| IVOD_ID |
163147 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163147 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-16T10:23:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-16T10:37:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c9429a73bae53e0fec5a833a667bf2c9598e56ead14a87f1403755ec74c7201bb206ea06e1c8f725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:27 - 10:37:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、衛生福利部部長、內政部警政署署長、教育部、勞動部、內政部移民署率所屬相關單位列席就「保護令不是萬能的?!如何避免憾事再度發生。家庭暴力防治法保護令核發，研析配套措施之檢討與精進，並提供相關統計數據」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝張委員 我們是請這個衛福部麻煩次長請這個移民署麻煩移民署委員好好 次長是請教一下現在對這個法院核定的這個 |
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暫時保護令還有通常保護令的時間20幾天跟50幾天站在衛福部的立場這個數字你的感覺是什麼報告委員我們站在我們立場首先必須要講一下就是說所有我們這些網絡合作大家都是齊心協力關於這個部分站在我們的立場當然希望能夠加快 |
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就是說整個的時間上面能夠來加快但是這個裡面我們也知道整個檢察官還有法官他們在審酌相關的這一個部分它確實需要更多的一些整個資料這個緊急的是2到3個小時對 沒錯 緊急的話是2到3個小時那這個暫時要到23天依照你的了解 或者是部里頭同仁的了解這個為什麼要這麼久 |
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緊急規定四個小時以內而且他就是有立即發聲可以在電話通訊上面處理是快速的那也不用太多的舉證但是暫時保護令跟通常保護令如果他申請的款項越多他舉證市民的內容要更多而且他要開會審理就是開庭審理所以你們可以接受 |
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按照站在備案立場我們當然是越快越好但是法官他在審理上面他有他的職權那這個部分我們是當然是一直在要求也在每次的會議裡頭也跟司法院拜託是不過司法院有他的理由問你接不接受我們可以理解啦你們可以理解 |
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就是說衛福部針對這種暫時保護令跟通常保護令二十幾天到五十幾天站在衛福部的角度你們是可以接受的不是 包委員我們當然是希望能夠對被害人來說當然是希望能夠趕快啦但是這裡面確實就是說裡面有一些相關的就是說趕快跟這個數字之間你認為癥結在哪裡 |
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是這個當事人這個被害人啊他舉證啊或者是更是更的這一個提出了相關的說明啊或者是他的申請啊這一類的對法官來說啊哇你每次都不完整啊我就跟他調查 |
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我法官也很忙,要叫我們裁決,我資料都沒夠,你們說的都一言兩語當然時間也會拖很久是這樣嗎?所以我們就會...等一下,是不是這樣?嗯,沒錯啦是嗎?那問題就出在你們啦你們要協助啊?是,沒錯啦如果讓那個當事人自己去跟法院去對這些東西啊 |
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他有可能去退所以這樣的時間當然會拉很長嘛對不對那這個對法院來說這個案子他也不可能為了你一個案件 |
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專注在一個案子處理起來因為他手上一定很多案子要採所以這個是可能這個衛務部也要跟這個當事人這樣的一個機制能縮短我覺得這個縮短不在法院縮短應該是衛務部協助的讓他能夠這個大家對上的這個速度更快第二個衛務部判斷應該申請保護令而沒有去申請的 |
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應該申請保護令喔而他沒有去申請他可能很怕去申請他申請了會繼續被打如果我去申請結果被那個這個打我的人知道說你竟然給我申請他會怕嗎或者是這一個壞人啊這個加害人直接跟那個備案講說你去給我申請看看聽說你有要申請你就給我申請看看申請一次打一次就這樣 |
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你們判斷這種第一個他不知道要申請或者是他威脅不能申請的黑數所以我們現在這個司法院那裡都有統計就是每年幾件幾件那你衛福部站在你們的角度你認為這個黑數大概會有多少 |
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應該逐年有降低因為大家開始宣導然後但是的確還是存在有這個所謂的權控關係甚至呢有這個威脅恐嚇那特別是因為他們的是一個家庭成員關係基於面子問題當然有考量到如果一旦申請之後這件事情就已經是公諸於世了那可能他後續有一些擔心疑慮就如剛才委員所說的的確是有我建議啦 |
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衛福部看委託什麼學校的老師把這個黑數了解一下 |
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這個黑數一定存在那存在的原因大概了解一下讓自己能夠知道說不要只看到司法院那個數字司法院那個數字已經拿進去申請了嘛那有一些他就不敢去申請嘛的這一個數字好 接下來請教因為我在很多的這個部位的報告裡頭看到說你們都要督導直轄市政府縣市政府 |
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那你們督導 所以實際上負責這一些相關的這種保護令 相關這種輔導聽起來都在縣市政府 是這樣嗎是的 沒錯 包委我們現在目前就中央這邊我們衛福部事實上是有關於這個相關的政策跟法律啦但是持續的執行地方的話就是說有那個社會局裡面還有家庭暴力防治中心但是事實上這事實上是一個整個網絡這個除了以家防為中心事實上我們也需要警政的這個同仁 |
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各別的個案,各縣市政府如果沒有做好的話,你們怎麼督導?在這裡面我們會有一些相關的考核,像是那個社政考核,還有教育訓練比如說今天早晚排這個會議 |
