| IVOD_ID |
163057 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163057 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-10T18:22:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-10T18:41:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2bb0d0af414fb209458a439df16cb0d4cb5545a92025017d09b0e4047acf8a346a72962f41d473255ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
18:22:26 - 18:41:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議（事由：總統咨，為司法院大法官含院長、副院長，現有缺額7名，茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定，提名蔡秋明、蘇素娥、蕭文生、鄭純惠、林麗瑩、陳慈陽、詹鎮榮7位為司法院大法官，並以蔡秋明為院長、蘇素娥為副院長，咨請同意案。） |
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主席有請大法官候選人林主任檢察官麻煩再請大法官被提名的林主任檢察官請說明 |
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委員好大法官候選人主任檢察官林女士你好我今天下午一直在聽取您對不同委員做的報告提及您的就學經過以及在國外研究的心得同時加入了我們司法系統從事檢察官的職業近30年來你努力不懈我在這邊表達非常敬佩 |
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也感謝您對國家的付出那麼在您的報告裡面你曾經講過未來的大法官呢是具有司法憲法的解釋權但是呢大法官也不應該高於憲法那麼同時呢你也提到了如果將來擔任這個職務您會保持 |
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中立客觀遵守憲法獨立審判這個東西對我們來講是非常重要的一個背書作為我們中華民國的國民這個守法遵法是我們的基本條件就是說 |
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面對了不同的情勢下我們每一個國民都應該以遵守法律做我們的基本條件但是呢站在大法官的立場來看國家利益是超於政黨利益但是在國家利益的前提下您又要 |
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維持每一個人民的基本權利所以奉公守法是我們人民的基本條件但是我從立法院的角度來看我們看到政府的這個政令可以改法條可以修以大法官的立場來看其實逐階不彎 |
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節操不取所以奉公守節是比奉公守法的層級更上一層你對這個看法您覺得如何是的謝謝委員的提問我們說法律是最低的道德標準所以奉公守法是基本的是公務員應該遵守的那至於在道德層次的話那就是要看個人的節操跟品德謝謝您 |
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這個我們最近聽到川普總統說對等關稅他並不只是經濟的問題他是跟國家安全有關我們也看到我們的這個關稅談判代表成員裡面有我們的國安局局長就表示我們也認同了對等關稅也是國安的問題 |
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國家安全的問題並不只限於目前國安法的敘述那川普總統自認跟習近平主席他們是好朋友可以溝通所以美中是在一條道路上對向而來也許兩個國家的利益衝突但是呢如何溝通折衷妥協或者不退讓 |
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這個脫鉤不斷鏈,鬥而不破,每中雙方都知道對方的意圖跟想法,意圖跟能力。我們國內很多我們在立法院的同仁,常常引用一句話,司馬昭之心啊,路人皆知。為什麼路人皆知?因為是同路人,所以同路並不同道。 |
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同道不同德同德不同心同心不同调因此用同路人来抹红抹黑是不客观缺乏法条依据的美国在1986年国会通过了高尼法案那么要求美国的总统要在任内要向国会提交国家安全 |
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戰略法的報告現在國家安全戰略所涵蓋的範疇包括了地緣政治地緣經濟地緣戰略所以在國家安全報告的底下它產生了國防報告軍事報告情報報告最主要的一個印太戰略報告 |
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那麼川普總統在2019年的印太戰略報告這個裡面特別提到對台灣的立場以及支持的態度我想未來等川普今年的新的國家安全報告出來以後會修正他的印太戰略報告對台灣支持的立場會有更明確的說明那麼目前呢我們是因為 |
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正在發展我們的友好國家包括澳洲包括日本韓國乃至於菲律賓法國德國上個禮拜英國也公布了他的國家安全報告把上面的條件戰略因素啊經濟因素啊戰略環境啊預判未來的風險都做出報告了 |
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我們國家至今沒有官方公布的國家安全戰略報告那麼沒有一個長期的戰略報告做預應而是等事件發生後政府來問如何反應如果有預應我們知道我自己的籌碼底線可以預估降低風險如果反應產生的結果可能付出的代價就比較高這個上面你可以看出來的 |
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基于国家利益国家的目标国家实力国内环境国际环境影响的因素综合评估有关两岸情势外交政策国防政策经济政策能源政策治安政策人口政策最后要的社会韧性那我们设定的国家安全战略的目的是什么呢促进繁荣社会和谐保护主权维护主权确保民主 |
