現在是要推給台電所以現在主要責任是在台電客觀而言其實是扮演很大的角色因為另外兩家的基台很多都是在民間房子那邊蓋的它的電源是靠台電的 |
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還有另外一個就是電線桿倒掉之後它的後傳網路光先是掛在電力桿上電力桿倒掉兩千多根如果加上雲嘉南是三千多根那一塊的也要等力桿恢復之後才能夠比較完整的一些恢復所以其實 主委我覺得剛剛非常遺憾今天到我們交通委員會的專案報告都還在互推皮球主委 那我再請教一下 |
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上禮拜你們有提到是說台灣大跟遠傳下週三前可以啟動漫遊服務是不是這是我們要啟動這個協調機制因為在電信法實際是禁止漫遊的電信管理法有個借接災防法的所以我現在確認一下是說到底下週三前能不能啟動漫遊機制漫遊服務 |
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如果從技術的話是可以但是會有些細節要討論我剛剛大概有跟所以已經過了快一個月的風災來了然後你上禮拜給我們看到媒體報導直接下標豪雨重創中南部通訊NCC說台灣大遠傳下週三前啟動漫遊服務 |
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就你現在告訴我們是說還要再討論還要再協商基本上想要問的是有沒有一個SOP就未來因應什麼樣的情況我們可以啟動漫遊機制而不用像現在一樣一個月過去了還在那邊召集協商討論細節如果說第一次發生天災而沒有辦法及時跟上那是天災的問題但我們沒有辦法利用這一次的天災而記取教訓來訂立下次的SOP那以後就是人禍 |
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所以到底所謂的台灣大跟遠傳下週三前啟動漫遊服務這是確定的還是研議中研議中 |
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什麼時候可以研議好等到颱風過後水退了 通訊恢復了這件事情船過水無痕不是 這個機制是是個turn on的可以為未來來適用我期待啊我期待就是要訂立一個SOP這個是本席本來提出這個問題啊但是我現在聽到的是連研議中都還在討論已經過了快一個月的時間了今天來到交通委員會 |
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結果你準備的這個回答還是這個樣子因為新人是以救災為主那當時的是以行動車 電機台來處理不要再勤勒了好不好 |
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我們每一個人都關心救災每一個人都關心災情這一次北部的災情相對比較減弱但我們看到南部的災情我們一樣感到痛心但不是所有回答今天準備不足 準備不夠甚至現在還在研議中就一句話說我們都關心救災就可以把它推掉嗎該是誰的責任就是誰的責任 |
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不是每一次都是來情熱我覺得民進黨政府現在最大的問題就是所有事情只要面對到你沒有辦法回答的時候就用情熱國防就說我們關心國防啊所以你只要問多問一點就是國安探索國安機密然後你只要預算不過就是你不關心災區 |
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現在一個月了今天跟你講是說我都很客氣的講因為我剛看了這一份報告就跟7月21號你們的新聞稿就是幾乎一樣 |
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甚至你新聞稿上面我都不好意思講你新聞稿上面寫是說你們出動53台的基地台基地行動車結果現在最高峰那你今天報告寫什麼43台你連這個數字你都對不上沒有那是最高峰時期曾經出動那後來因為那你今天的這個 |
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我都不好意思吐槽你你今天的報告就是單日最高43台對那是高峰時期那你的新聞稿你的7月21號新聞稿上面寫53台那是連時站台的數目字不一樣連這個都可以凹就對了沒有主委是 |
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新聞稿的內容跟今天的報告今天的報告已經比新聞稿7月21晚了兩個禮拜出來照理講今天的報告會比新聞台 7月21號新聞稿更加的嚴謹但我講數字的部分以及這裡面80% 90%都是複製貼上 |
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我們要看的不是今天你只是來鎮定宣導我們要看到是你到底怎麼樣因應這次7月6號這個風災之後然後來給未來更多中南部以及我們全台灣可能各地都有發生這樣通訊的狀況 |
