| IVOD_ID |
163219 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163219 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-21T10:06:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-21T10:34:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:28:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03307e70a03ca0b9ef38050249540ff6bc8bc26138795b0ef11c5be214a16da45b55e0d0608bdf185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:19 - 10:34:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、內政部首長及交通部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及0708豪雨災損及回復情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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休息十分钟 |
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請主管救災的內政部政府次長董建宏董次長還有農業部部長陳經濟陳部長委員好次長丹尼斯重創的南台灣特別是嘉義跟台南這不只是天災也是人後這是中華民國第一次國軍 |
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沒有投入救災而且嘉義跟台南天災那麼嚴重救災的速度非常的慢甚至有些災情都被政府被某些媒體輕易的媒體把它蓋住了我看你今天的報告 |
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這次啊 特別是加一根台南房屋損害的 被颱風整個屋頂掀開了牆壁都破掉了門窗都被吹破了一萬八千戶一萬八千個家庭到現在很多都還沒修好有些只能蓋著帆布現在南部又開始下雨了停電超過一百萬戶結果國金竟然可以不進去幫忙 |
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我們的農業魚業 矽木業 農企業像現在跟台南很多蘭花都種創了政府有深有同感 急著去幫他們嗎我先問你一個今天你報告裡面最讓我生氣的你是負責救災的你現在報告裡面說這次丹納斯死亡人數兩人 |
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災情通報10459件受傷人是708只有兩位嗎 |
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對 只有兩位嗎對 我們目前收到的那個所有相關的通報是如此那也跟各位委員報告我們截至7月18日的17時多累計通報10459件兩人死亡 708人受傷那我們整個災害應變中心在運作的時間裡面我們共同疏離了4253人那其中也因好與疏散了3096人 |
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11個縣市開設67處的收容所收容了876人市長我先跟你討論兩條市長市長你這個報告我跟你講了重點就是剛剛講的你說死亡人數是兩位我跟你講兩條非常寶貴的生命你們沒有寫進去戴慶德總統是在7月11號到台南去勘災你知道嗎在他勘災前已經有一位嘉義我的嘉義鄉親勒卡愛鄉親 |
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他爬到樓上也是為了屋頂被風吹走了心臟病病吧一條人命為了要修他的屋頂那裡總統在7月11號到了台南的時候張一鳴很無助地跟他講趕快派國軍來幫忙他講我的屋頂被掀開了請總統派人來幫忙我爬不上去總統冷冷地回了一句 |
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我們要自己背啦有人真的聽了總統的話爬上去了7月16號台南家裡去了一位60歲的民眾他媽媽已經98歲了這民眾還是家裡的獨子 獨家他為了修家裡的房子 爬上去一家人命就沒有了 |
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如果在7月11號當蔡英明已經跟總統陳情了那時候國軍去幫忙或者是內政部你們都派一些人力這法規人命不用喪屍了耶我們內政部的確有派相當的人力我們把我們的替代役我們的警大警專的替代役1350人都已經派過去了主席你的替代役人是去你的替代役什麼時候要去了 |
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我們在7月15號就已經7月初就已經派出7月14號我們就派過去了 |
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委員 相關的人力的派遣我們必須要受到那個中央的指示指揮我們才能夠派遣那麼我們的人力的派遣也非常的迅速我們就需要所有的人力的所有的人力的損失都是一個遺憾我們都非常努力在協助我們會努力的去照顧所有的人每一個人命的損失都是我們國人的損失我們都非常的遺憾我們也都努力的去協助照顧所有的人 |
