| IVOD_ID |
163227 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163227 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-21T12:25:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-21T12:38:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03307e70a03ca0b92be46332e07a849abc8bc26138795b0e2d4f4f63d7cb167bce8271213e3fc7bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:25:17 - 12:38:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、內政部首長及交通部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及0708豪雨災損及回復情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 有請經濟部部長 農業部部長郭部長 陳部長 |
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兩位部長好 時間的關係直接進入 上個禮拜衛環委員會我們非常關心在風災之後光電板對環境所造成的污染那特別在新聞那邊的志宏池 我直接問當時的次長說清理完了沒有結果他跟我說99%清理完了那官員在國會裡面詢問我基本上都是採取信任的態度但是 |
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我從嘉義那邊所得到的陳情完全不是這麼回事我第二天找人去看這個是第二天回來的照片這是哪門子的99%清理完成請部長報告委員我想這個這一部分我們大概你所這個隨行的部分應該是我們在聽起來是岸邊不對 |
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那天講得很清楚 我關心的就是志宏慈他事後要怎麼發新聞稿 文過是非那個是他個人的問題尋答的內容清清楚楚在立法院裡面全部全程轉播所有的人都可以公平部長 你不是本人你不是本人 所以我郭不會要你背 |
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但我要拜託部長回去請經濟部的官員事情是怎麼樣就怎麼樣該怎麼回答就怎麼回答不清楚就說不清楚但是不要欺騙但是不要欺騙你只要欺騙都會被打臉我那天臉書PO完了以後媒體跟進報導拍出來的照片大概是這個樣子這個叫99%清理完成報告委員 |
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我可以說嗎?可以,請這個案場我也去看了這個案場不是你拍就你拍的這個部分是沒有錯這個有多大你知道嗎?我知道所以我後來秀106個足球場那麼大是,所以我後來秀媒體的空拍圖給你看嘛第二個是第二個,這個地方要清楚啊我們前面12天因為台電在復電的需求是所以都是台電在做 |
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他根本沒有辦法清出來但是我們把外圍的外圍都已經清好了就是裡面的這個池子裡面的我們還沒有清你說的都沒有問題啊現在我在質疑的事情是那一天經濟部的次長大衛環委員會如同您今天所講的這個樣子事情是怎麼樣老老實實的跟大家講清楚就好了嗎我有說錯嗎 |
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他那天不是這樣回答的耶斬釘截鐵的說99%清理完成了我從當地那邊所得到的檢舉就不是這樣啊我為了怕經濟部說我只拍小部分我還特別7月18號媒體去現場看的空拍圖我秀出來對比給大家看我只有一個point |
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請你需要時間但現實的狀況是怎麼樣就是怎麼樣不要文過是非不要說謊這樣的要求很過分嗎我想委員你說的我們絕對不會文過是非我想我們的市長也不是第一天來當市長是他應該要怎麼回答他非常的清楚是我想這裡面大概大家彼此有一點誤會是我們認為可能是外部沒有關係今天 |
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部長要用誤會來解釋沒有關係您就這樣解釋我只希望這種誤會未來不要再發生再往下看今年我們在省中央政府總預算的時候我們為了要尊潔支出特別不要讓政府拿納稅人的錢去搞大內宣我們針對沒宣費啊針對沒宣費統三了百分之六十 |
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那統三的60%以後各部會接下來執行的狀況如何我當然會去追嘛那依照預算法相關的規定各個部會每一季沒宣費的費用都要公告那我公告我稍微看了一下就是說我們以去年的Q1跟今年的Q1來比行政機關指的是經濟部本部跟其他相關的機關Q1的沒宣費大概花了600多萬 |
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然後去年的Q1花了400多萬那我看了這個數字以後我覺得有點奇怪那怎麼刪了60%你們Q1花的錢比去年的Q1還多是你們集中把沒宣費都擠到第一季還是有經費流用的狀況 |
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這個部分我要了解一下 要了解一下嗎 好沒有關係 那我請部長回去了解一下以後把數字給我可以嗎 可以 一個禮拜夠不夠 可以可以嗎 好下來那從經濟部的做法就會知道主管機關應該按月公開媒體宣傳業務的主題跟金額 這個是當初 |
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在修訂預算法62條之一的時候那大家希望能夠貫徹的價值啊因為在當代的民主法治國家當中邊預算邊預算來進行媒體宣傳怎麼樣避免進行所謂置入性的行銷甚至養媒體這種亂象 |
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過去這麼多年 納稅人非常關心 批評也很強烈那最起碼經濟部 做到一件事情我肯定你們都有依法 公布金額那金額數字 剛剛我所提出來的問題 再請部長回去了解接下來請農業部部長農業部有遵守預算法62條之一的規定嗎您說的是媒體的部分是不是 是 |
