| IVOD_ID |
163231 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163231 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-21T13:21:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-21T13:38:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03307e70a03ca0b988f6cc61954f2472bc8bc26138795b0e012f3492e619a167762f5bddbbf20da75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:21:56 - 13:38:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、內政部首長及交通部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及0708豪雨災損及回復情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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我們先請內政部董事長 |
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市長我先問你這是你們所公布的20平方公尺以上衛台100平方公尺是補助5萬元100平方公尺以上是補助10萬元那請問20平方公尺跟100平方公尺到底污損的狀況我要以補助5萬或是10萬這是誰認定 |
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這是公所來認定喔?公所來認定,好你怎麼認定?這是3坪,就是說6坪到30坪的差別就是說你的署定,如果是6坪大小的破坑市長,你這樣說就是你不去要到基站去看是公所怎麼認定? |
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你今天你拿了這些20平方公尺跟100平方公尺他今天屋頂破了到底這個是20平方公尺還是100平方公尺到底他是要把自己再繼續打掉打到100平方公尺 你也都不能用了啊他不論 |
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是掉了一個我們就是憑照片照片之後你有照相有記錄你們不要這樣說你們都說憑照片可是你知道嗎地方的區公所承辦人員也跟你們一樣都是公務人員你叫他去認定這個 |
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他怎麼去認定 他拿的照片現在都要求說 喔 沒沒沒 你要去看你叫人 叫工去處理 看你怎麼處理阿不然你今天只有一個照片 你知道都造成大家很大的麻煩所以你根本重減 重寬 重塑 根本就是口號嘛 |
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沒有跟委員報告我們一定是努力去這樣處理去做就是說不是你們努力是區公所的承辦人員你們叫基層的承辦人員去承擔這個壓力不是所有的照片資料回傳之後我們就會來認定有你們認定你剛剛又跟我說有區公所認定區公所那邊認定就可以了他只要照冊就可以了照冊啊相片照冊對不對好啊那我現在就問你啊我屋頂 |
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我屋頂已經在流血了我的血三十一、三二月的血都流開了他流五瓶、流六瓶基本上那幾瓶都沒用了 |
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你們可能不知道什麼叫三合院 你們也不知道什麼叫廈柱廈柱既要鬆動之後 它整片就不會動了那今天造完之後 請問要怎麼認定它也是要整片挖它沒有整片的話沒有辦法 那請問這是20平方公尺還是100平方公尺 |
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我們這是衛助金的部分什麼叫助金衛助金就是說你如果受傷 衛助金啊沒錯你們是以防止嘛所以你的工廠的保溫工廠的保溫是另外一個保溫有去處理的嗎沒有啦我們有修繕補助的機制 |
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市長我現在已經跟你講了 這是未註金所以我們要從快 從速 從簡 從寬 對不對所以你講的嘛 這是未註金 對不對所以你要讓基層很清楚 這是未註金可是因為你們有這個叫20平方公尺跟100平方公尺這個部分就會給基層很大的壓力因為要寫什麼 |
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我如果給了他那別人去檢舉我會不會像88風災一樣又要去調查局或是要去地檢署去被問話 |
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院長已經只是從寬從幽我們就是會從寬從幽你們不要再從寬從幽重檢你們要讓基層人員能夠安心他沒有安心他會設計出很多你要求的文件這些文件就會綁住了所有的民眾 |
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我今天跟你講就是說 請你們去了解一下我們從地方 每一天我們都在區公所我們都在區公所 這樣子繞來繞去那你今天你要承辦人員去認定這個你們也給他很確認的一個方向他會擔心 就會要求很多的資料你知道要寫七張嗎 要寫七張嗎 |
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這不是我們的規定 這是台南市政府的規定那為什麼他們要寫到7張 還的啦因為你所謂的20平方公尺跟100平方公尺你要叫我界定所以我一直在談的就是說 你們要同理心 |
