| IVOD_ID |
163172 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163172 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-16T13:13:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-16T13:39:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:26:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c9429a73bae53e077b6893f6541a9501b1d72feb9295bd2c884a04f466868892925ffb17d10bc285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:13:07 - 13:39:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、經濟部部長、海洋委員會、農業部、內政部、國防部、金融監督管理委員會針對「光電設施對環境影響情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝主席 請部長 請社長 請約束我接續剛才陳副委員的這個垂詢基本上不管是電力共生與電力共生 我昨天 |
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我今天才邀請了三個日本的朋友一個是來到台灣設立格拉斯利飯店的總經理歐里桑另外一個是這個安斯巴的那個總裁他們都到台灣來投資然後他們對台灣的這些漁產基本上非常的喜歡也重視然後把他帶到台灣釣就口湖那一場我想這我要講副長應該很清楚 |
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這個老闆很驕傲跟他講說其實有很多的台灣的養殖過程裡面其實是日本的技術但是我們到真正養殖的地方那個餘溫的上面有這個太陽光電板這是老闆直接主動講出來還有有設這個太陽光電板台灣的育成率更穩定更安全那我就必須要這麼講這是餘領 |
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他本身也跟很多漁民來棄養然後也有漁電工生、電魚工生當大家一直在污衊這種綠能燙光電的過程裡面 |
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我真的是要特別拜託環境部部長,還有我們經濟部林次長,還有漁業署,甚至包括農政單位,應該第一時間要站出來,甚至連台積電都要邀來,台積電買了多少綠電,夠嗎?夠嗎?所以當國家政策往這方向在走, |
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然後相關的漁民有受益的情況之下那怎麼一個政策的導引然後實際上的實施狀況大家有這樣的感受是正向的時候怎麼好像我們都很靦腆的不敢去對外去講清楚 |
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我覺得這不對啦我希望這個部分我是不是特決在這邊做一個具體的這樣一個要求啦好不好好 次長跟副長先請回副長就留下了那請那署長上來啦臨時請回 臨時請回我剛剛也因為聽到前面幾位委員的這樣一個吹詢裡面很清楚他能光電到底會不會造成這一個損害之後會不會造成這一個 |
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會不會有害的物質去沉澱到大海去沉澱到什麼地方去然後這是大家外界的疑慮那我聽部長還有聽次長的講話有做過相關的一些這樣的一個抽檢嘛然後經過幾天之後來做一個處理看那個水質基本上都還是在標準內嘛都標準內但是我應該這麼講就是說當台灣 |
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從去年來了三個颱風那現在今年度來了第一個颱風聽說等一下這幾天又會有第二個颱風到底會來幾個颱風在極端氣候不穩定的這樣的一個氣候的一個狀態散之下我們現在看到的當然有一些都符合標準的數據但是當這樣的經常性的情況一直在發生的時候會不會 |
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會不會卻有意外還是沒有不可抗力的因素的情況之下導致有問題的產生這個大家必須要講清楚 |
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報告委其實基本上太陽光電板它本身是無害的但是它如果變成廢棄物的時候就變成失業廢棄物那失業廢棄物它絕對不能堆在旁邊然後它一定要把它清除掉用失業廢棄物那它其實可以循環去化的那從它本身來說的話是無害的 |
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但是它其實你可以想說任何一個廢棄物丟到一個環境裡面反走過必留下痕跡所以我們一定要把它清除一定會有一點些微的影響但是目前來看的話包含了這個經濟部有做我們有做其實目前對環境立即的影響是比較低的但是如果長期來看的話我們還是不希望有這樣的東西跟我們的大自然裡面廢棄的在那個地方存在的 |
