| IVOD_ID |
163337 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163337 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-04T10:23:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-04T10:36:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b46859f6d2502d50b05676ee8d468901614178be66146618360071112dbfb7f3dea26643c0888b925ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:52 - 10:36:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、中華電信股份有限公司董事長、行政院災害防救辦公室、經濟部及台灣電力股份有限公司率所屬相關單位列席就「丹娜斯風災通訊中斷及復原過程與檢討及我國災後通訊搶救機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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本席要請我們NCC的陳志偉還有我們蘇發部的邱政次還有我們中華電信的簡董事長中華電信簡董事長 |
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好 這個還沒有執行以前 特別跟大會報告我們陳樹葉委員執行完畢 休息十分鐘陳樹葉委員執行完畢 休息十分鐘好 謝謝主席三位好台南在7月6日晚上颱風衝上來那是禮拜天晚上到7月7日禮拜一的早上 |
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我想一夜之間同時造成的災難恐怕是台灣大概有史以來最嚴重的我稍微統計一下數字這個市化的庫房斷了一萬兩千多戶行動基地台快要一千三百座基地台都壞掉了 |
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那網路受影響大概有11萬6千戶有線電視斷訊大概3萬8千多戶我在當天早上 7月7號早上我就到災區去所以我進去 除了沿線看到電線桿倒了一片電線桿大概倒了1600多支所以很多路都不通我在那邊繞路繞半天那你繞路的時候我需要什麼 |
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我都需要用google map因為鄉間小路就發現完全沒有訊號然後好不容易到達了災區才發現停電停水沒有訊號沒有有線電視所以等於資訊孤島這種狀況最嚴重的地方有持續七八天的當然水電還有電訊復原的時間不大一樣 |
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那災民怎麼辦第一個他沒辦法生活嘛他沒水沒電嘛然後他也不知道外面發生什麼事啊他的家人要關心他電話打不通啊因為鄉下都住老人啊或是一些孩子啊他們出來年輕人要靠上去就不靠上去他要靠上去也靠不出來要不然看一下電視看外面世界怎麼了有線電視又斷了又沒電視了 |
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所以那種恐慌我想就算戰爭都不一定可以造成這麼慘狀所以這也是來檢驗我們國家基礎建設的一個韌性那其中我們今天要來討論電信的問題通訊的問題我在上上禮拜我有開一個記者會跟國公委員我們大概檢討一下做個幾個結論因為你現在斷訊了要趕快恢復訊號 |
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所以呢 三大電信公司啦就中華電信 台客大還有遠傳啦就開始派一些行動車去啦當然數量最多到災區的是中華電信中華電信好像派了三台衛星行動車好像三台的樣子總共派了17台 有8台有衛星的8台有衛星的啦那就是一般的行動訊號車啦 |
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但是台客大跟遠傳就沒有了啊?遠傳也有各10台衛星的有幾台?有幾台?各10台,3加30台拍到災區呢?最高峰時期他們遠傳全部拍進去,台客大也全部拍進去,後來遠傳燒掉一台那個是衛星的行動車嗎? |
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衛星的行動車這個是數碼簿有補助衛星的行動車數碼簿有補助給電競公司來購買補助衛星跟衛星的通訊費通訊車其實我們發現債券是源源不足如果像這麼大運氣同時 |
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因為行動訊號之後 它的範圍比較小啦有效範圍比較小啦所以你頂多在部落跟部落中間 你大概就不通了啦然後後來啊 恢復通訊最快的大概是中國電信了我們才了解到 因為中國電信基礎設施做得比較早先天性也比較強啦所以它的線路都在那裡嘛都地下纜線啦 比較普遍 |
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那其他兩家就不行啦 中華電信那個 那台客大跟遠傳啊 差不多都 日本人都掛在電話條啦電話條如果倒了齁 電話就不通了啦台客大跟遠傳就不通了啦我不曉得 當時他們拿到這個執照齁我了解是沒有強制性 但是他們的一個責任應該是要強化一些基礎建設法 是不是這樣子我繼續回答一下 |
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對 有要求他們做 比方說偏鄉建設多少基站 那些都有要求那這次檢驗起來根本沒有他們當初的那個偏鄉的義務大概都有達成都沒有達成 全部都遭頂位調你不用幫他們講話啦是公法部分啦 公法部分沒有特別要求公法部分當然是要點啦 重點啦而且喔 我們那個也沒有要求到他抗災的係數啦所以我在那個記者會我都有提出來啦 |
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因為這基礎建設差太多了其實三家電線應該都賺錢吧主委 都大賺錢啦大賺錢這幾個社會你應該做到要回饋的啊我不是在廣告啊 但是我的門號我已經轉到中華電線了我感覺差太多了 這緊急時候你要用啊所以最早全面恢復通訊的大概就是中華電線了那我們希望啊 |