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你們在中央你們有沒有想到在地方區公所這些承辦人員你要叫他去認定他有壓力自然會想出很多的方式當他想出很多方式我們的重減重寬重塑就變是一個夢 |
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不可能是這樣因為到目前為止你知道我們的電話都被打爆了每次下去到基層都是說委員他一次叫我們寫那麼多單要我們這個東西要我們那個東西我們怎麼有可能好那我再拜託市長這個部分拜託你馬上我們今天下午會跟台南市政府做釐清確認所有的資料未註金 |
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對 這是衛助金 記得這一句 衛助金衛助金就是我們要幫他起死雨你知道我們到第一線那個阿公阿嬤我們叫他說 你要不要不要住他說沒有 這是野豬我說 阿嬤要怎麼做他說 要給他暑睡你們可以想像這樣的感覺嗎 |
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我們這幾天在那邊看 我們看到了心情然後他在跟我們講說 要給我們保養很多豬 兩位是要怎麼保真的現在已經第15天了不要再為了這個事件 然後好像一直在雞同鴨講鬼打牆來我請農業部陳部長 |
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部長,我告訴你,你們漁業署署長真的很專業他下去基層說明的時候,我真的要幫你下落可能我幫他下落會害到他啦但是真的要幫他下落啦 |
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他從救助補助到低利貸款每一個細項就講得很清楚可是講清楚還是有些我們必須協助的當時候我們去說明的時候有防鳥網有養殖用的竹筏這個要列入補助當下我們也請相關單位調了資料這個進度如何防鳥網養殖用竹筏這都是工具啦 |
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這種用心會牽掛啦所以這個部分到底我們現在怎麼樣第一時間我們在現場跟台南市與會還有區與會一起談論的事情 |
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來我們部長我跟委員說明就是因為整個漁業生產或農業生產以後它的細目非常多那你這邊提到的防鳥網有沒有這個防鳥網我們本來在96年就沒有在補助不過我們在這次的設計裡面可以在一些相關的項目裡面去容納 |
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還有養殖用竹筏沒有關係啦其實你只要能夠讓他們有機會去得到應有的補助這都屬於工具就是我養殖過程必須用的在這一次全部都銷毀了那養殖用的竹筏呢 |
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這個一樣喔 我們也是用其他的方式去把他放在裡面我沒辦法去哄啊 受哄啊這個都是他必要的所以這個部分就是用你們可以用的方式去協助他們 |
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對 我們會用這種方式處理 但是我們不會明列說防鳥網因為這個一列的話 可能列的非常非常多我知道 項目非常多 可能就是有一個帶瓜的就是我在養殖當中需要用的工具這一次都毀損了 類似這樣的方式都毀損了 所以我可以來申請補助這個部分一定要 因為真的是非常淒慘我們用專案補助會比較相對單純 |
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用專案補助啦 這個拜託然後再來就是養雞場還有很多我們相類似的畜牧場這個部長 來我讓你看一下這個它的主幹都歪了然後呢 它的整個地基都扭曲了這個去到我們區公所報說沒有啦 你這裡沒有20%啦 |
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他的主幹都歪了然後整個整個都到位置都大挪移了我跟威仁報告就是蓄情場的部分分兩個部分一個是他裡面飼養的那個雞隻這一件事情對那其他的我們蓄舍的部分我們用剩養補助沒錯變成八成 |
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所以他只要有像你這樣的認定的照相的事實的話我們都會用專案方式去補助沒有所謂的百分之二十這件事所以這個部分要解釋清楚就是說如果他重建可以補助到八成 |
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農民的部分然後呢再來就是我們這一次有很多養豬養雞養鴨他有續養登記但是沒有牧場登記因為這有很多的故事我們專案補助的時候就不會處理這個 |
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因為救助才會去看合法性但是專案補助的話我們只是希望讓農民盡快的能夠恢復到正常的部分所以如果說在這個部分的人這一次會用專案補助重觀認定只要是他有修繕的部分拿了相關的收據他有經營的事實我們就會來處理對 拿什麼資料去跟區公所申報這個相對的就是第一個照相照相是最容易的 |
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它有一個入積的那個證明嘛這個東西是非常容易去取得的有這些證明你們就可以有相對的補助這個你要跟區公署說補助的部分不像說救助的部分有時間的限制那補助的部分我想我們只要因為大家都在忙於清理嘛那補助的部分我們那個時間會拉長所以部長拜託你 |
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就是說因為這一次我們的專案補助真的很多我也常常跟我們的農民漁民說你們今天不管怎麼樣就先照相照相完就是先申報因為我們這一次中央了解地方 |
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真的災害影響太多了我們農業漁業還有我們的民眾這一次要復原的時間非常的長所以就先照相先申報我們自然在專案會一件一件出來不要影響到自己的權利所以我也看到了我們這一次真的很多的專案有別於以往所以 |