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就紅太子7月6號的深淚就已經登陸了120年來第一個從嘉義登陸的颱風最大的風速是七級風損害那麼嚴重國軍只去了第一天就被調走了當然要漢光遠襲可是是不是因為就在如同作戰嘛那你剛講你們的替代役竟然到十幾號才去一個禮拜多你們怎麼堆起災民啊 |
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我們都每天都有很多190的參觀的替代役服務役人員在現場服務協助我們不是只有 我們是真派替代役的人員我們不是說沒有替代役的人員在現場在國軍有史以來第一次沒有去救災的同時你們人力派遣這麼慢的同時至少剛剛講 發生了兩起很大的悲劇我覺得你死亡人數還要再加上去該去撫恥了 該去慰問了 趕快去第二個是讓人家生氣了 |
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災情那麼嚴重民眾都已經跟你們講了當著總統的面拜託要求了國軍不去市長你們負責救災利益連累乃至國軍沒有去依照災防救法地方縣市政府要求國軍要去對不對如果受災非常嚴重國軍要主動去 |
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那是反令嗎?有提醒總統嗎?國安部也出動了4000多人次前去救災救援我們在整個災情中央應變中心的過程裡面從7月8號開始7月5號開始設置之來我們就不斷的派遣相關的軍力還有人力、民力、好,替代役都有到現場去協助、去幫忙那麼相關的人力的不足或是我們都後續都有在補充、在補足那麼 |
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雖然他救災還是根本謊言被拆穿我剛剛講的那個場景那麼清清楚楚在災後的已經到了第五天那時候台灣民眾黨已經提了正式的案子要求要重訴因為災情一件一件又爆回來沒有人去幫人 人力不夠嘛所以才有那個賴清德11號到了台南那個場景嘛結果民眾是怎麼跟他講的我們需要國軍 |
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國際經濟法令本來就該去第二個你們內政部為什麼沒有積極去爭取對不對那第三個我剛剛現在就接著跟你講相關的民力、人力、物力包括國軍我們其實都有派遣也都有出許相關的紀錄都有我們都可以調給委員看那你剛剛講十幾號你們還派替代役替代役是增加的我們是真派替代役本來現場就有替代役我們在場就有替代役 |
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人力本來就有你來看結果好台南跟嘉義超過一萬八千個家庭房子的屋頂被掀走了進戶設什麼事情第一個 到今天還有多少戶還沒有修建完成三四千戶嘛 像台南可能要兩三千戶嘉義可能也要幾百戶啊外國用董車就要有百多戶 還沒用完啊宜甸比較多 又補就比較少 |
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要更嚴重了 處長你們做什麼幫忙你們發反部 |
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八環部我們不是只有八環部我們協助了很多地方的民眾我們請地方的工班也都過去幫忙我們也協調了慈濟也協調了那個台積電都進相當的工班都進去協助幫忙那麼地方政府也積極跟我們合作配合所以許多地方政府其實也派遣了許多的人力物力都在地方上面進行協助我們的替代役我們的那個警消的替代役也都進去協助了 |
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事實上許多的人都在這邊現場做很多的志工跟服務那個市長我希望你今天巡打的時候要注意兩個很重要的事情第一個台南跟嘉義到現在很多人的家裡還是殘破不堪的滿目倉儀的第二個今天還來得及我覺得今天該派下去的人力該有的物資要趕快趕快去賴清德總統去的第五天蔡平是埋怨說 |
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除了里長之外市政府人中央的觀點都沒有到啊所以我現在更進一步跟你講光是我我送環部光是一個役主我就送了三批耶民眾一些山津人士知道這個災情到了第五天看到賴總統去的時候民眾說要需要環部家裡是殘破不堪的已經第五天要多淒慘啊你想像你家裡面五天停電房子是殘破不堪的你怎麼住 |
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沒水又沒電 就是陳庭威今天講的 連通信有些都沒有欸像個孤島 那時候政府在哪裡包括一些媒體朋友 拜託你們一下 多報導好不好我送了三部環部過去他們帶已經第五天了 |
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民眾帶我去看他們家園殘破不堪那個路上電線可能不是吹倒耶是整個斷掉耶有一條路短短的我走不到30公尺大家看一下這個畫面 |
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這個不是吹不是吹倒是整個那個電線桿兩個電線桿這樣子整個被封整個吹倒一條路上十幾根電線桿旁邊就是雲溫一族是全台灣如雨最多的好多魚都死掉了你看那個黑暗的地方你看那個魚肉已經都浮上來了 |
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結果到今天今天他發現災情這麼嚴重的時候現在那個最後要擔心是什麼你家裡面如果現在屋頂是用環布蓋住市長現在如果又下大雨怎麼辦 |
