| IVOD_ID |
163336 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163336 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-04T10:07:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-04T10:23:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b46859f6d2502d50dae7f22f6362acc3614178be66146618360071112dbfb7f3739ca4563886b2115ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許智傑 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:07:49 - 10:23:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、中華電信股份有限公司董事長、行政院災害防救辦公室、經濟部及台灣電力股份有限公司率所屬相關單位列席就「丹娜斯風災通訊中斷及復原過程與檢討及我國災後通訊搶救機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 我們先請NCC跟蘇花部好 陳代主委 還有我們邱政次委員好市長好 主委好其實剛才 我想我們好幾位同事都提到這件事情 就是網路任性的事大家都是就事論事 這個當然我們要盡快去改善 |
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但是你若想到我們高雄桃園掉下去那一輛車子它從道路坍塌到掉下去高深谷然後整家人就一輛車子載個五個人全部都掉下去但是你看後面的錄影帶後面錄影帶它爸爸 |
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還不知道怎麼爬到上面去還到道路上去求救求救之後他又下去救他的妻子 孩子然後這五個人兩個死 三個失蹤就都不見了你想到他從山谷跑到 爬到道路上去被 |
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求救然後被錄影帶遭到你去想像那個情景我想每個人都有帶電話啦如果當時他可以電話有通如果當時他可以直接打電話到派出所求救如果派出所接到這個求救就可以盡快去救他也許這五個人命還在 |
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你去想到這個問題你會覺得很難過那到底我們能夠做什麼昨天我也到災區去那跟其邁市長我們也到災區去那看看災民的狀況然後我們也送物資去幫助他們 |
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你可以想像就是說他們在山裡面在颱風暴雨的時候他們是多麼的無助所以我想這個事情是刻不容緩而不是在等待那當然剛才大家也提到了幾個可以解決的方案不管是衛星的備援不管是網路的漫遊等等的有很多的方案那我也看到我們的 |
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蘇發部也做過那個7月10號剛做一個颱風的一個演練7月4號做演練7月6號颱風來了車子掉下去了人跑上來求救但是卻只能無語問昌天你們想一想其實這個真的是你想到那一家五口 |
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生命全部都不見了你就會覺得說它不是一件事情它不是我們現在在談的一件事情它是攸關的人命而且不只這五個人有多少人在山上需要緊急的搶救那麼的無助通訊不通 |
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其實我真的是講了實在是很難過啦不過就是說我再強調一下剛剛我聽有不知道是次長還是主委講說這個漫遊我們還要溝通漫遊有商業機制那當然是他的正常時間的機制但是如果是這種救災時刻你說有哪一家電信公司會反對嗎還需要那麼久嗎 |
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那個中華電信請 |
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有的議題技術上是可行如果政策要做我們會配合但是我必須有一些提醒就是說我舉一個例本來三條高速公路三個交流道如果萬一有兩個交流道壞掉現在把要上兩個交流道的車通通調到另外一個好的交流道要避免一個問題就是也把 |
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好多交通道會塞爆結果就變成三條高速公路全部不同的一個風險啦好 這個風險可能要特別考慮高速公路三條三條就是因為有很多的車輛在山區 在颱風在生命垂危之刻沒那麼多人會把這條高速公路塞爆啦 |
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我們是在救急救難救那些少數的真的是痛苦的災民所以那個時候我跟你講不會塞爆盡快 盡速 馬上處理啦我不相信這個有這麼困難我相信中華電信一定願意的嘛 對不對 |
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金董事長願意嗎技術上可行 我們會來研究怎麼來通比較不具有風險性的通我們會協助這個相關單位來進行商業機制那個都是小事啦商業機制不是考慮的重點那個主委跟社長有聽到商業機制不是考慮的重點 |
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所以這個東西其實漫遊的災死的應變漫遊就應該首先就進入了其他的當然衛星啦 你的那個行動車啦這個當然有很多的救援的機制 但是漫遊最快而且坦白講這個要謝謝中華電信事實上我們也知道在越郊區中華電信其實是部件的比較好啦 |
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當然其他的電信公司我們可以要求的可以拜託的可以多設的這我們再去努力但是就是說中華電信的確在山區 北緣地區是通訊最好的我昨天上山其實就有兩次我自己帶來兩次電話一支是中華電信 一支是另外一支電信公司那我平常就是兩支會交錯用我用那個我用了另外一家電信公司就真的是斷訊了 |
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那還好我有帶兩隻我開另外一次中華電線的用WIFI碼接上那你想在山中的需要急難救助的或者是那輛車我相信那輛車他平常都是在山下啦所以他不見得每個人都用中華電線的如果他有 |
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手機其他家電信公司如果中華電信當時漫遊可以接通我相信他可能不用從山谷一直爬爬到山上馬路上去求救他就直接打個電話我們現在在山谷可不可以儘快來救我們 |
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是跟我們報告目前這個國際規範打緊急的求救電話是不會漫遊就直接的通如果當地只有某A公司的訊號通B公司C公司都不通即便他任務是B公司C公司他一樣打110 119都會通 |