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好 一定會有影響嘛 對不對 蠍尾的影響它還是叫做影響嘛 對不對但累積到一定程度的情況之下那就不是蠍尾的影響了可能各地可能很多地方處理不善就好比說去化處理不當的情況之下可能那個影響就不叫做蠍尾的影響囉會不會這樣發生嘛 對不對我們先要預估這種情境會不會產生嘛我在今年的4月28號的時候在追當時106年運線的一個倉庫嘛 被發現 |
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儲存將近4000桶50加侖的碳能供電板的這是切消役嘛那時候署長部長都有打呼我那當然打呼的不是很完整後來有在透過公文在跟我做打呼應該也跟委員會都有報告過這個產業從103年開始違法對峙這個廢役造成惡臭甚至於捅破還有切消役洩漏污染我不只多次追蹤還希望環保署來正視這個問題 |
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所以政府逐漸的開始完備整個太陽能板的製作使用以及回收的規範例如你們有訂定太陽能光電發電設備模組回收會用收支保管機運用作為要點對不對來規定每張太陽能板出產後10年內分10年內要繳納回收費沒有錯嗎這個是對岸產 |
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這個是對案場 對一般家戶那目前在我們如果是家戶呢 他的屋頂有時候他是由我們的這個案場他去裝設那這樣的話呢 他的清除處理呢 還是還是由這個案場要去負責 |
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那你只是回答我一小部分嘛就是暗藏去鑽設的 只裝在家戶所以他會自己處理嘛因為他有繳了十年這個處理的費用嘛對不對好 如果不是暗藏呢 |
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那有一些他不是在案場少數可能是家戶你講少數你要負責任講包委員他只要裝的在申請核准的時候呢他每K瓦就要繳一千元不管他是裝在哪裡只要跟台電裝了這個系統跟台電並聯發電了那他就要受這個規範好署長你既然上來那你就講清楚一點那一般的案場就是說到時候要回收的時候因為有繳這些回收我會用 |
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會跟特定的回收業者來做這樣的一個回收程序嘛對不對那目前屋頂的小暗場其實也不是住家設的都是那個廠商他去包這個屋頂來設的當然是廠商啊當然不可能是自己去設碳纖維電板這個我們很清楚嘛好但是一般家戶設的這個暗場是廠家去設的碳纖維電板萬一就像颱風這個狀況發生了然後損害了那誰來處理就是那個設置的廠商 |
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是不是廠商主動來請回收廠商去處理我是這個家戶使用太陽能關電板我就直接聯絡這個廠商那這個廠商就找回收業者來做處理是這樣嗎?是的,因為那個太陽能板就是那個廠商的你講錯了喔你講錯了,我現在在講很清楚要跟你討論前端的事情我們就不再贅述現在講後端的處置如果家戶的太陽能關電板可以這麼處理我們那署長回答我都不是這樣怎麼跟你南沿北側 |
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我們跟能源署的那個做法還有是一樣的你上次講的跟這次講的原本就不太有一樣怎麼會有一樣部長聽了都在笑了 |
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那時候你跟我們講說清潔隊可以去收就是說可能有一些民眾他自己會上網買自己就裝一個自己在用那我們這次其實風災也有看到的確有一兩片目前我們統計到就一兩片是民眾自己拿出來說給清潔隊用清潔隊來收那因為量很少所以他給清潔隊之後那我們就會來處理 |
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那我們是跟經濟隊員說 如果你有收到 那我們後端的處理管道是沒有問題的你就放在你的暫存廠裡面 後端的處理費用會來支付如果你有收到 那現在是因為風災 那有一兩片 有大概是三片是環保局這邊有收到的李代署長你聽清楚嘛你聽清楚嘛對不對 到底是誰收 講清楚 |
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我現在在講一個是大案場、中案場、小案場一個是家戶型的攤子、光碟板誰裝的已經不是重點了對不對?部長講說自己去買的一兩片你們這裡有很多去看到的一兩片我都沒看到大家在求責要在美國時間去看到這兩片自己找去買沒關係 |
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是怎麼處理是要一次規定嘛你的要點要全部通通要適用才對嘛但是現在講法李署長你的講法跟我們賴署長講法就是不一樣就是不一樣啊其實是一樣就是不一樣了怎麼會一樣處理後端我們再處理前端 |
