| IVOD_ID |
163137 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163137 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-16T09:35:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-16T09:51:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c9429a73bae53e069946b5d3120f1d41b1d72feb9295bd27a32670b893c246833cbce93769d80bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:04 - 09:51:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、經濟部部長、海洋委員會、農業部、內政部、國防部、金融監督管理委員會針對「光電設施對環境影響情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝 謝謝主席我們請彭部長跟經濟部次長請部長次長柯委員早我對辛苦了我們先看一段影片MOOSE |
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委員環境衛生委員會的召委今天114年7月9號我特地來到現場就是各位看到嘉東外海這個就是平台破碎的東西看到這個今天颱風過了兩天浪那麼大 |
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裡面夾雜了大量的泥沙今天又是漲潮大潮整個海岸全部都是這樣一片一片的看到這個真的觸目驚心我們這個離岸消火塊上面卡的滿滿的都是這個說要48小時要清請問怎麼清這個一個禮拜半個月都清不了所以我們經濟部、能源局不要坐在辦公室那邊亂講胡扯、瞎扯 |
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好,我要跟我們公務人員奉獻,講話不要亂講不要沒有看到就胡說八道,這個你要負責任者,有時候人家告你你是要負刑者公務人員不要幹到最後被判刑,連刺繡金都沒有,這個我替你們擔心所以講話要好好的講 |
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那我今天要這裡很沉痛的講你們經濟部講的橋段一段接一段都亂講 |
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別說那個海上平台沒有上面沒有架設除了這個長約400公尺寬約200公尺面積相當於10個足球場大小的海洋能電隊展開為期一年發電規模要達1.5百萬瓦相當於要能夠供給100戶家庭的一天用量而這個海上光電廠真的能通過來自海的事務 |
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好 第一個先講說這個平台上面沒有架設光電板這個是在不過這是五月份人家這已經照出來的空拍都出來所以是有架設第二個說有架設但是在7月4號以前都清除完畢7月4號以前這個台灣還是一個熱帶氣旋 |
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我們住在屏東一天天在補紅苔所以我們都很清楚我們都要觀青麥道 都要看紅瀉我們每一次颱風就是這麼輕浮從台海峽上來的颱風這四五十年來才三個大颱風一個就是塞洛瑪 一個就是去年的山鎚鷗還有這一次 這個是中度颱風而已 |
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那我一直懷疑說,為什麼袁嘉蘭為何如此的脆弱,不堪一擊,所有的謊言都在中途台上吹了一片好,那你現在說,你在7月4號之前都把它拆光了,拆光了,所以下面的平台全部都亂成一片 |
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都泡泡了然後這個是High density polyethylene嘛你剛剛講的嘛就是聚乙烯嘛聚乙烯那個以前的環保署長魏國燕還跟我講說他會分解成小的顆粒會融到海水裡面他請我能不能動用一些力量去海邊採集看看有沒有這個 |
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有沒有這個這個這個塑膠顆粒會被魚吃進去人跑到人體 我說好 我代替這麼重的啊不對 你等一下給我回答一下好 現在就是前面講沒有放光電盤 |
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那再來就講,一方光電板,但是台灣錢都採完了我真的打100個問號,那不好聽耶,那要設的很難設,你看工人在裡面所以,講話要實在講,啊有光電板落在海淪位,可能請很多啊現在有潛水的人,來跟我說,西綠球的,恆春的,還有大鵬灣的潛水業的時候,我們來比看看啦,讓我比到,這要找什麼 |
