| IVOD_ID |
163134 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163134 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-16T09:12:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-16T09:34:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:22:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c9429a73bae53e0be86de63f5a9544e9598e56ead14a87f7a32670b893c24681cf611dc18aaa0c55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:12:45 - 09:34:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、衛生福利部部長、內政部警政署署長、教育部、勞動部、內政部移民署率所屬相關單位列席就「保護令不是萬能的?!如何避免憾事再度發生。家庭暴力防治法保護令核發，研析配套措施之檢討與精進，並提供相關統計數據」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席,有請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長還有衛福部部長衛福部長 |
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三位早時間的關係不一一問候我今天召委非常用心針對上週所發生的這個人倫的悲劇竟然有一個家暴男違反了家暴保護令以後結果沒事把他放掉 |
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放掉了以後回去把他的妻子跟他妻子的妹妹殘忍的殺害我想這件事情震驚全國才會導致今天這個專案報告的發生來首先請教我們的衛福部部長針對這一起悲劇衛福部認為有沒有什麼需要檢討的地方來請說明快點快點時間的關係快點 |
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我想我們當然就是要更加的來落實輔導以刑事司法機制強化強化人加害人的再犯預防那你講這個不會覺得很空洞嗎針對這個案子從衛福部的立場有沒有認為需要檢討的地方 |
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在法裡頭規定預防性羈押這個案件的確做到但是在羈押後的附條件如果要釋放之前你可以有附條件但是沒做到以及沒有向法院申請羈押所以沒有向法院申請這個是誰要負的責任 |
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檢察官檢察官應該要負的責任我們下一個請法務部過去三年針對違反家暴保護令的案件案件數是不是持續成長 |
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我覺得這裡面齁其實這個發生這個事情真的是一個我們覺得不好意思啊請你不用上來講廢話請到旁邊去我並沒有請你回答請你到旁邊去那個趙偉啊是不是請他制止一下什麼時候是法治委員會質詢的規矩變這樣官員沒有受邀可以自己上來插話你插話如果有講建設性的話那我也就算了上來講一堆廢話 |
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來 請法務部部長過去三年違反家暴保護令案件的數數量是不是逐年增加這個統計的確是從11年是1974112年是2267來我直接給你看啦地檢署辦理家庭暴力案件起訴人數自己看2022年4003件 |
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2023年4204件2024年4445件這是家庭暴力罪違反保護令罪2574件一直到了去年已經到2895件針對這個案件數不斷的攀升法務部有沒有研究背後形成的原因是什麼這部分我想再整個一個 |
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喔 那個 這個我想我們講到是受理那些移送的家暴的案件是那因為家暴法所以不關你們的事不是說 我們是屬於沒有 我的問題很具體啦他那個 這個是屬於那個案件數不斷的攀升 理由是什麼欸 這個是主管的一個部會主管的 來 請邱部長那個法務部郭甩回給你了啦違反保護令的案件家庭暴力的案件每一年數量不斷攀升衛福部有沒有了解 背後的成因是什麼 |
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部長你覺得你有回答我的問題嗎為什麼案件數每年持續增高如果社會安全網有補起來如果相關的家暴防治法保護的機制有做到為什麼每一年的案件數逐漸升高 |
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現在啦我不是要跟你檢討個案啦個案的態度剛剛司長講得很清楚了啦現在大家更關心的是一個宏觀的角度嘛為什麼案件數每年不斷持續的升高是這個社會變得更暴力了嗎還是家暴防治法在衛福部主管的範圍之內有該做的事情沒有做你如果不知道理由不知道問題在哪裡就根本不用期待你去解決任何問題 |