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NCC有提出比較超前的方向未來可能因應到這種狀況基地台有沒有辦法運作或者甚至你講就是說電感如果說真的因為這樣子倒塌而我們怎麼樣有一個SOP當倒塌幾根或是範圍涵蓋多少或者是有多少人受影響的時候三大業者可以啟動漫遊服務這是一個SOP這是一個客專數字 |
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這樣子就不用說未來在因為一開始的時候媒體沒有報導或是一開始的時候大家只想著說怎麼樣下去擺拍我們看到照片誰卡誰的頭誰卡誰的臉不是啊 災民的生活才是真真正正最需要的啊那只有你今天告訴我們說都還在研議中漫遊服務什麼都還在研議中然後現在只是一直在爭是說一直在情樂 |
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我們會細心檢討 謝謝委員所以我最後請教一下抱歉 稍微一分鐘的時間 |
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NCC委員名單我想本席也一直在關心7月31號我也看了因為去年的731就是當時四位委員到期日所以整整一年了直到今年的731行政院才真的千呼萬喚使出來把名單送出來名單看秀出來有沒有送到立法院我們現在還不確定 |
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但是上面馬上被人家抓包是說五月的時候其實就已經有確定這個名單了所以過去這兩個月的時間壓著請教代理主委知情嗎因為這份權責不在NCC這邊這邊我並不清楚所以過去我也問過你一樣問題行政院長有沒有找你溝通找你詢問過NCC的業務有沒有停擺或說NCC能不能現在不過半的委員能不能運作也都沒有跟你諮詢過 |
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有問過 但是提名部分沒有講什麼事情沒有講委員提名部分沒有提那委員他的進度是什麼那個時候問過你 問你的時候然後你有沒有跟他回應是說那你有沒有試著請教一下說那長官權責在你那你的委員提名人選進度是什麼我沒有循序來反映過然後咧反映結果咧已讀不回 |
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直到7月31號這部分我沒有立場回應所以你也不知道那個名單嘛你也是跟我們大家都一樣都是看到行政院7月31號的時候你才知道說原來有四位委員是那你也是看到那一天送出來的名單之後才知道說原來五月的時候這四位委員已經徵詢了我想我的了解程度大概跟委員一樣情何以堪啊 |
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但是主委本期還是最後一句話忠告大家人在公門好休息我們都一樣是要為中華民國國民做事為台灣2350萬人做事再為一天就要把一天的責任給做好災民的痛苦以及NCC所有業務不是說用這種話術或是說配合現在執政黨帶風向就可以帶過 |
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NCC一開始跟我們講iPhone可能沒有辦法上市Switch可能沒有辦法上市如今一一都被打臉那過去一整年四位NCC委員都選缺的情況下你到底要講是說是留下你們這三位 |
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很認真還是根本NCC只要三位就夠根本包括那個攝影器殘是因為我們在去年7月31號以前有修改的這個這個你們有講過了但是你們在一開始的時候就已經一直一而再再而三地一直在說謊講說這樣子有可能iPhone跟Switch就沒有辦法上市這也是之後你們才講出來的謊說實在話 |
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主委是最後請教你的所謂的漫遊的這個機制什麼時候可以送出來什麼時候可以讓國人知道確定未來當發生任何情況的話可以啟動所謂的漫遊機制剛才包括因為這塊涉及到相關部會我會儘快因為明天就會開會明天開會對最快什麼時候因為這一次的災民到底用不用得到啦我這樣講還是你想要拖過這一次 |
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有可能用 但是要看這個相關部會如果說要用的話 你萬事莫如舊火 你就應該要盡速的訂立各業者有什麼樣的一個因應拿出來甚至我剛剛講的受災超過多少人 用戶影響多少人的時候 就可以啟動漫遊機制委員講的這個SOP就是我們開會的重點之一那什麼時候可以訂出來我們看明天開會的結果我們盡快 |
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不要讓我們這一次的災民用不到不要讓大家覺得說你們是在虛隱故事不要讓大家覺得你們只是在應付了事我們是最起碼要為建立未來通案的一些SOP謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝洪孟愷委員的執行 |