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我相信我們的同仁應該會遵守那如果沒有遵守呢我這個我必須了解了解他們所謂的您說的沒有遵守的部分是哪一個項目就最簡單的吧你們有按記公告嗎有有有按記公告有來我今天早上來質詢前我還在去看農業部本部沒有公布114年媒體宣傳費 |
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阿你為什麼說有?是剛剛突然補上去嗎?這個是今天早上的解讀OK我想這個部分我想應該要按計公告 當然要嘛所以如果沒有的話 我現在就問你為什麼沒有嘛我不知道 你不知道 我要去了解好沒有關係 需要多少時間了解這個下午我馬上就可以了解了下午馬上了解 好下午下班以前為什麼沒有公告?為什麼沒有公告?下午下班以前書面回覆 |
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有沒有問題可以不要到時候承辦人又打電話到我辦公室說我們都已經公文簽出去了長官不在沒有辦法回覆簽出來拜託再等一等又不曉得要拖到什麼時候我想我回應一定是說下班以前回覆沒有問題嗎可以因為按照規定即使你半毛都沒有花都應該要公告說我半毛都沒有花 |
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466.212 |
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475.248 |
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我也要確認 是不是真的半毛都沒有花所以才沒有公告 我還下去找我透過我們的標案系統看 不是啊 |
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476.297 |
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497.13 |
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你們農業部 華市 民視 三立通通都有今年執行的案子啊為什麼沒有依法公告他納稅的人知道嗎這種依法應該要做的事情就要做啦這個我相信部長應該不會否認啦回去搞清楚為什麼該做沒有做我下一個問題 |
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527.851 |
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當初啊 我們的前同事蘇志芬委員給他接中央續產會的董事長一堆酬庸的批評都出來那當然 你們說這個是借重償財啊 推動改革給他一年年薪將近三百萬中央續產會的董事長這樣的位置去做現在我只有個問題中央續產會董事長他的業務繁不繁重 還是很閒 |
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529.144 |
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553.079 |
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我想中央區長會是負責整個的是我知道他負責什麼現在我只關心他是整天沒事幹嗎還是業務很繁重一年領三百萬到底在幹些什麼事情我跟委員報告就是中央區長會特別我邀請他來以後希望說他第一個針對整個區長會的制度上面做一個精進跟改革第二個部分是 |
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564.416 |
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針對現在目前比較重要的豬跟雞的整個的產銷我希望說他能夠建立一個有效的一個系統所以我相信他一定是積極在處理這方面的事情所以他工作反不反送 |
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565.188 |
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582.072 |
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我想我沒有辦法代替他回答沒有辦法代替他回答因為如果啦看你們編的預算嘛一年大概他薪資的部分大概變了284萬嘛有的沒有加起來啦大概是這個薪水這個薪水不能說低但我現在的問題是什麼來看一下我去雲林的時候 |
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612.637 |
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鄉親給我的投訴是中央續產會董事長很閒是不是一天到晚在雲林裡面搞大罷免你晚上假日你自己休息的時間你有你的政治主張自由我沒意見中央續產會的辦公室是在雲林嗎還是董事長不用進辦公室沒關係 |
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620.371 |
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一天不得分零下不大罷免還有上班的時間在這樣搞的部長 適合嗎還是這是農業部鼓勵的 |
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647.198 |
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我想第一個部分以農業部來講我們農業部部本部本身包括我們所屬工研系的行政中立中央市場會需不需要行政中立這個法人的部分就不需要沒有我還沒有講完法人的部分其實我們也希望說他在正式上班時間的時候是一個行政中立那私底下他的任何的行為這我剛講過了嘛 |
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648.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