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我這樣說有錯嗎 請教部長是的 應該要了解原因你什麼時候要了解原因需要多久了解原因一個月好不好一個月提書面報告出來啊為什麼數字不斷的增加來 接下來請法務部部長按照目前家暴防治法的規定觸犯家庭暴力罪刑事處罰是什麼 |
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就是那個家庭暴力罪跟違反保護令違反家庭暴力罪我們是法律人具體違反家庭暴力罪的刑事處罰是什麼這個應該刑法因為他家庭暴力罪有很多的類型那個要回歸到普通刑法所以就變成了是說回歸到普通刑法嘛 |
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那多徵的這個家庭暴力罪有什麼意義家庭暴力罪在家暴防治法裡面沒有給特殊的刑法規定啊從法務部的立場來講 讚不讚成61條是違反保護令罪啦不要混在一起嘛兩個不同的統計都給你做出來了你還在混我一談法務部部長對自己主管的法規要守啦 |
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家庭暴力罪在家暴防治法裡面沒有特殊的刑法規定法務部站在法務部的立場 贊不贊成還是覺得從法務部的立場來講回歸普通刑法就可以了 |
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他那個氣死家暴法這有特別的規定有關你那個拘提積壓或者是負條件那個是刑事程序嘛我現在在問你的是刑事實體法嘛那刑事實體法這個是回到普通刑法對嘛所以我就問你嘛真的沒有特殊的刑法規定回到普通刑法法務部站在主管機關的立場贊不贊成嘛我只有要問你政策立場的問題啊在那邊閃來閃去的贊不贊成 |
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對啦 第二條有家庭暴力罪沒有特殊刑罰的規定因為家庭暴力罪家庭暴力罪是主管機關是是衛福部嘛是 所以法務部沒有立場就對了所以我們尊重衛福部好 第二個第二個 違反保護令罪就違反保護令罪真正有執行刑罰的比例有多少部長知不知道 |
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違反保護令罪來我先直接請教你啦違反保護令罪按照家暴防治法裡面刑法的規範是怎麼規定的 |
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那個是依照家暴61條的規定來處理嘛他的法律效果是什麼那個有期徒刑三年以下三年以下有期徒刑 講得很好旁邊的人一直來跟你打怕死我們接下來再往下看啦針對所有被判有罪的不好意思喔 請你回答問題啦針對違反家暴保護令真的有執行刑罰的真的有被關的 比例有多少 |
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這個從那個113年的話這個判決有罪的從19667人判決有罪是5290人那這個比例是 |
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不是判決有罪的比例啦 真的有去關的比例啦這個是執行的啊 判決接近執行是有罪的嘛是啊 那區域需要關嗎那這部分我是 我這邊沒有統計這個資料來來來 看一下螢幕前的資料 看一下螢幕前的資料大家都沒壓沒緊 自己主管的法規也不熟 相關執行的狀況也不知道 |
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還要補社會安全網笑掉人家大牙來看一下超過我寫的算客氣啦百分之九十五以上事實上是什麼大概九十七九十八趴全部都罰金了事了全部都罰金了事了過去三年202220232024全部都是這個樣子 |
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針對這樣子法院判決的結果從法務部的立場滿不滿意這個是法院法官的一個判決所以從法務部的立場滿不滿意當然我們希望說因為他這個一個罪行要相當嘛那你覺得這個罪行有相當嗎那這個可以再討論嘛可以再討論 什麼時候要討論因為這個是主管法官在出更多悲劇以後再來討論今天就在討論這個問題嘛今天不是就在討論這個問題嗎 |
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還在那邊打官腔我們有打官腔喔剛剛你講的是不是官腔有直播啦全部的人都可以做社會上面的評價當然這個我們對被害人的保護我們要做一個更徹底更充實嘛那這個主管法規是衛福部的主管的法規嘛 |
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那我們希望說針對這樣子刑罰的結果從法務部的立場來講滿不滿意我們希望能夠更大的一個保護嘛希望能夠更大的保護針對你這樣子的一個希望要如何落實請教部長 |
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你來國會殿堂不能只講希望啊我希望幹嘛我希望幹嘛公權力在你手上啊針對這樣子的希望你認為要如何落實我們這個立法政策我們尊重那個衛福部的但是我們希望說這個刑度是不是可以酌量在做一個一個這個加重程度酌量加重好今天部長講出了關鍵詞了講出了關鍵詞來請衛福部部長針對法務部部長這樣講衛福部立場站不站成 |