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也就是說他在設置的時候他都是要繳每KY一千元的後製的處理費這個責任是在這個裝置的廠商也就是他的所有錢源剛才講後端是說他如果被摧壞了那那個人那個民眾如果就把他拿去這個回收了 |
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就是他拿去回收那這時候我們的回收隊會回收但是回收回去他們會集中的去把它處理但是這個責任並沒有說廠商就沒有責任或是不回收他只是在執行的實務有的時候就在研究處訂啊就下來啊就拿去等了啊這時候我們環保機關不會說我不收我不收他會把它收回去再另外做處理 |
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但是那一個責任其實是那一個所有權人、廠商的責任所以是頭到尾啦你剛才你自己覺得你講話有跟我衝突嗎?我最少聽到這樣 |
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他在廠商來修,但是應該是廠商的責任,那是他的東西嘛你剛才說他自己提供回收嘛,不然你還提供環保局來修嘛到底是要自己提供回收,還是環保局來回收嘛還是處理的回收,是他正式的這間公司要派人來回收嘛 |
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我們一般來講都是屬於藥油業者他為的收入 一般是這樣子 |
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那因為這次是風災 所以我們特地有跟這個環保局來通知緊急情況 請地方公所 清潔隊 環保局去處理這個不是常態我現在跟你講的是一個常態的狀況嘛你們到底怎麼處理啊 |
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唐太是要有業者因為當時那一千塊也是業者繳所以他要去回收去做處理那是業者的責任但是這次因為風災有的他住在那裡於是他就把他拿去丟掉了這個時候是後面的環保機關也會把他拿去回收為什麼這個屋主因為颱風把他的碳冷關電板摧弱了 |
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這個屋主怎麼會有那個觀念跟作為就把他的貪婪觀念板拿去丟掉他怎麼不會通知跟他裝飾貪婪板的業者跟他講說我這裡落地 讓人家落沙地純不中說的你要派人來給我回收正常他這樣子也可以啦齁 |
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整個是他拿去丟掉也可以然後他通知裝設他的業者來回收也可以你怎麼會有兩個也可以他的責任是在這個安裝廠商的身上要拿去丟但是如果這一個住戶他直接就壞了他把他拿去丟後面是說他也會收來處理但是那個一千元每K瓦的一千元的費用是這個廠商他已經繳進去了現在感覺是說算了那一塊不要丟掉啦 |
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照你來講啦 那個住戶沒有去做 廠商就要做這件事喔 甘要斷掉嘛你到底是斷掉 還是要拿去回收就回收嘛 你這說得清楚了 斷掉是當作廢棄物的啊 廢棄物就當然 公所情結對方不叫要給他修啊 是是那叫做斷掉啊 正常情況下是他要拿去修啊 啊 廢修就沒工啊啊你現在到底你要把全國百姓公家戶的太陽能光電板 繞一塊 拍兩塊 拍五塊 |
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到底是處處可以自己去探調 還是要通緝創新的業者來做回收的動作你自己說清楚啊 你這樣說叫做也可以 我就聽不到就對了我相信在座所有的官員都是我的同仁 看聽得到嗎責任在那個廠商是廠商要去負責回收 |
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很清楚喔那為什麼被裝設家戶的這個屋主他可以拿去丟掉為什麼賴署長還跟我講他會去溝通地方環保局跟清潔隊還是要去債 |
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那個委員可能是因為這個這個制度從108年開始就過了十幾年前以前還有那個自己去買的都有啊現在有的還有啊都沒有在我們的列管裡面部長你不能一直跟我講說自己去買啦你自己去買是看到一兩塊而已你現在跟我講從108年到現在自己去買有多少比例那我們現在來來來來來來農業署你現在給我個數據來 |
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所有的有暗藏的到底目前在台灣裝修的面積數量是多少家戶的又是多少來部長自己講的一直講自己去買的自己去買的比例又佔多少投機數字馬上公開啊然後你從暗藏怎麼處理家戶你怎麼處理你自己去買又怎麼處理你跟全國民眾講清楚啊 |
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是 那個我們現在總共全國的太陽光電的安裝量是14.7GW那除了地面型以外 剛才講的其實是屋頂型的屋頂型大概有8.多GW的裝置 將近9的裝置容量那當然這個是Total的容量那剛才部長講的是 我們有一些是很早期因為太陽光電大概已經推動超過十幾年 |