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我們已經在之前就已經跟地方縣政府都已經通報過遇到相關的災害我們其實都已經有後備的那個收容中心都已經準備好事實上在那個週末的時候因為颱風的關係事實上已經請嘉義縣政府跟台南市政府準備好收容中心而且許多相關的那個受災戶也已經都到收容中心去了 |
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所以這些相關的準備其實我們都有準備好那我們也積極的去照顧所有的災民那政府也在7月18號我們就已經將相關的補助措施我們都已經通過也積極在跟地方政府合作那把發放慰問金跟整個後續的災害的準備跟修復包括我們剛才講的我們透過慈濟透過台積電還有許多的工班的協助我們不是只有蓋防布盤我們包括整個的災後的房屋的整個修繕 |
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作業我們整體都在進行當中就到目前為止還有好幾千戶家裡面都只是用帆布有些甚至到現在連帆布都沒有這多悲慘的一個狀況所以我今天我嚴正的要求趕快再增派人力去好不好物資趕快再進去我們會積極處理市長真的真的很丟臉啊你看一下這個情況我們會積極處理我們已經在積極處理政府還沒除過人力進去的時候詐騙集團已經進去了 |
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民眾 現在嘉義跟台南的民眾碰到什麼問題要找人來修護 要擺2個位沒有物料喔他們已經受災了超過兩個禮拜了現在要找人來修 要跟2個位要擺2個位要擺掉那些該有的材料也都沒有結果碰刺的是詐騙集團已經進去了你政府不做詐騙集團先趕進去了這框那個業者 |
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隨便幫你拉個環部騙走了19萬還不是一個個案這個案我們第一時間就掌握也抓到了第一時間我們掌握我們就抓到了所以我們不會讓民眾被騙我們也會保護所有民眾的安全部長你不會覺得很難過嗎很丟臉嗎這本是政府該做的事情如果政府早就把這個修站做好 |
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怎麼會有詐騙集團進去委員這是120年來我們第一次遇到的大災害我們會全力來協助對嘛這個就是我今天要提醒大家的嘛120年來的第一次從嘉義這個登陸是七級風 |
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停電超過一百萬戶一萬八千個家庭的房子到那時候殘破不堪政府到底那時候應該不只國精進去嘛要請全力去幫忙嘛結果就是因為救援太慢弄到現在現在家裡還有跟台南還有一些民眾 |
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我們從7月5號設置開始我們就不斷的派遣相關的軍力、民力還有各方的力量、志工、團體都進去裡面協助我想請委員就是我們一定全力去協助所有該做的事情也謝謝委員的指教剛講的是防止昨天陳平碑都看不下去跑出來講通訊有人受傷了因為信號不通 |
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來不及救助 救治人就不幸走了我等於上個禮拜 已經進入第二個禮拜了我上禮拜回嘉義 回去台南某些地方連我電話都接不到耶 我連賴都接不到耶總統可以當著民眾的面講說 郭國文有啊郭國文有只有一個中華電信啊其他兩家咧 |
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我跟你講 我的電話 我的手機也是中華電信啊很多地方 當然就接不到嘛我一直救災 要聯絡事情民眾看到災情 那民眾傳那個簡訊說可以提供一部分的經費趕快去買電鋸 為什麼要送電鋸樹倒 倒到一片你沒有電鋸鋸開 你怎麼去收拾那些倒下來的樹 |
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停電你要發電機要物資要環部電話打不通到上禮拜還是這樣子現在連陳廷輝昨天出來講在台南有些地方通信都還有問題相關的通訊設備我們都已經都已經協調各個電信廠商都已經進去了當然相關的電訊設備也都做積極的完成在處理當中所有的系統都在恢復當中 |
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我請那個農業部部長那個經濟部郭部長我今天就不問你了因為等一下我們會有立法會另外來問那個光電的這次污染這個問題你今天報告裡面經濟部今天報告裡面講到說光電板大部分已經整理差不多我實際跟他 給他看一下光電板的狀況嘉義啊有四個地方有水上的這個光電 |
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我去詢問就那個製縫紙上面做的那個這個已經是風災的第11天了我去的時候風災的第11天 你看右上角這是湖板 整個都已經飄到旁邊去了它本來是要承載那個光電板的變成這樣 右上角湖板都已經被打到那個岸邊去了右下角 |
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那個光電板 太陽能光電板整個翻過來了我去的時候已經是風災的第十一天了整理不到十分之一結果今天經濟部說大部分已經處理好了部長你說你說 我只是請你要盡快啦因為有次長在上禮拜來打詢的時候他講說99都已經處理好了這裡面兩個很大問題 第一個有沒有污染的問題 |
