| IVOD_ID |
163226 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163226 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-21T12:15:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-21T12:25:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03307e70a03ca0b9bcc70a32c87d755fbc8bc26138795b0e2d4f4f63d7cb167bff111285ee9a4ebd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:15:15 - 12:25:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、內政部首長及交通部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及0708豪雨災損及回復情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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台南這次天災農損第一名高達45% |
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但是我就過往的每年的這一個平均的這一個農損每年大概要121億但是我們現金的補助大概約約只有31億我剛剛聽您講或許今年應該會超過平均值吧去年其實就已經超過75億了對 所以說基本上這一個 |
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目前的這個預算的殖民都有在處理那現實上來說我們看到這個保護農民的部分大概基本上損失大概是只有25%整體來說是這樣子所以我們現在看到的是說以在目前為止天然災害 |
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還有包括這個農業保險應該是透過雙軌的方式不同層別那另外一個是屬於個人的經濟的韌性有三層的作用來面對這個天災那現在有一個出現的問題天然災害的這個部分我們做強化但個人的部分我們也需要強化但是保險的部分我們目前看到是最弱化的部分舉文旦的例子為例你最高理賠金額只有40% |
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而最大的級數多少 14級而已可是這次 主委 這是高達16級欸你極端企劃沒有納入欸你當你這個保險保單的設計當中應該予以提高 給付應該提高你給付不夠高 相對覆蓋率就不會高部長 這有檢討的空間啊 |
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我跟委員報告這次大概理賠是用14級封40%如果它17級封的話就是100%那我也請我們的農進署這邊那個保單一定要滾動檢討如果沒有達到農民需要理賠而沒有理賠到我覺得它就不是一個好的保單我現階段就是許許多多農民跟我講說我都問他說田園災還沒搞 |
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農業保險可以撥來倒但是沒辦法撥來倒為什麼因為誘因不足嘛所以趁這個機會來說就任性的部分的話我要請部長這個整個農業保險的部分要回去徹底的減少 |
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這個我已經跟你講過好幾次還有包括個人經濟任性的部分還有包括所謂的這個農民退休儲金我上次也講啊我也不曉得你報的怎麼樣啊都沒有進度啊我跟委員報告農民退休儲金這個部分大概我們已經跟行政院已經報告 溝通好了嗎已經相關的溝通已經大概完成了什麼時候要宣布 |
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那這個部分可能會在因為他是需要修法的嘛需要修法我們一定是在下個會議一定會送進來好 接下來我就在講啊在這剛剛在談就是說有關於你的農 漁 牧你這個補助的標準應該要雷同啊認定的基準也應該雷同啊譬如說我們給你舉一個例子我們最近在奔波在低層的時候就看到一個問題你婚姻額外的步驟跟額外的步驟 |
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基本上金額就差非常多 一個公園11萬 一個天2萬5但是額外補助額外申請分額要5倍 額外的補助是5分之1我舉個例子 昨天就有一個里長跟我complain 他3.75公頃補助起來換起來不到5千塊 |
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為什麼 因為你把間接的成本在你的航照圖生產的面積以外它的底牌啊 主要在那邊長小 你都不算面積這樣認定過於重演啦所以以致於民怨不斷啦 |
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部長 這個有檢討的空間啊第一個你要知道這個每一個養殖項目的成本的部分你要先徹底的了解第二個部分你要去清楚的知道這一個實質的這個整個養殖的方式是如何 |
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部長你可以檢討一下啦這第一我第二個來講包括你傳統的畜牧業部分堆肥室的部分你補足一片差不多250萬元是最上層鋼琴成本差不多一千這差不多現金大差不多八千一萬 |
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您講的都差不多10分之一而已啦現實上差太多啦如果相對於農漁木我剛剛講在比較上這有需要調整的空間啦 部長這麻煩回去稍微處理一下好不好好 第一個我跟委員報告就是救助金本身的一個金額的調整會隨著物價而調整我們大概上次已經說的我們大概每半年到一年都會調整一次 |
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那問題是就算是少啦然後第二個就是說因為這一次部分特別像敘事的部分因為你要去調整救助金我們用補助的方式專門補助的方式來協助他能夠度過這次人狼關我跟你講這兩個項目你就回去幫我檢討一下我請董事上來一下你會後給我回覆啦這兩個強烈的在表達不滿董事 |