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那些可能在早期的並沒有做特別的登記管理或是要繳交回收費用會有那樣的那我們這個回收制度訂了以後就所有新設的都有這個裝置的廠商他要繳交相關的費用那他也要負起回收的責任一個政策已經執行十多年了那應該統一的一個規範回收的作業要點基本上不管你是什麼廠 |
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不管你大小廠啦不管你自己選購的啦不管你自己裝設的啦我想都要有一致處理的標準啦那如果是因地制宜 |
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還是說什麼樣的一個情況,那或許就另外有所規範嘛對不對,有所處置的方式嘛那我現在聽你講,坦白講已經超過時間了我聽你講到目前為止就是沒有一致性啊,這不對啊但台灣在推動綠能、推動光電的過程裡面連這一個整個回收都還沒有辦法一致性的處理你對國人是沒有辦法交代的啦 |
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你這個會被挑戰啦台灣又清場了這麼多颱風啦掉下來之後 這是秋霜要去恢修的這是他自己買的 我不相信你會像寶釘這樣搬啊你為什麼要搬 怎麼可以這樣搬啊那自己買的不是很多 你15年以前就對了嘛差不多都要脫太掉了嘛都要換 要更新了嘛你站在光天的 中央機關裡面你對這些15億當前的 到現在還沒換到現在還沒更新的 你要怎麼處理嘛 |
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你要去調查嗎?你要去盤查嗎?你要去把制度定好嗎?我們這邊來檢討啦因為我們現在未來那個修廢清法這個部分的這個管理會更統一啦這個我們來我們雄安署跟能源署來協調好一個月內可以吧把統一標準訂定出來部長我要求一個月還算給你們很寬裕的時間 |
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一下又要另外一個颱風來像去年連續三個你怎麼去因應你後面昨天昨天的報導部長你自己講的加以台南因這次颱風損害的太陽光電板約兩千多噸 |
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兩千多噸,你說會在一個月內處理完成,對不對?一個多月啦,去化啦這個把被棄物壞掉的收集,然後送到去化回收的這個廠一個廠要一個半月左右你如果要說一個多月,是一個月一天還是一個月三十?一個半月啦,要一個半月啦,目前初估啦 |
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我們不要再發生過去像灰輪胎的事件了那時候你還沒有來當部長你應該知道嘛也灰灰洋洋的對不對那到時候也回收啊也都可以處理啊後來發生什麼事情大家都很清楚還有悶燒的還有大火整個燒到面目全灰的然後回收場沒辦法收然後進到這個汽車維修場然後最後堆置在田間堆置在大馬路邊台灣好像是灰輪胎國家 |
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你不要到時候台灣變成一個會太陽能光電板的國家那能源署跟環境部來講就真的是會會被民眾很大的這樣一個挑戰因為現在就兩千多噸了你如果再來一次又要多給幾噸 |
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真的都可以處理完嗎然後你們自己講說你們自己講說預估啦齁203你們環境部是估2032年他能光電板自然老舊鈦換的匯氣量可能會達到一年一萬噸以上是這你們抓出來的東西嗎五萬噸啦要五萬噸喔五萬噸以上嗎對對對啊我們現在量的人大概一個月大概四千多噸啦那未來應該會再提升好所以部長要把握 |
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目前照這個現在的因為還有很多的業者想做這塊是在申請那因為這個太陽光電板我們希望可以全循環我們我們發生過會這個會計輪胎企劃的問題很嚴重的影響到台灣很多地方的環境是我們過去也處理過農業會農氣的問題一下子廠家廠家可以做一下廠家做的不符合規定一下子一下子一下子是多久已經報半年一年完全沒辦法收 |
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你不要到時候台灣觀念板的去化跟回收又出現這些問題委員這個我上禮拜六有去特別去看這些廠商啦所以我們會持續的在了解然後也在督促他們啦好 謝謝 這裡就是一個約內啦 好不好那個就抱歉啦 好不好 請等我林次 林次到你後來不要亂走經濟部林次長 |
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賴市長,賴市長,賴市長,對不起喔,我把想到賴署長,我一直叫你來,叫你來,嘿嘿,我都改了,不好意思,好,我也好,我也好,這,這,這出錯了啦,我講的怎麼變這樣,嘿,看到你才去緊張喔,對啊,他能推動喔,這個,這個過程裡面,我想,很多,很多,姿勢節節的事情,剛剛你也聽到,整個太陽能關電板的回收,如果這個樣子的問題, |
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真的不趕快統一整合一套的方式出來是真的會被挑戰這是其一還有先到後續處理去化整個的這個量能的穩定性這個要請賴次一定要一定要非常非常的進入到這樣的一個實質的一個整個整個整個掌控那第二件事情我覺得有點好奇我們一直在推動太陽能那為什麼太陽能熱水器 |