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所以經濟部不要亂講話業者要怎麼講我沒有意見那全部去到現場的國會議員只有我一個因為其他人不方便去其他人很尷尬所以他們都沒去就講到這樣我們不要再互相攻擊所以我要跟經濟部講事實是什麼 |
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謝謝委員的指導事實上氣候變遷極端的這個事件無論發生在什麼地方那個地方他受到的這個損害我們都必須要謹慎的來因應那這一次登陸在布袋是120年來第一次從布袋來登陸 |
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所以我們現在看到包括嘉義跟台南地區現在還在非常努力的在復建之中所以顯示我們面對極端的這個事件無論是在哪個地方也不是只有雲嘉南特別的脆弱事實上我們都是需要提高韌性這第一點 |
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第二點委員所說明的太陽能光電板確實在旦那斯颱風來臨之前業者都已經拆除他為什麼會拆除因為接下來7月8月就是颱風的一個季節在他們7月之前他們在巡檢原來委員所影片中所看到已經有架設太陽能那個地方他們發現說其實固定的鎖定針對於颱風還是必須要審慎所以他們就把那個上面 |
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的一個太陽能光電板把它拆除掉了好 你說這個可以放20年他講的啊 20年然後可以放7到14公尺的大浪我們大海邊的人我告訴你7到14公尺的大浪是多大你知道嗎 |
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那你現在如果要做試驗花了一億三千五百萬去補助他然後什麼陳大也做過模型實驗那你應該把太陽板綁在上面來測這個風太陽這是輕度風太陽中度風太陽而已嘛 |
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我們必須要有循序漸進的先去測試平台是否能穩定那我們必須要相信科學雖然說相關實驗室有做過所謂的風浪的一個部分但是我們不能貿然的把這些的光電板搭載在我們還沒有經過現場實證的所以這個是還沒有發電嗎 還沒有發電 |
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科學性的測試有科學性的試驗程序 |
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那基本上為什麼這個是在能源的科技的專案裡面因為我們台灣的環境包括海域的狀況剛剛委員也有說明我們常常會發生7級以上的這個陣風那這一次的話我們看到這個颱風它在登陸點的話事實上都有超過17級的一個陣風那這種強烈的這個陣風即便我們路上的一個電感我們也很困難說 |
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避免這個傷害事實上現在委員所看到的在嘉義跟台南沿海地區現在你假如去看的這個電感都是我們台電的弟兄在這一兩個禮拜新立起來了他總共有將近3500根的電感左右那當然我們現在積極的很辛苦的在 |
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這個台電這一方面的努力大家有目共睹我們台灣人都肅然起敬,都很欽佩,那都是我們的姓名,那都是我們的鄉親,我們自己的同胞所以這個不用講,我們大家都感同身受現在要跟你講的就是每一個風頭,我們都要夾起來我們都要夾,沒有地形地貌的破壞,所以從上面然後水氣又不足 |
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到哪裡哪裡都災情慘重那我們的雲嘉嵐就是一百年來所有的颱風從東邊來的都對中央山脈拍一下就剩一半沒剝掉而已所以一百年來都這樣小小的風災所以我看他們的建築是極度的脆弱 |
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百姓的房子 大家住在那裡 現在這百姓幾間房子沒出租你知道沒出租耶 看盤簿耶 等一下倒掉了你們有什麼任性啊 哎呦 你也拜託你現在再架設回來 恢復原狀 還是用更強的電感 |
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還是灰屋原莊那再來不是完蛋嗎我們現在的這個電感一般的電感是7級的電感大概可以測抗差不多是10級左右14級左右的陣風現在所換製的這個電感是低級的電感是該納風性的但是基本上 |
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大自然的這個力量我們真的是要節省那我們也這幾年來非常的努力在提升我們關鍵基礎設施無論是電力水力能源系統或是我們公有系統的這個韌性那城市之間的這個韌性也在加強包括我們地方都有很多的自主的這個防災的一個措施 |
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所以我們現在當然這段時間我們要積極的努力復建那我們也希望結合民間的力量讓所有這些雲加南地區相關的沿海的民眾能盡速的恢復日常的生活然後台電蔡副總我請教你 |