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像這樣的一個很明確的這個個案站在衛福部的角度衛福部一定會問這個縣市政府嘛沒錯 包委我們就是在禮拜三我們才剛召開一次請新北來說幾句話衛福部一定會請這個縣市政府說明這一個個案嘛然後這個縣市政府的社會局過去在這個個案裡頭做了什麼事嘛沒有什麼需要精進的作為嘛 |
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那請問這個個案現在的縣市政府他們的社會局過去處置的作為是一個通案的處理還是這個案子有比較不一樣 |
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跟委員說明這個案子是一般案件有親密關係暴力案件的一個縮影也就是它是一個通案那我們在處理上面分兩個部分我不講你們我說這個縣市政府這個是一個通案就是說發生在各個縣市政府那相關地方政府的社會局也都是這樣子處理的所以這個案子在你們看起來 |
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這個縣市政府的社會局在這個案子裡頭就只是這個地方政府他們裡頭的一個通案之一啦是是這樣講沒有錯嘛好那這樣子的話就是說這是一個通案那也發生了所以站在部裡頭的立場那你們總是要有作為嗎我們有訂一個叫做重大家庭暴力案件的一個檢討的一個計畫我是說它是一個通案那也發生如果它今天是一個個案 |
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我們沒有必要討論討論個案是沒有意義的討論個案就大家開始推說這個縣市政府的社會局在搞什麼東西這個衛福部在搞這是個案嘛但是我們現在討論的是一個通案那通案也發生悲劇喔現在這個是一個通案那也發生悲劇所以站在部裡頭的立場總是要去改變的而不是說找來縣市政府大家來開個會我們考核一下 評鑑一下然後呢這個找幾個專家 |
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怎麼學者專家去輔導弄完之後做個會議記錄結案這個事情還是沒有解決因為這一個通案還是發生了悲劇嘛 |
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報告委員其實我們在事後有一些檢討其實最主要事實上就是陳如剛委員所說的這個通案的機制那這個機制裡面最主要就是說保護令當然是由這個法官他來裁定可是事實上就是說在整個檢察官他到底要不要就法官檢察官要不要提起之前 |
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事實上有兩兆的這個資料一個是左邊就是警察警察要提供一些相關的一些一些案件還有社工這邊我們其實事實上他也要提供更詳細的譬如說他的家庭背景還有事件發生的這案子也有可能 |
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社工都還沒介入嘛我不知道這個案子啦我說這種案子有可能社工從頭到尾也不知道嘛因為它就發生在家庭內部社工也不知道所以你要請社工提供什麼其實難度也很高啦我說這個案子如果既然是一個通案最後也發生了悲劇那顯然就是部裡頭的相關的機制要調整沒錯這個是好 接下來我請教這個移民署啊好 謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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這移民署因為你們的報告裡頭也有提到關於這個可能是新住民這身份的人他們有受到相關他們有申請保護令的這些課題嗎我看你們各案都有十十幾件 |
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請問這個新住民朋友在台灣啊受到家暴他們知道申請保護令嗎我們都會在宣導我們在服務站都有辦應該是這樣我們新住民一來的時候我們都會有關懷訪視那如果說也會做一些相關的法律宣導那每個服務站定期會辦一些講座的話那有關家暴的那些宣導都是在那個講座裡面都會做這一方面的宣導沒有那參與的人數很少嘛 |
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我們會另外我們有培立網那網站上也會有包括新住民培立網是網站跟實體上的多元的啦多元也有多元的這個加報了這些類似的保護令的申請的方式有我們在新住民培立網上會有那你們覺得現在這個事實起見是合理的嗎 |
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我們是盡量啦因為就像委員講可能會有些黑數存在那我們也是一樣你們既然是移民署嘛新住民朋友來到台灣他未必還沒拿到中華民國的身份證這一類的嘛他來到這個地方 |
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他可能對中華民國法令也不熟對這些可以保護他的這個措施他也不熟那會前去參加你們這些宣導活動的這個新住民朋友也許也不多那他可能在台灣各個角落那他可能也會遇到這些跟家暴有關的課題 |
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他也求助無門他也不覺得應該求助啦也有可能是這樣啦反正就是來到這裡了嘛這裡就這樣了也許有人就這樣認為那有些人他要求救他也不知道向誰求救嘛那有一些他可能就去跟這個他的原來的這個國家的朋友剛好大家聯絡上你可以去去申請什麼家暴令保護令諸如此類的事情我是說移民署在這件事情上啊 |
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要想辦法因為畢竟中華民國的國民在這裡大家在不管語言上各式各樣的宣導上大家是清楚的可是這個新住民朋友來他可能對這一個中華民國有在保護的這件事情他不清楚 |
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那移民署這個我知道你們都有例行性在辦這些活動但是參與的畢竟都還是整個新住民朋友參與的總人數比例上還是比較低啦所以這個我是建議移民署在這一塊 |
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應該要能夠來協助否則很多新住民朋友如果在家庭裡頭發生這些事情真的我們也看不到他也不太容易跟外界接觸到說他被家暴這一類的事情這一塊可能移民署你們要努力 |
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去想辦法來協助 透過各地的協會各個不同國家在這邊 他們都有新住民相關的協會他們是團體 就是請他們也來協助提醒他們說 這個事情其實中華民國是有保護的不要讓他們在這邊覺得很孤單 這樣子也不好 |
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好 那希望移民署在這個題目上能夠努力 謝謝 |