671.191 |
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阿如果上班的時間跑去宣傳大罷免 農業部要不要處理是嗎不是 上班的時間 這個牽涉到因為我們人都有可以有請假我現在不瞭解他實際的那個沒關係阿 你去瞭解清楚嘛我會有這些照片就雲林的鄉親我去雲林的時候跟我投訴阿所以我們中央續產會很閒阿 |
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673.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
686.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
一天到晚在雲林搞大罷免你納稅人的錢在幹這種事情適合嗎?真的適合嗎?請部長回去了解一下可以嗎?我可以可以去了解可以齁可以去了解需要多少時間? |
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706.658 |
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一樣下班以前回覆可以嗎沒有辦法喔因為需要多久等726搞完以後再回覆嗎我必須了解沒關係你需要多久我現在沒辦法很確定的告訴你所以需要多久你也沒辦法跟我講續產會有續產會我們所有的需要資料都是續產會都要用公開的方式去 |
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734.188 |
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他不是我們直屬的公務系統可以馬上一通電話就可以搞定所以相對的他本身你所提到他在上班時間做一些其他的非上班的業務那這個部分他們也要去了解所以這個了解我不知道要多久嘛我現在沒有辦法確定很有可能726以後才會有答案嘛對我來講我沒有726這種概念最好是沒有啦你納稅人的錢搞這種事啊我看不下去啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
748.585 |
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我看不下去啊你要不然你要不然你要不然就回家吃自己你拿納稅人的錢上班時間在搞這種事情這什麼政府啊 |
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這哪門是行政中立啊納稅人付錢給你薪水是在幹這種事齁我現在不了解但是相對他如果是請假的方式齁那相對的請假以外的事情是他個人的事情所以在我還沒有了解他實際的狀況之下我不做任何的一個評論沒關係啊 那我就等啊等農業部看什麼時候回覆啦不管726之前還是726之後這件事情我一定會追究到底好 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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黃委員國昌：（12時25分）謝謝主席，麻煩有請經濟部部長、農業部部長。 |
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主席：請郭部長、陳部長。 |
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陳部長駿季：委員好。 |
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黃委員國昌：兩位部長好。因為時間的關係，直接進入詢答。上個禮拜在衛環委員會我們非常關心風災之後光電板對環境所造成的污染，特別在新塭那邊的滯洪池，我直接問當時備詢的經濟部次長清理完了沒有，結果他跟我說99%清理完了。官員在國會裡面詢答，我基本上都是採取信任的態度，但是我從嘉義那邊所得到的陳情完全不是這麼回事。我第二天找人去看，簡報上是第二天帶回來的照片，這是哪門子的99%清理完成？請部長回答。 |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，我想您所垂詢的這部分應該聽起來是岸邊…… |
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黃委員國昌：不對，那天講得很清楚，我關心的就是滯洪池，他事後要怎麼發新聞稿、文過飾非是他個人的問題，詢答的內容清清楚楚，在立法院裡面全部全程轉播，所有的人都可以公評。部長，你不是本人，所以我不會要你背鍋，但我要拜託部長回去請經濟部的官員，事情是怎麼樣就怎麼樣，該怎麼回答就怎麼回答，不清楚就說不清楚，但是不要欺騙，你只要欺騙都會被打臉。我那天臉書po完了以後，媒體跟進報導，拍出來的照片大概是簡報上這個樣子，這個叫99%清理完成？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，我可以說嗎？ |
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黃委員國昌：可以，請。 |
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郭部長智輝：這個案場我也去看了，這個案場不是你拍……就你拍的這個部分是沒有錯，這個有多大，你知道嗎？ |
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黃委員國昌：我知道，所以我後來秀…… |
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郭部長智輝：106個足球場那麼大。 |
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黃委員國昌：是，所以我後來秀媒體的空拍圖給你看嘛。 |
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郭部長智輝：第二個，這個地方要清除，我們前面12天因為台電有復電的需求，所以都是台電在做，他根本沒有辦法清出來，但是我們把外圍都已經清好了，就是裡面的池子我們還沒有清，也許我們…… |