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你們這次被電的這個員工是你們的員工嘛對不對那你們一大堆都是外包廠商都是開口合約常常聽到他們在complain常常聽到他們訴苦陳情說你們的開口合約極度的苛刻然後呢 |
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都用標案的什麼案的 反正對他們也沒什麼在照顧啊這些人如果受傷 你們有連帶之責任嗎 還是你們都沒在插手我們不會有說 報告委員不會去不理所有的承攬商的同仁啦是搶修包括台電的自營的同工班就台電的同仁跟承攬商的夥伴 我們都同等的重要你們都同樣的 |
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今天如果受傷這個人是外包廠商,你們會這樣三巨頭都跑下去嗎?對同仁或者是同男同伴的關係?我很懷疑,你們要善待我們台灣所有的勞工朋友好不好?經濟部長,我請問你,這個你要善後 |
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還有環境部長 你要怎麼算好整個外國市場 光電盤十幾萬片 那個光電盤你一再的講 早上你剛剛也講不會有環境的污染 不會裡面有液態所以是什麼一般事業會欺負嘛 不是污染性會欺負嘛那你這個是要怎麼分解 怎麼處置 怎麼弄 |
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第一個當務之急在災後我們首先必須要盡速的復原清理這是一個很重要的事情那除此之外在行政面我們針對於這個所謂的科專的這個計畫我們會依照契約的程序來做處理那除此之外的話 |
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我們也希望說我們針對於全國的包含是供電的設施或是綠能的設施然後記取這次丹納斯颱風的這個經驗那有必要再結構性的再需要再做補強或是在這一次我們災害復建過程裡面我們發現的一些的相關的問題所以分解什麼是有環保局長 署長 部長您有什麼 |
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那個報告委員那個...特別的手上那個分解啦我拜託有去看 維修嘛 你就看我有去苗栗啦苗栗 到苗栗去看風水處理廠 我去看處理廠喔 你看處理廠我們要去看啦這禮拜啊 你來白家質詢啦 |
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我去看的時候,它大概92%可以回收像鋁礦可以回收,玻璃回收,半導體這個板可以做鏈結,銀跟銅都會出來你看玻璃板那塊,會破的,變成溫度,人家就會刮到,那就是最大的問題其實玻璃的部分是要處理的 |
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玻璃的但是現在我們把破壞的可以看得到打撈起來然後就可以再回收再利用玻璃也可以回收玻璃回收再利用在一般的建築裡面現在我們已經有這樣的技術水質的部分我們會嚴格來處理海岸的就是說因為現在海洋廢棄物很多這種所謂塑膠微粒這個也是我們關注的焦點這次我們會到時候我們會跟前署長在質疑你們這個會有塑膠微粒你要做什麼 |
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這很多,淹地什麼什麼都有啦現在塑膠圍釐在海洋真的是越來越嚴重啦我知道啦,就是這種碎片所以我們要求他們要打撈,他們現在大的打撈起來但是可能還有些浮在海面上啦,可能還會有啦好,那最後一張,因為時間到了,超過了這個是軍中的,小心喔,國安部的,我下次在K你們 |
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那個光電把他放在那個戰車啦,什麼我是陸戰隊出身的,你把他放在那邊,再放光,就在引導說,快點揮彈,快點給我撥,這下去都會戰車,這個是颱風有沒有受傷? |
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跟委員報告在我們國防部標諸設置太陽光鏈的暗場那經過我們7月15號的清查都沒有災損的狀況再注意一下我們當陸戰隊的人看到這樣觸摸軍心怕死人 都晃光 |
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好 最後一個 我要看那個農前幾天養豬學會的來陳情喔 部長 反省部長農工分離啦 工廠拼到草尾 開端 啊是伺服員給他開端開的錢都一樣 要嚇死人 |
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這個我們現在研議啦要修改空污法因為這個要修空污法有啦但是那個量不多啦不多啦那個量不多啦但是那個其實這個業者其實也是也有的啦所以其實當然我們知道他們的訴求但是我們也研議了這個我們會研議啦這個是整個洋蔬學會來國民黨都會拜訪 |
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這要修空污法啦我們現在正在研議當中趕快拿來修啦好不好要修啦好 謝謝謝謝部長 謝謝委員 |