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在旁邊就是海喔 尤其是在宜溫然後在台南市那個光電板打上來 還把台南市的警察局的警車砸壞了好幾步很多家庭房子是被那個光電打到 還有人被打到所以一個是在安全的問題 設施的問題 第二個下面污染的問題 甚至錯誤的能源政策 你把核電停掉的時候 你要發展光電 |
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山上也是光電 海裡也是光電結果安全嗎?有汙染嗎?風災來了 你為什麼禁不起風吹呢?你事後趕快要整理啊 有汙染的問題啊雜商人的問題啊 整個能源政策怎麼改啊今天時間有限 |
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我就不再請教這個郭部長了我請回去趕快還有處理這個問題我知道等一下也有其他立委問這個題目這次颱風體檢了我們光電的這個一堆的弊病所以我們會追到底我請教陳部長剛剛還有民進黨立委還在造謠那個錢不過的事情就在預算裡面有一個霸王條款 |
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災害防救法第57條就是你剛剛講的以緩救急對不對你剛剛有講嘛你的基金有372億耶以緩救急就是在災害發生的時候災害最優先怎麼可能簽不過問題第二個我們行政院還有災害防救的這個今年的預算50億 |
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第二億倍薪80億怎麼可能出現錢不過啊你剛剛有講 你剛剛講說行政院要報到立法院對不對我給委員報告齁 |
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當初您刪了這個九千萬是公務撥補基金只要撥補基金的經費被刪了以後根據預算法第二十二條我們就不能動資二倍金除非經過立法院同意對嘛 所以你又一步說送立法院但是相對的就是說我送立法院的話要多久時間才能通過包括我們現在的最佳預算還躺在立法院另外我要跟委員報告喔 |
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天災的部分是非常急迫的以去年來講我們編27億結果最後是75億在那裡面我們就動資了22億的預備金很快的就能夠讓農民得到一些救助今年我們編了39億部長你不要誤導民眾你現在最直接我先問你最直接最直接的我覺得沒有誤導民眾現在救災的錢有沒有不夠你跟我講有沒有不夠我早點去講有沒有不夠但是這一次下去一定不夠 |
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這次完結束以後一定不夠你知道什麼時候風災再來而且下次為什麼就不夠我跟您等一下等一下等一下我跟您報告喔部長你對的情況你怎麼講你這是救災錢有少一毛錢不夠嗎我告訴你有沒有 |
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有沒有這雷馬錢不夠對著全國民眾講現在沒有不夠39億已經花了21億了畢竟這次台灣不算的已經花了21億根據過去我們現在32.5億的粗暴至少我們救助至少要40億第一個現在沒有不夠部長清清楚楚講對不對所以不要再造謠錢不夠的問題第二個我們講了第二代的大王銷款這一次 |
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災害防救法第57條所有各級機關的預算我跟委員報告災害防救法本身它是用非常多的不是只有農業災害防救法裡面所需要的錢不是只有給農業部的包括經濟部包括內政部包括你剛才講的那些民房的損失這些要救助然後災害防救法以農業部來講是以天然災害救助基金為主 |
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| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
我不夠的時候我也不能動思其他的基金的部分基金您剛才說的基金我們比去年多可是相對的這個基金裡面我們列的是什麼我們列的是對肥大額的補助我們列的是對子女眷居金的一個補助我們列的是對於所謂的那個貸款的一個現金的差額補助所以我們增加的經費是 |
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1369.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1385.351 |
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有他的用途不能說隨便就來挪來挪去我砍了那九千萬就是砍那個壞蛋超17彈花我們人民納稅錢5.3億的結果全部的基金372你一定講說救災不夠你其他錢用到什麼地方去了我告訴你你一直強調你一直強調糧食要我們 |
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1387.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1401.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