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所以他 我不知道他那個狀況啦 我們也不是怪說這個因為沒有通 而他們死亡當然有很多 災死有很多不同的狀況 我們很難去估計啦但是我們多一個生機 就會多一個救命啦 |
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也許他也不知道啊或者是他打那個拍手的電話那個狀況都很多啦打拍手的電話他不會通嘛所以我們想盡各種可能也就是說其實我在這邊最簡單的要求中華電信辛苦一點就在時間就可以馬上接通漫遊 |
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然後我們NCC跟我們的書畫部這個就是我們數位人性可以即刻可以做的還要再研究那麼久嗎我們看那個報導通常會甚至於7月31才延伸風災區域啟動漫遊服務的可行性 |
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跟我們報告是這樣子的我們的作用法電信法實際其實是禁止商業漫遊的那電信管理法之後有留一個空間藉階災防法29條所以但是都沒有操練過那我們會進行趕快開會來看這機制怎麼處理剛剛簡董有提到說其實還有這個 |
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技術上一定沒問題但是要有一點點時間包括緊急電話跟接通還有通訊監察這一塊都不是說一天兩天可以整理好你知道我們現在山上還在下雨嗎是你知道我們高雄市桃園區現在山上還在下雨嗎還要那麼久嗎拜託你啦好技術上的問題 |
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法規上的問題 我相信你們都比我更嚴重關於愛是人民的需求的問題 救命的問題 要快甚至你們今天說 我不知道可以怎樣 你們今天說說看 搞不好這個開完 後面就可以直接漫遊了 我不知道可不可以有可能我打電話的人就聯絡得到了 現在還有人在山上 |
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好不好是不是盡快現在馬上可以把漫遊接通就趕快接通可以嗎我們盡快努力但是如果當地如果說有A公司訊號打緊急電話應該都不會是問題那一般的那個聯通號這個漫遊的部分對他不只是緊急電話嘛他在上面心慌 |
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他沒有外面的資訊他家人在山下想跟他聯絡說到底這一個親人還在不在你知道那種心情嗎你就接通就當他可以聯絡啊我再跟你講一個那個八八風災那個時候我聽了真的很難過八八風災的時候小林村你知道嗎小林村裡面有一對父子在通電話他爸爸在山上 |
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他孩子在山下他們通電話當中跟他跳進去爸爸說一句嗨啊人就不見了小林村上面那個叫做縣渡山縣渡山從1600公尺瞬間崩塌到剩下600公尺1000公尺的土石整個下去把整個小林村都淹沒他爸爸這樣跟他講電話 |
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那只是在家裡你再去看事後那整片全部都變成一個平地整個所有的土石流下去淹沒成平地所有的房子全部都看不到了你知道那種狀況嗎所以我拜託你們就是說人機吉利及人力吉利啦這個事情我認為不是那麼困難盡快完成好不好好 我會努力拜託你們好不好 |
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745.143 |
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那個都可以嗎 中華電信也OK吧我相信中華電信 因為他只是 他一定願意啦只是說我們盡快把這個程序問題 技術問題把它處理好 |
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772.029 |
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是 跟委員報告我們會來協助NC但是我要特別提醒這個風險要經過驗證啦因為如果我剛才講的情況發生連那個好的也會當掉結果全區都沒有那個區就沒有所以這一部分要特別再仔細考慮一下你其實你這樣講我實在是有意見你這個考量我接受啊但是現在我講的喇嘛俠 |
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桃園 這兩區最嚴重 這兩區上面都沒有多少人很多已經下來了 我們底下有收容所山上還有人沒有下來的你說像台南七股跟嘉義布袋在這個陣營的時候 其實人沒有那麼多你趕緊陣營這兩區才能通你不說我們高雄 你先給南馬車到桃園區先給我們兩區 |
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那那個台南旗鼓跟嘉義布袋這兩個你先這樣就好我不是叫你全部都不是全台灣都漫遊啦就是說這個地方最緊急的地方你們可不可以我不知道你們的技術可不可以開放這個局部就可以先讓他漫遊可以成功的 |
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對 所以我也要報告 這個真的要經過驗證我舉個例子啦 同樣在那個區 它中華電信是40%的服務量我們的設計會到120% 差不多是可以吃50%多現在另外兩家 假設我們另外兩家當了就變100%的人 都會從那個交流道上來那個交流道就會用塞 因為所有人只有那個地方能上我送給你聽好不好 因為我們藍麻社跟桃園 |
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40%用中華電線的?對還有60%有可能用其他的?是這60%我會說現在很多收容已經下來了可能下來了一半對所以我假設存超過50%的人所以你跟齊東漫遊沒問題,真的沒問題啦是是是那個金董 |
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趙偉這個建議是刻不容緩的事技巧性的問題私底下去跟他報告能開就開 因為救命比什麼都還好當然當然當然另外方向也可以 有一些其他的方向啦你針對這個要趕快去跟他報告盡快處理啦 我認為不會塞爆你放心啦很多人已經下山了啦還有少數人留在上面啦 |
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最怕就是汙破偏紅蓮葉雨,人又在裡面,又坐著獨居老人或是故意的所以說最怕那種比較特殊的狀況其實沒那麼多,我幫你補正沒問題啦只要你速度快,這些篩報我認為坦白講我用我的客觀的了解現實的狀況我認為沒有問題,不會篩報啦盡快啦好不好 |
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934.465 |
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949.797 |
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好 那我們希望趕快明天就會開會好明天就會開會其實我是希望你們回合趕快就開會了然後趕快處理了不要再等到明天了 好不好好 拜託真的是拜託你們好 謝謝喜智傑 |