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黃委員國昌：你說的都沒有問題，現在我在質疑的事情是，那一天經濟部的次長到衛環委員會如同您今天所講的這個樣子，事情是怎麼樣，老老實實地跟大家講清楚就好了，我有說錯嗎？他那天不是這樣回答的，他斬釘截鐵地說99%清理完成了，但是我從當地那邊所得到的檢舉就不是這樣啊！我為了怕經濟部說我只拍小部分，還特別在7月18日把媒體去現場看的空拍圖秀出來給大家看。我只有一個point，清理需要時間，但現實的狀況是怎麼樣就是怎麼樣，不要文過飾非，不要說謊，這樣的要求很過份嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：我想委員您說的，我們絕對不會文過飾非。我想我們的次長也不是第一天來當次長，他應該要怎麼回答，他非常地清楚，我想這裡面大概大家彼此有點誤會，我們認為可能是外部影響到…… |
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黃委員國昌：沒有關係。今天部長要用「誤會」來解釋，沒有關係，您就這樣解釋，我只希望這種誤會未來不要再發生。 |
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再往下看。今年在審中央政府總預算的時候，我們為了撙節支出，特別不要讓政府拿納稅人的錢去搞大內宣，我們針對媒宣費統刪了60%，統刪了60%以後，各部會接下來執行的狀況如何，我當然會去追。依照預算法相關的規定，各部會每一季的媒宣費費用都要公告，我把公告稍微看了一下，以去年的Q1跟今年的Q1相較，行政院機關（指的是經濟部部本部跟其他相關機關）Q1的媒宣費大概花了六百多萬，去年的Q1則是花了四百多萬。我看了這個數字之後覺得有點奇怪，怎麼刪了60%，你們Q1花的錢比去年的Q1還多？是你們集中把媒宣費都擠到第一季，還是有經費流用的狀況？ |
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郭部長智輝：這部分我要了解一下。 |
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黃委員國昌：要了解一下嘛！好，沒有關係，請部長回去了解一下以後把數字給我可以嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：可以。 |
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黃委員國昌：一個禮拜夠不夠？ |
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郭部長智輝：可以。 |
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黃委員國昌：好。從經濟部的作法就會知道主管機關應該按月公開媒體宣傳業務的主題跟金額，這個是當初在修訂預算法第六十二條之一的時候，大家希望能夠貫徹的價值，因為在當代的民主法治國家當中編預算進行媒體宣傳，怎麼樣避免進行所謂置入性行銷，甚至養媒體這種亂象，過去這麼多年，納稅人非常關心，批評也很強烈，最起碼經濟部做到一件事情我很肯定，你們都有依法公布金額，那金額、數字，對於剛剛我所提出來的問題，再請部長回去了解。 |
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接下來請農業部部長，農業部有遵守預算法第六十二條之一的規定嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：您說的是媒體的部分，是不是？ |
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黃委員國昌：是。 |
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陳部長駿季：我相信我們的同仁應該會遵守。 |
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黃委員國昌：如果沒有遵守呢？ |
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陳部長駿季：這個我必須去了解，就是您所謂沒有遵守的部分是哪一個項目。 |
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黃委員國昌：就最簡單的嘛！你們有按季公告嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：有按季公告。 |
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黃委員國昌：有？ |
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陳部長駿季：有。 |
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黃委員國昌：我今天早上來質詢前，我還再去看了農業部本部沒有公布114年媒體宣傳費，你為什麼說有？是剛剛突然補上去嗎？這個是今天早上的截圖。 |
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陳部長駿季：我想這個部分應該要按季公告。 |
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黃委員國昌：當然要嘛！ |
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陳部長駿季：所以如果沒有…… |
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黃委員國昌：我現在就問你為什麼沒有嘛！ |
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陳部長駿季：我不知道，所以我要去了解。 |
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黃委員國昌：你不知道？ |