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其他兩家要趕快追上來因為這個有市場競爭的問題啊人家做得到啊 你做不到那你在市場怎麼競爭平常我們不會感受得到啦你碰一下電視你講過喔 三間都說他二位都二位對不對三間都說他台灣第一名啦 |
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真正的災難來檢驗就發現這個基本設施差很多所以我現在在記者會上我也請恩欣欣 蘇華部這邊協助可以再繼續補助他們買衛星的行動基地台 |
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後面有這樣的計畫嗎跟我們報告在今年下半年的第五期前瞻我們已經規劃三家會各增加三台再各增加三台對然後再來就是說它原來的沒有衛星的車子因為剛剛我有說過我們今年並沒有新的衛星但是我們會先把架子裝好那不管再來有新的one wave衛星或其他的衛星都能夠快速的裝到這些車子上面去一台衛星行動車大概多少錢 |
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車子全部大概要1100萬到1500萬那衛星的部分大概要300萬左右那我們補助多少我們補助49%一半嘛 業者負擔一半嘛這個應該 你要以整個整理台灣來計算這個數量喔 我想你整個台灣才10幾台你怎麼算 你現在補助10台嘛你要不要再補助3台 |
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對這個速度是遠遠不夠但是因為我手上預算就這麼多另外另外我也要求啦希望說他們現在要再後重修嘛應該提高他們基地台的抗災能力啦什麼抗災能力例如你要抵擋到15級風啦15級風啦不斷電系統可以至少撐72小時 |
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你要有一個數字化的一個管控來 陳主委是的 當然在我們的那個神經辦法空氣型機器台抗風級數15級這個已經在法規已經在實施當中但是更早以前的部分是當時還沒有這個規範所以我現在要求要把它納入法規裡面要求我們業者要做到因為15級風你大概幾十年才會遇到一次 |
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這個已經非常高的一個標準了再來就是它不斷電的系統還有就是跟一些光藍的 地下染性的這個地下化 |
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還有一些重要的節點這個我也跟交通部工種談過啦因為當然不是所有的地方都可以地下化因為淹水的地方就不可以了不然你淹水就淹到路邊了但是比較不淹水的地方就是阻幹線應該要走過去所有的省道就是工種罐的道路上 台17 台19那個大概雲嘉嵐都有啦 整條山的要先走啦那未來我們就提到啦國家 |
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這個數位安全韌性其實我們剛剛幾個委員也有關心到就所謂災難的漫遊啦這個我覺得我們相關業者大家要談一下啦我們現在國內還不能不同電信公司之間的漫遊是不是這樣對 商業漫遊 運動站是不行的是不行嘛 就是說今天三間都壞了 那又沒話講 |
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如果還有一家還可以用那其他就可以過來漫遊有沒有這樣的一個考量有這個空間就是災防法可以借接文電信管理法第22條可以處理這個部分細節部分我想也請我們相關單位大家再來研商另外一個就是所謂的公共安全和應變的通訊系統這個在美國英國在國外最近都開始建制了 |
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尤其我們在台灣 我們台灣目前的今天在台灣辦公室有來我們台灣目前的警政 消防 醫療 還有地方政府都演播同樣的通訊系統 你知道嗎是不是這樣對 他們都用專用電信 都自己的裝飾 對所以這個要整合啦這個要整合啦 因為你如果是在救災 你像這次災難 |
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整體救難部隊進來他有各式各樣不同的系統有警政 有消防 有醫療還有電影廠會自己派來的結果他們的通信都完全不同的系統要找人調度 這個會有問題所以還有目前的這些系統雖然第一個他們系統都不同第二個 他們的系統都是依賴商用網路 |
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金融署都是走電信公司的所以他如果集體來斷訊,我們這裡救生會都會不規範沒有自己獨立一個所謂的公共安全的一個通訊系統所以美國現在韓國,韓國也是一個有安全意識的國家 |
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有危機意識的國家 香港沒有建立自己的PVDR的系統我們台灣沒有 就所謂的公共安全跟救難應變系統這個我也希望相關單位 大家應該盡速來處理啦大家 過去沒有做到啦 那我們現在竟然要做國家安全任性你現在不可以在那裡擱落還有啦 |
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蘇華部的預算我知道你今天比較困難啦蘇華部有一塊那個 蔣補助會啦總預算被刪了35億8嘛被刪了快40%啦那這裡面很多就是數位任性蔣補助會被刪了8億多啦就是數位任性和資訊安全啦後面的工作都需要這些預算啦 |
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我們也希望這個在野政黨大家可以以這次的災情來做一個檢驗考量這個是國家所需要的增強安全韌性的基礎建設這個不只是暫時天災來的時候就可以發現沒有這些東西我們其實基礎建設有很大一個落差有南北的落差也有城鄉的落差 |
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我們希望我們相關單位大家來謝謝委員幫我們說明好我們就謝謝相關單位謝謝三位謝謝主席謝謝林靜憲委員 |