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補助的部分是沒有這些條件的所以也希望我們相關單位要很瞭解區公所基本上就要瞭解這個一定要跟台南市政府說那我有一個部分那個經濟部長謝謝經濟部長國務長 |
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其實我2016年就已經向林全院長爭取台南市要納入電纜地下化因為當時候我們經過了很重要的有三個颱風 |
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所以那時候也造成大停電40萬戶累積下來40萬戶當時候所以我才會在2016年向林全院長爭取但是現在基本上我們的動作幾乎是一小步一小步一小步而且這個一小步是有一點在往後因為我們的經費不夠所以部長其實從這一次 |
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這一次我們的丹納斯颱風說真的這是極端氣候所造成的沒有錯可是就像過去我們好雨當我們要求百年洪水位所有的這也是我們經濟部負責的我們的水利標準都用到達百年洪水位整個做調整也是因為88風災所以一次的大雨造成整個帶淹水 |
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那我們這一次其實丹納斯颱風是我們一個警惕有可能因為我們的極端氣候未來颱風都是風速無法可以控管 |
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沒有人可以想要說16級風到19級風所以部長 這個電纜地下化我們的主幹線一定要先做我們主幹線沒有做就像這一次全部倒了2000多支的電線桿都是從我們的主幹線從主幹線到內 然後再加護你要多少時間 |
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854.17 |
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882.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
所以我們是不是應該有一套的專案在我們主幹線的部分應該從我們這個地下化的一個編列預算去做處理你認為呢?報告委員我想這些都是科技的問題啦我們會專業評估啦能夠做地下化我們就做地下化因為地勢比較低的啊淹水後大廈更大所以那個地勢高的我們當然可以做地下化 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
882.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
902.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
那最低是比較低的黑的有淹水可能性的部分我們要考慮有什麼其他的工法來處理當然我當然不是叫你全面啊有些不能做地下化有些要做地下化那我們今天如果把地下化的一個範圍加大 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
903.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
910.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
那是不是這一次我們就不會有這麼多2000多隻的電線桿第一時間我們到現場去看的時候我是從這個安南區到旗鼓一路看看到這個貨幣牌倒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
920.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
944.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那太可怕了一直到嘉義 2000多隻所以我一直要講的你們第一時間可能沒有想到會這麼嚴重所以我們要期待的是這一次是我們的一個警惕真的是警惕因為只要有一次一次極端氣候阻造成了一個氣候的怪胎有可能以後都會有這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
945.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
956.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
所以部長我拜託這是我2016年就已經向林全院長爭取台南市要納入電纜地下化當時候就是三個颱風有40萬戶但是這一次呢這一次有幾萬戶一百萬對 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
963.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
975.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
而且是一次那是三個颱風累積這個是一次所以部長我們一定要盡快提出我們這一次的一個檢討方案多久我們的檢討方案我們這個檢討方案當然會 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
982.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1004.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
那個台電要兩個月的做具體的評估兩個月沒關係我們可以等你兩個月做出一個真正能夠除了任性也可以真正讓人民安心的一個方法跟方式跟專案跟預算的編列我相信沒有人敢擋這一次這樣子如果敢擋我跟他拚命謝謝好 謝謝 |