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我們現在不做補助了你知道這個事情嗎太陽能熱水器會被颱風吹走太陽能熱水器早期在開發的時候它是有補助的那後來停止補助是因為它的技術已經成熟而且它自己就有效益所以政府就沒有再補助了那我們很多的電氣冰箱 |
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它都不成熟所以我們持續經濟部一直在補助我們的冰箱會持續跳電因為不成熟我們的冷氣會持續斷電因為不成熟所以政府就必須要持續補助然後太陽能這個熱水器我們在推太陽能然後這個太陽能熱水器已經成熟了所以他們就去致死其利你的邏輯 |
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你今天你待會說你今天講話一些邏輯我也被你有點謝謝謝謝委員指導我們現在希望說屋頂型的部分啊來加速來推動剛剛委員的這個建議我們納入整體來做評估可以嗎不是因為我們一直要朝向這個綠能的占比嘛對不對這個不是其一嗎那你說因為它成熟所以就取消了 |
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然後你其他的電器什麼冷氣都還是連續好幾年那個你敢講那些不成熟嗎你講不出來嘛那各大品牌嘛對不對 |
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所以委員我會跟能源署一起來檢討包括怎麼樣去有序的推動綠能之外對屋頂型的部分能不能有一些經濟的作為我只是在想啦是不是可以盡快讓這樣的那個你們要達到的目標可以達成嘛那為什麼你們要放棄這一塊這個是不是有相關的統計數據可以讓我們做參考嘛然後也希望兩個星期內是不是可以研究相關的一些因應的辦法作為嘛好不好好謝謝最後一件事情 |
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跟這次丹娜斯強豪雨造成 我知道我們雲家人應該整條澳東 應該是三千幾三千四百五十五根三千幾 還要更多 當時統計是兩千多 現在是三千多了然後累積停電一百萬戶嘛 對不對動員全國各區超過九成搶修人力 超過兩千人集中到此次的停電災區進行這個復電搶修嘛 |
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各位應該知道一天沒有電還好兩天沒有電就不是很好第三天都還沒有電冰箱裡面的東西全部都倒出來有時候你連馬桶都沒辦法上 |
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那個是那個煎熬,然後這種天氣,露乎,露乎,涼涼的還會滴過,那個天氣我們熱到你真的是整個心肝灰燼啦,啊,裡面你手腳過程裡面,所以韌性的這樣的一個電力的配置,真的刻不容緩啦。 |
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真的刻不容緩尤其像雲嘉嵐原來地區甚至於我們雲林的山線就像古耕鄉那些台北去搶救他不是只有去爬到電線桿他還要去搬石頭因為都有落石山路絕對都有落石的然後你知道我們那邊有個村長草原村長上一次上一次颱風他幫台電能源排除那些滑落的石頭三天三夜都沒睡 |
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他剛才跟我說,你還沒起來給我看,不可能看不見你啊。沒有,沒有在唱啊,沒有在唱電啊,大陣子的車甘奔起來啊,不管是大陣子的動力還是外包起來啊,就站在一旁就還在那裡啊,也沒有機械啊。你還叫人家去補點酒頭,補到來就在那裡,腳都手軟了,還有開到北京的家庭,北京的家庭你看啊,那都不可能啦。 |
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所以電線的地下化我們也不是現在才講也是講很久很久了啦齁那我真的希望那次今天來就把這個事情列為首要啦齁這其一啦那其二不管是台電的同仁還是外包的這些工作的這些辛苦的人員是不是給他們有一定的這樣的一個鼓勵啦 |
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這次當然是颱風之後 部長特別調整他自己的行程然後去跟台電工會去慰問在當下有跟工會討論到這個問題 |
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現今我們對於台電搶修的人員除了他執勤中搶修的作業危險的家籍還有包括什麼物產費這些都有當然我們希望說短期裡面我們所有弟兄希望剩下的1122戶趕快復電之外這是我們唯一的信念但是以經濟部跟台電公司的立場 |
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而言的話我們會對於我們所有的國營事業包括特別是台電公司現在在鋪在外面搶修的這個員工如何照委員的建議給他更優渥的這個部分我們單大師的專案獎金可以對台電的同仁鼓勵對外包的工作人員鼓勵嗎可以嗎我們來研究好不好拜託拜託儘快好不好好可以謝謝喔市長好謝謝來謝謝趙委好謝謝劉建國趙委 |