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來 謝謝部長請回 |
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總之16年前的八八風災的這個土石流需要一套SOP的方式也就是議城古島區今年度消防署公布的這個資料剛好是在丹麥斯颱風來了一周框了13個縣市這個古島區台南市是零台南市是零喔結果整個台南市這次形成了多少古島沿海一帶都是古島好幾個部落都是古島我調了一下113年的數字台南還有一處在南化那為什麼我們的議城古島區台南都變成零 |
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因為你從土石流的概念來思考這個孤島而已嘛那天災難道只有土石流而已嗎所以跟委員報告我們消防署雖然說目前已經有那個之前的決議是說這些地方被刪除但是我們會重新再去討論那一塊而且部長也指示過我們針對整個孤島地區會重新做一個新的討論這些孤島地區在這是以我選區七股的西寮頂山沿城 |
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完全都是每一個都不同的孤島就是脆弱的沿海地帶當中應該納入救災的準備機制啊市長我未來會檢討未來會檢討這裡頭就非常的清楚包括北門都是這樣子嘛至少之所以會形成這個孤島除了風力之外還有一個你知道嗎它在第一個時間點颱風登陸的時候整個七股的沿海的這個浮標測到最高的這個浪高是5.7啊你們說海水倒灌居民說那是海嘯 |
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所以進來之後為什麼會變成這樣子細節我不跟你講七谷的沙洲的整個修築的這個海堤啊能量都非常有限那之前這兩個缺口不用是 |
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兩個沙洲不管是盲阿寮還是青山港都處於侵蝕的階段甚至變破體以至於海水會倒灌倒灌進來之後我曾經去會堪過我曾經也開過協調會會堪協調會之後呢每個部會中央所屬不同的部會包括你內政部也好包括經濟部也好互相 |
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說不是他的責任另外地方也有地方的管轄範圍所以分屬各地我以為啊用一個方式可以解決就是台南市把它列入一級的海岸的防護啊以前一級海岸防護都是本島離島不算那發現你們在109年6月就已經把台南一級防護納進去了69公里海岸線了是 |
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477.193 |
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497.805 |
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那結果呢 時間過了幾年 過了五年了有沒有做 沒有做我簡單的講 重點的說 兩個方式一個呢 離岸這一個堤防要不要蓋你要跟啦 這一個啦 經濟部水利署對 國家公運署跟水利署已經合作 我們會來處理什麼時候 什麼時候 我上次協調會兩邊還推來推去啦我們儘快來處理 什麼時候 |
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502.407 |
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522.633 |
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下禮拜給本席一個答覆好可以嗎下禮拜給本席一個答覆另外一個中期的部分可以做的就是海雜門海雜門有550億的這個水利工程或經濟部的水利署在不在來署長來署長這個海雜門有沒有效龍山的海雜門開下去就有了這邊沿海地帶有幾個海雜門 |
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524.607 |
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538.384 |
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報告委員這個是大寮排水大寮排水有沒有海雜滿它規劃設計有也核定的那目前是還沒有那因為當初市政府這個完成治理規劃以後 |
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540.467 |
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553.202 |
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地方的居民對於海雜門的使用的部分還有些疑慮但是規劃完這是地方居民跟我要求的現在有疑慮嗎所以我們現在如果說市政府認為可以來做我們會來考慮納到我們下一階段 |
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557.367 |
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563.45 |
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是 準備好 當場來宣布到底需要蓋幾個海雜門的應急工程開始來施作是 如果我們要依照市政府所核定的內容我們會來積極協助還有包括那個離岸堤防沒有問題 也是美根委員報告針對離岸堤防大概有需要那個沙長帶破損目前我們會全力幫忙在公共工程委員會附件勘栽馬上來處理會全力來負責 沒有問題 |
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586.582 |
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595.326 |
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好不好 這個我們會跟市政府一起努力這些都要現場要有說明沒有問題 這才是真正的長期的solution的方案我們會跟內政部一起來努力好 謝謝兩位 |