| IVOD_ID |
163148 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163148 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-16T10:32:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-16T10:42:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c9429a73bae53e0a08c4ec810568480fb5ecc7f4746d3221403755ec74c720113c5f764d90b48005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:59 - 10:42:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長、國家安全局局長、經濟部次長、財政部次長、農業部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表報告「台美對等關稅談判進度、預期成果、對我國可能之衝擊及因應策略」，並備質詢。） |
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麻煩有請外交部政次、經濟部次長 |
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委員長兩位早時間的關係不一一問候我們目前為止在對美的談判上基本的立場全民都願意做政府的後盾爭取談判到最好的條件這毋庸置疑這個是我們討論問題最基本的基礎在這個基礎上面我前一段時間跟我在法學界過去 |
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一起合作過的朋友我問了他們說目前台美在這麼重要的經貿談判的過程當中應該要進行什麼法律程序為什麼我會說很重要 |
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從國防、從外交、從經濟、從農業各方面大概有史以來台灣不會有這麼大衝擊的一個協議但目前為止我們都是非常片面的從媒體上面得到有說本於沒有說的訊息 |
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在整個對外談判的過程當中我相信台灣是一個民主國家一個民主國家應該要踐行的程序還是要踐行因為它會牽涉到了非常多人民他們的生計以及我們到底要付出什麼樣子的代價我具體的請教在目前我們對外談判對美談判上面 |
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我們是在走協議的程序走條約的程序還是走協定的程序 |
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對於這個問題還是要雙方的達成協定那我先評一下 條約締結法第三條跟第八條的規定是 條約締結法第三條就有關於涉及到國防外交財政經濟上面的利益這個沒有問題 這個是國家重要的事項不會有人否認這件事所以是不是應該要走條約的程序這我們請我們的條法師來回答 |
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報告委員,這個根據條例第3條跟第8條的相關規定喔這主要是由主辦機關來認定說誰是主辦機關?就看這個案子本身的主辦機關對啊,現在這個案子的主辦機關是誰?這個我並不變,不變也有這個條法是來回答你不變回答,來請外交部長,現在這個案子的主辦機關是誰?報告委員,外交部長不在,我是次長 |
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所以今天次長沒有辦法回答外交部權責應該要回答的問題是不是沒有我們這個還是我們這個談判團隊現在的談判團隊沒有啦你現在剛剛你前一個人跟我說這要看主辦機關嗎那我現在非常具體的問主辦機關是誰你說是外交部嗎如果是外交部主辦的話這到底是你們現在這個應該是符合條約的要件嗎這個沒有問題吧還是你們連這個現在都沒有辦法承認 |
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我們現在還沒有辦法 但是如果說到時候我再唸一次 到現在還沒有辦法 我再唸一次條約立決法第三條的規定涉及到國防外交財政經濟上利益等國家重要事項目前台美之間這麼重要的協議不符合這個要件嗎 |
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這個有這麼複雜嗎這還在談判的過程之中所以你認為說這不涉及到我們財政經濟上面重要的利益這大概牽涉到相關的最大的利益有涉及還是沒涉及有涉及那有涉及不就是條約嗎但是他用的具體的名稱是用條約還是協定我想這還是要請你看一下條約締結法第三條好不好符合下面要件之一就是條約了 |
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阿你還在這邊打迷糊帳符不符合條約締結法第三條所定義應該要遵循條約的程序我們由這個調法師來做阿剛剛他就不敢講話啦報告委員最主要是因為現在還在談判的過程中所以呢不知道會不會涉及財政經濟上面的國家重要事項蛤 到現在還不知道到現在還不知道 |
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如果不知道的話會引發國內這麼高的關注鄭麗君副院長有必要帶團去美國台灣是一個民主法治的國家我再提醒一次如果連今天這個基本的問題都沒有辦法回答的話下面的就更困難什麼叫下面的更困難來看一下當初蔡英文前總統她是怎麼說的 |
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國家對岸貿易談判上從開啟談判 談判過程與談判結果的協議的審議都應該有國會的參與 同不同意同意不同意 是當然同意嘛 現在有嗎現在我們就是像我們今天來這個大院備詢其實就是一個全部來打空話就是當初蔡英文所講的開啟談判 談判過程都有國會的參與 |
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是喔 當初蔡英文是這個意思喔真的是這樣嗎來 再往下看賴清德說一個對台灣政治經濟層面影響深遠的協議是以前以黑箱的方式沒有審慎評估各行各業所受的衝擊就送到國會這個就是指的是什麼 台灣才要送到國會啦這個是獨裁的心態賴清德講的贊不贊成 |
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我們絕對尊重這個國會審議尊重國會審議嘛對啊 但今天國會問你到底是不是用條約的方式去進行審議連程序的問題都不敢回答再往下看這是鄭麗君當年講的 |
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不是只有簽署之後的監督啊簽署之前的談判過程就要讓社會參與社會協商利害關係人必須被充分告知資訊政府必須要有衝擊影響評估報告國會必須要了解跟參與啊 這樣不贊成贊成 贊成 有做到嗎 有現在都有做到 是哇 你們還真敢講欸 我們經濟部也有你們還真的真敢講欸 對現在問所有的事情 全部 |
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我們都還是在協商當中要爭取國家最高的利益我剛一開始就開宗明義講了全國人民當政府的後盾爭取國家最高的利益當然嘛當然那講了這兩句話了以後就是鄭麗君剛剛當初所講的喔談判之前談判中應該要有的參與喔來再帶你複習一下當初林佳龍啊是怎麼講的在談判的時候為什麼要有民間為什麼要有國會的參與 |
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這個對於台灣民主制度的尊重非常非常的重要我不希望到最後到最後被宣布的時候宣布的具體內容事前事終沒有國會跟公民社會的參與今天川普總統其實應該算去天應該算昨天 |
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在他的社交平台宣布了跟印尼達成的協議給他19%沒有錯看起來好像很好但是付出的代價是什麼付出的代價是150億美元能源的採購45億農產品的採購50價坡因而且要對美產品全面開放零關稅這個代價你覺得高不高很高很高台灣的代價會這麼高嗎不知道 |
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我們希望這是一個我們整個總體經濟轉型的一部分之前也說到的是說我們希望這是一個優化我國的經貿體制的一個經濟所以你的評論只有這樣?我剛剛你說印尼負的代價很高我現在具體的問題台灣會不會負這麼高的代價? |
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這個在談判的過程之中說個實在的委員也知道這裡面還有很多的不確定性那最後齁談判條件的底線由誰決定賴清德總統自己拍板嗎這個由這個經貿談判小組經貿談判小組有這麼高的權限嗎沒有總統的授權可以簽下去可以答應嗎當然需要總統的授權對不對最後需要總統的授權嗎最後一個問題啦 |
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鄭麗君回來的時候在公開資訊上因為我也沒什麼其他特殊的管道了她說雙方仍在洽談下一次實體談判的時間下一次實體談判的時間現在訂了沒有這我沒有相關的資訊經濟部有沒有相關的資訊8月1號之前經濟部有沒有相關的資訊下一次實體談判的時間雙方還在磋商目前還在磋商嗎還在磋商 |