要增加公娘的經費我們在這次的預算裡面增加的又有一部分是糧食的經費所以每一項我們增加的經費都是有科目的我們不能說今天救災的我就挖洞牆補吸牆對嘛我砍了你九千臭雞蛋的錢嘛你為什麼說跟救災有關係當然有關係啊你怎麼聽不懂勒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1428.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
那個是農業發展基金的這個小基金裡面的你講的救助基金又是另外一個基金啊跟他們不一樣你怎麼亂湊我告訴你我再講最後一次當你刪了公務撥補基金你只要刪了以後所有的基金就當你經費不夠就不能用所謂的二倍金 |
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1429.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1445.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
除非說經過立法院同意所以你承認兩個基金不一樣了嘛對不對一個你沒有講的是說需要通過用第二億北京要經過立法院那你就送啊部長我告訴你 天來生你送到立法院如果第二億北京為了救災第二億北京沒過我張起來 吃掉立委 |
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1447.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
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我告訴你 天災有很高的不確定性當我們需要經費的時候 所有的經費我們如果直接報運 同意就可以用了如果今天還要透過立法院 還要經過程序委員會還要所有東西 還要表決那相對的那個時間上 沒辦法來得及啊所以我特別強調的 我只是講客觀的事實我絕對沒有造謠 |
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這就是造謠第一個你的錢到目前沒有一毛錢不夠對不對我說的是以後不夠的時候我說以後的第二個你一直在講我剛講災害防救法有各式各樣的用當然補貼農民救助農民這災害損失都是我跟委員報告齁最重要你一直在造謠補定補定我跟委員講你造謠的關鍵就是說第二億北京要送立法院那你要送啊 |
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我告訴你 我跟你強調天然災救助的時候它有它的高度不確定性我們的經費如果說還要再經過立法院同意我拿一點造謠 我拿一點造謠 |
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為什麼要講現在錢不夠的事情我告訴你我剛剛說以後不夠我們就是請行政院把第二預備金趕快送來立法院我們通過那我們不要再做這個問題再繼續爭議主席抱歉我可以報告一下第一個現在還不到用第二預備金現在錢就夠啦剛剛部長也承認了嘛所以鄰近黨立委在造謠這是第一個不要再造謠 |
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第二個你如果一直認為第二天一定要送以後嘛對不對不是這一次嘛我跟您報告現在的現在的速報是32.5億根據我們的經驗速報32.5億我們的災損要補助現金救助要補助至少超過40億柏定你過去四年每一年 |
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你的天然災害救濕基金每年都去追加嘛古泥就追了十幾億啊有什麼時候沒有過基金跟動物醫生不一樣基金是可以先用的喔你要救災你錢不過你先用完並結算過去都是這樣子包括去年追了十幾億美國農業部他們的地位還要造謠 |
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黑愛救急捏我跟以前從來沒有人刪這個公務撥補所以我們凍資二倍金可以直接去凍資現在不行啊所以去年度我們凍資了22億的第二預備金來救災特別是什麼特別是那個凱米、三坨耳跟康瑞颱風三個颱風我們損失了75億所以鼓勵 |
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你先用了四十幾億嘛因為你去年沒有被刪啊基金的用法就是你可以先用緊急狀況就先用因為你刪了啊 刪了就不能動惡背景 你就聽不懂啦然後並結算就夠啦你也在用這個方法啊對不對 有太多太多方法台灣的法治跟救災非常完整的沒有民進黨在那邊造謠什麼救基金不過這個事情我告訴你 我絕對沒有造謠喔我絕對沒有造謠 我只是把事實我把事實呈現而已啊 |
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是不是整個問題都清楚了沒有錢不夠對不對我說在今天這個時間點沒有錢不夠第三個你在講第一杯今天要送禮拜我說的是錢不夠的時候不能用我送來過你就下台好 謝謝抱歉大家今天有火氣啦我還是拜託大家到目前為止颱風第15天了我的嘉義鄉親還有很多人家裡面還是殘破不堪的 |
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很多修復的只放了帆布蓋在上面有些連修理都還沒修如果是你 你敢住在裡面嗎這是多麼無奈的一個事情台南更多耶結果政府 人民就求救了總統說國金沒辦法什麼事都做要社區去自救今天我們明確的要求包括內政部派更多人力 |
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國際線海關演習已經結束了還來得及 拜託一下趕快去多幫幫我們的災民趕快讓嘉義跟台南重建讓人民可以安居樂業回到正常生活 謝謝好 休息十分鐘 |