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陳部長駿季：我要去了解。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，沒有關係，需要多少時間了解？ |
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陳部長駿季：下午我馬上就可以了解了。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，下午下班以前，為什麼沒有公告？為什麼沒有公告？ |
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陳部長駿季：對，我會去了解。 |
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黃委員國昌：下午下班以前書面回復，有沒有問題？ |
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陳部長駿季：可以。 |
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黃委員國昌：可以？不要到時候承辦人又打電話到我辦公室說：我們都已經公文簽出去了，長官不在，沒有辦法回復簽出來，拜託再等一等。這又不曉得要拖到什麼時候。 |
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陳部長駿季：我想我回應一定是說…… |
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黃委員國昌：下班以前回復，沒有問題嘛？ |
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陳部長駿季：可以。 |
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黃委員國昌：可以嘛！因為按照規定，即使半毛都沒有花，都應該要公告說半毛都沒有花，我為了要確認是不是真的半毛都沒有花，所以才沒有公告，我還下去找，我透過標案系統看，不是啊！你們農業部、華視、民視、三立統統都有今年執行的案子，那為什麼沒有依法公告？怕納稅人知道嗎？這種依法應該要做的事情就要做，我相信部長應該不會否認。 |
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陳部長駿季：對，這一定要。 |
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黃委員國昌：回去搞清楚為什麼該做沒有做。 |
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下一個問題，當初讓我們的前同事蘇治芬委員接中央畜產會董事長，一堆酬庸的批評都出來，當然你們說這是借重長才、推動改革，給他一年年薪將近300萬去坐中央畜產會董事長這樣的位子。現在我只有一個問題，中央畜產會董事長的業務繁不繁重？還是很閒？ |
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陳部長駿季：中央畜產會是負責整個的…… |
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黃委員國昌：是，我知道他負責什麼，現在我只關心他是整天沒事幹嗎？還是業務很繁重？一年領300萬，到底在幹些什麼事情？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我邀請他來中央畜產會，特別希望第一個，針對整個畜產會在制度上面做一個精進跟改革；第二個部分是針對目前比較重要的豬跟雞整個產銷，我希望他能夠建立一個有效的系統，所以我相信他一定是積極在處理這方面的事情。 |
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黃委員國昌：所以他工作繁不繁重？ |
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陳部長駿季：我想我沒有辦法代替他回答。 |
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黃委員國昌：沒有辦法代替他回答！因為看你們編的預算，他的薪資部分一年大概編了284萬，有的、沒有的加起來大概是這個薪水。 |
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陳部長駿季：我只了解法人…… |
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黃委員國昌：這個薪水不能說低，但我現在的問題是什麼？看一下，我去雲林的時候，鄉親給我的投訴是中央畜產會董事長很閒是不是？一天到晚在雲林裡面搞大罷免，晚上、假日、自己休息的時間，你有你的政治主張自由，我沒意見，中央畜產會的辦公室是在雲林嗎？還是董事長不用進辦公室沒關係？一天到晚在雲林那邊搞大罷免，還有上班的時間在這樣搞的！部長，適合嗎？還是這是農業部鼓勵的？ |
| gazette.blocks[60][0] |
陳部長駿季：第一個部分，以農業部來講，我們農業部部本部本身，包括我們所屬公務員系統，一定是行政中立，至於這些…… |
| gazette.blocks[61][0] |
黃委員國昌：中央畜產會需不需要行政中立？ |
| gazette.blocks[62][0] |
陳部長駿季：法人的部分，我想…… |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
黃委員國昌：就不需要？ |
| gazette.blocks[64][0] |
陳部長駿季：沒有，我還沒有講完。 |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
黃委員國昌：是。 |
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陳部長駿季：法人的部分，其實我們也希望他在正式上班時間的時候是行政中立，私底下他的任何行為…… |
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黃委員國昌：這我剛剛講過了嘛！如果上班的時間跑去宣傳大罷免，農業部要不要處理？適任嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[68][0] |