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我想我們這個會針對實際上的整體的原因跟解決策略裡面來研究需要多久 一樣喔在你剛答應我一個月的報告裡面把它寫清楚喔加報防治法規定在那邊是的我不要說你連法條都不熟啦具體落實的狀況具體落實的狀況今天要提專案報告了一問三不知啊 |
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一問三不知啊原來來立法院裡面提報告來備詢這麼輕鬆啊大家都用混的沒有關係來繼續請法務部部長來我問你連政署可不可以認定個案有沒有違反行政中立這個行政中立是屬於那個內政部主管的一個錯錯 |
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公務人員行政中立法的主管機關是保訓會是考試院的全責嘛那這部分跟廉政署有什麼關係來我們接下來再往下看廉政署提交給國會的報告沒有執掌行政中立的事項這個是今年4月23號所提出來的報告白紙黑字在上面寫得很清楚但很奇怪非常奇怪的事情 |
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昨天 罷團新竹市罷團的領銜人出來講說 廉政署認證新竹市政府違反行政中立大家看的是一片華藍啦我們的廉政署管很寬啦不是他法定職長的事項他發行給罷團的領銜人說新竹市政府違反行政中立現在廉政署是在助攻罷團是不是 |
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連政署是在助攻霸團是不是我看連政署自己就先違反行政中立啦連政署可以幹這種事喔來我們從事實層面來開始確認連政署有沒有發函給霸團的領銜人有還是沒有這個有發有發嘛是密件還是普通件 |
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是密件密件的內容可以公開嗎這個我不清楚密件的內容可不可以公開你不清楚喔這個竟然密件的內容我不清楚對密件內容你不清楚這個我尊重密件可不可以公開講清楚喔密件可以公開嗎這個密件是它是寄給領銜人的是可以公開嗎這部分我 |
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你怎麼樣 連法律的原則都忘了喔啊 遇到綠色的霸團領銜人講話吱吱嗚嗚的喔密切的內容可以公開嗎來 請教部長 |
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還是連這點基本的法律常識都沒有了這個密件內容齁 我說實在我不知道對啦 我沒有問你密件內容嘛我只問你密件內容都不可以公開嘛那這個密件的內容是不是跟那個公開的是不是這樣這個我無從判斷嘛對嘛 但是我只問你一個法律的原則密件內容能不能公開這個我無從判斷密件的內容能不能公開 無從判斷我的老天啊這是我國的法務部部長喔你連法律的基本原則都不敢捍衛喔 |
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密件的內容能不能公開那這個密件的公開可不可以公開就是依公文書的解密的條件來做一個可不可以公開顯然沒有解密嘛所以可不可以公開那這個是不是要公開我並不知道嘛我沒有問你有沒有公開嘛我只問你密件的內容能不能公開嘛這個領先人他所講的是不是屬於密件的內容這我不清楚嘛我沒有問你這個問題我問你密件的內容能不能公開啊連這麼基本的原則都不敢講喔蛤 |
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我剛才有答覆就是一公文書你剛沒有答覆啊 跟我問你啊 密切的內容能不能公開密切的內容可不可以公開那是一公文書解密的一個條件嘛所以咧 現在就沒有解密嘛 所以密切的內容可以公開嗎這個我不清楚 這個你不清楚 沒有關係啦 全部的人你現在在這邊的回答 我怎麼問的 你怎麼回答 你有沒有回答問題全國人民都可以看 |
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全國人民都可以看 都可以來評價我們現在的法務部啊 難怪廉政署膽子這麼大難怪廉政署膽子這麼大撈過界啦不是他主管的法規啊發函 然後讓霸團的領銜人大剌剌的說哇 廉政署發函給我咧內容上面寫什麼東西啊清楚的指明啊新竹市政府違反行政中立啊 |
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我的老天爺啊連證書給國會的報告說行政中立不關我的事結果現在怎麼樣為了要助攻大罷免連法律人基本的原則尊嚴全部丟在地上面踐踏法務部部長密切的可不可以公開不敢回答奇怪中華民國刑法132條不是規定的很清楚嗎這不是國防以外一祕密的文書嗎 |
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奇怪了法務部部長連中華民國刑法這麼基本的規定都忘了喔這個領先人不是公務員嘛他不是公務員他那個是犯罪主體一定要是公務員嘛非公務員那非公務員的話那個業務上的業務上嘛那這個是領先人所以這不是業務上 |
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哇 難怪喔法務部部長現在在司法法治委員會一向說啊他不處理個案的法務部部長現在這麼具體的在幫個案開脫囉聽了你這樣講了以後新竹地鐵署的檢察官哪裡敢不辦啊你每次都問我個案的事情要逼我問個案的事情嗎 |
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剛剛我問你的是抽象的法律問題啊你公開密件有沒有違反法律的規定你連這個都不敢回答跟我問的不是抽象的法律問題嗎這個最抽象的問題你都是一直在問我個案的問題現在就是問我個案的問題啊剛剛是你啊急著幫那個領銜人開脫欸拜託這是你問我的這個是廉政署的執掌項目嗎密件可以公開嗎哪一個不是抽象的法律問題啊 |