陳部長駿季：不是，上班的時間牽涉到……因為我們人都可以有請假，我現在不了解他實際的…… |
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黃委員國昌：沒關係！你去了解清楚嘛！我會有這些照片，就是雲林的鄉親在我去雲林的時候跟我投訴，說中央畜產會很閒，一天到晚在雲林搞大罷免，領納稅人的錢在幹這種事情適合嗎？真的適合嗎？請部長回去了解一下，可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[70][0] |
陳部長駿季：我可以去了解。 |
| gazette.blocks[71][0] |
黃委員國昌：可以喔？ |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
陳部長駿季：可以去了解。 |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
黃委員國昌：需要多少時間？一樣，下班以前回復可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[74][0] |
陳部長駿季：沒有辦法，因為第一個…… |
| gazette.blocks[75][0] |
黃委員國昌：需要多久？ |
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陳部長駿季：我…… |
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黃委員國昌：等726搞完以後再回復嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[78][0] |
陳部長駿季：我必須了解就是…… |
| gazette.blocks[79][0] |
黃委員國昌：沒關係，你需要多久？ |
| gazette.blocks[80][0] |
陳部長駿季：我現在沒有辦法很確定的告訴你。 |
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黃委員國昌：所以需要多久，你也沒辦法跟我講？ |
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陳部長駿季：因為相對的，畜產會有畜產會……我們所有需要的資料，畜產會都要用公文的方式去處理。 |
| gazette.blocks[83][0] |
黃委員國昌：是。 |
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陳部長駿季：它不是我們直屬的公務系統，可以馬上一通電話就可以搞定。所以相對的，你所提到他在上班時間做一些其他非上班的業務，這個部分他們也要去了解，因為這個了解我沒有辦法現在馬上確定。 |
| gazette.blocks[85][0] |
黃委員國昌：不知道要多久嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[86][0] |
陳部長駿季：我現在沒辦法確定。 |
| gazette.blocks[87][0] |
黃委員國昌：很有可能726以後才會有答案嘛！是不是這樣？ |
| gazette.blocks[88][0] |
陳部長駿季：對我來講，我沒有726這種概念。 |
| gazette.blocks[89][0] |
黃委員國昌：最好是沒有啦！領納稅人的錢搞這種事，我看不下去啦！我看不下去啦！ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員說，不用那麼大聲，你不需要那麼大聲。 |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
黃委員國昌：要不然就回家吃自己，拿納稅人的錢上班時間在搞這種事情，這什麼政府啊？這哪門子行政中立啊？納稅人付錢給你薪水是在幹這種事喔？ |
| gazette.blocks[92][0] |
陳部長駿季：我現在不了解，但是相對的，他如果是請假的方式，相對的請假以外的事情是他個人的事情，所以在我還沒有了解實際狀況之下，我不做任何評論。 |
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黃委員國昌：沒關係啊！那我就等啊！等農業部看什麼時候會回復。不管726之前，還是726之後。 |
| gazette.blocks[94][0] |
陳部長駿季：我們會去了解。 |
| gazette.blocks[95][0] |
黃委員國昌：這件事情我一定會追究到底。謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。 |
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我們現在請鄭天財委員詢答。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
84 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-3-19-18 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
林俊憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-07-21 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1146802 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1146802_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、內政部首長及交通部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及0708豪雨災損及回復
情形」進行報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1146802_00001 |