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蛤 法務部長幹成這個樣子喔來 再接下來請司法院 最後一題就好金榮重犯跑掉了 中文字啊我說關係很好啦案件還細數在立法院的時候民進黨的立委啊從案件細數中到最後全部都在幫他修法開脫什麼叫個案的問題啊 |
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什麼叫妨礙司法公正啊為了個案幫民進黨的喔 麻吉喔中文字在立法院推動修法但問題來了曾經逃亡過的中文字結果後來什麼不用羈押也就算了連電子監控都不用了人現在跑了啦什麼時候查得回來我不知道人跑了啦這個是確定的事實我之前在問法務部的時候你們也承認這個裁定 |
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根本一開始沒有做等我質詢完了以後才匆匆補充做但關鍵的是什麼關鍵的是說啊 充換電話紀錄電話紀錄本來高等法院是A版 |
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然後呢 後來又抽換成B版不予延長科技監控檢察官有無意見從A版抽換成B版那個時候大家在質疑喔哇 高等法院膽子很大喔自己執掌上面的文書可以說改就改喔那個時候高院發函說 絕無偽造不要妄加揣測很兇啊 |
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很兇啊對提出質疑的人說沒有偽造不要揣測來我們來看一下法務部的調查報告法務部調查報告司法院有沒有收到有還是沒有有沒有收到來請司法院 |
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包括委員這並沒有發給司法院所以到目前為止你都不知道嗎那問題就來了為什麼我跟你講問題就來最後兩個層次的問題他們的調查報告說 |
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當初要追尋高檢署的意見檢察官跟書記官都說並沒有問到不予延長科技監控的部分那等於是什麼等於是大家之前在質疑高院篡改電話詢問的內容不是無敵放矢喔 |
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當初高院是恐嚇人民喔說絕無偽造不要妄加揣測喔現在是法務部的回函說沒有這件事喔那沒有這件事情的話他們卻在案件審理單上面做了這樣子的記載在通話記錄上面做了這樣子的記載這樣有沒有公務員對職長上面的文書內容登載不實的問題 |
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那個報告委員我想分幾個層次回答第一個就是司法院依司法行政可以做的那個調查呢我們確實有調查出來當時書記官在他所記載的這個時間點他有這個通聯紀錄有就是有曾經打到那個檢方的這個書記官通聯紀錄是一回事啊通聯的內容是另外一回事啊大家沒有質疑通聯紀錄啊通聯紀錄有啊 |
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重點是內容的部分啊委員那我接下來報告就是說所以說到底會不會有涉及更嚴重的行政為師或者是有沒有涉及那個犯罪化他就是要看就是說實際上他們的內容是什麼那這個部分因為已經超過我們司法行政調查那個範圍了那這個部分我想就是檢察官他們那邊也有立案來看一下齁來來來你先看一下螢幕上面法務部的回函是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
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葉金台高院法官評鑑委員會處理現在有在處理嗎司法院的那個評鑑委員會現在他們有受理這個案件所以現在正在處理當中是嗎 |
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這個是法務部回函給我的啊你們整個內部的行政作業外界無從得知 國會也無從得知嘛但我老實跟你講 這件事情的責任我一定追究到平屆委員會現在在進行當中已經密集開了非常多次會議了OK 好 希望齁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
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評鑑委員會的結果啊 趕快出來啊不要官官相護啊 很難看啊當初新北檢 八八會館縱放郭澤民的那個檢察官評鑑委員會的結論是什麼不用負評鑑欸 不用負評鑑欸官官相護到這種程度後來懲戒法院出來了懲戒法院就認定 為師重大要罰還啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
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要罰還啊當初檢察官 評鑑委員會哇 講得理直氣壯喔情節不重大不用移附懲戒結果最後出來的結果是什麼被懲戒法院打臉了為什麼大家對於評鑑制度現在又開始的批評跟不滿這就是理由嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
這就是理由嘛檢察官評鑑委員會當初官官相互希望相同的狀況不要發生在法官評鑑委員會好 謝謝 |