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強化安全和平必戰因為我們目前政府並沒有一個完整的國家安全戰略所以我們產生了很多的狀況就是對單一現象我們對賴總統的國安十七條的策略我們是表達支持 |
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但是呢还是不够周延他并不能涵盖到国内外所有的因素而且许多的条例他是重复性对单一问题因此我们基于要支持国家强化安全我们提出国家安全战略法的一个概念各位看一下这个是啊去年的十月份中国大陆公布他十年来的二十二十项这个 |
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有关的总体国家安全战略观那我们刚才在两边所列的是24项也就是说我们要以敌为师不足处补强现有意在执行的我们更要精进这个是我们的动机而是支持国家朝稳健发展避免风险国家安全战略法是大格局并不是国安法的条例 |
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比如說反滲透 防止侵中 賣台這些行為你要站在更宏觀的角度社會韌性 能源 醫療 科技同步發展那這個你可以看出來我們要強調社會韌性 民心安定經濟繁榮 軍事堅強 太和和平它在八個面向上都有不同的範疇定義 |
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那麼我們社會韌性防衛委員會提出了五個軸心那麼也談生出來了總統督導的特別委員會氣候變遷對策委員會韌性委員會健康台灣推動委員會 |
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成業很好也有很多民間的專家共同參與它產生的結果因為它不是編制的一個政府機構所以它產生的結果要由各部會回去執行的時候這個成果並沒有納入年度的預算需求所以要變成政府的編制機構變成法律條文這個委員會的東西才能夠在編列預算有效執行 |
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因此我們的國防體制做個介紹我們是以體制的方式管理由總統國家安全戰略行政院國防部四個單位構成那麼體制中國安會是幕僚機構總統跟我們的國防法參考統帥權政大方針決定權 |
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緊急發布命令動員權根據第8條第9條24條那麼行政院呢也有所謂的國防政策制定權督導所屬機關辦理國防有關事務權動員準備計劃擬定權緊急狀態徵用權民防組織成立權國防部呢就是國防事務權那我們現在做出的建議其實是完全以憲政體制下國防權力分配給他一個提供強化就是 |
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国防重大政策决定权再加上总统有国家安全战略报告的核定权那么行政院就要提供报告的草案国防部就要中理这个草案的产生跨部会协调 |
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我們所有的目標是強化統帥權行政院增加他的責任義務公安部增大使命跟任務而不是部分院內同仁說這個叫侵犯統帥權這是違憲的因為他們根本不了解國家安全戰略的範疇來做解答那這個是目前 |
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組織的架構所謂虛線的部分就是協商而不是法律律定明確的職責那我們做出的建言就是由行政院向總統提報國家安全戰略總統核定 |
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然後由行政院把這個不管是機密版非機密版向立法院做報告立法院要進行預算審查去督導我們政府的執行所以這個構想的整個設計就是強化統帥權 |
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增加行政院的責任義務擴大國防部的使命權所以這個跟侵犯統帥權的論述完全是不符的我想將來您如果在大法官的位置上統帥權事實上我們國家有統帥綱領 |
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這個從抗戰勝利以後日方提供協助一直到民國九十幾年李登輝總統我們國內都在修訂但是很少有我們的統帥真正去看這個統帥綱領因為國家安全戰略裡面含括的是哲學 科學 兵學以及用兵的藝術 |
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力限為高捏拿自己的底細知道底盤而不是去賭氣那下一個題目我要跟您講的就是站在我們憲法要維護國家主權的立場這張圖您可以看到就是我們中華民國公布的領海基線那麼聯合國海洋法公約在19 |
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二年通过一九九四年生效国际都根据这个来执行那么我们的行政院内政部也根据这个宣布的我们的领海基线二零一六年七月十二号这个海牙的南海仲裁庭判决的结果我们政府是完全不接受意思就是说我还是维持我原先对领土主权的宣誓 |
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那這裡面有一個明顯的就是所謂的民主礁也叫做黃岩島但是在這個上面各位看到的只是一個點因為我們國內不太重視運用科技顯示共同圖像在這個圖你看套上海圖這個圖在顯示出來你就發現黃岩島 |
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跟美济交啊几乎是同样尺寸一个黄岩岛可以容纳20个太平岛或20个东沙岛它的环交范围以我们做主权宣示划定领海基线将来呢我们就可以有权利申请 |
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經濟海域200里的經濟海域跟鄰近國家不管友好或是不友好的國家都會產生重疊區有重疊區就要進行溝通就要進行維護國家的權利那這個是我們非常重要維護主權的但是截至目前 |
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中國大陸跟這個菲律賓特別強調他們在黃岩島礁他的權利而我們政府沒有表態既沒有強調主權的伸張也沒有就管轄權執法或是匯江的行動我們希望未來如果擔任大法官對維護國家主權在憲法論述上的如何支持 |
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統帥權強化統帥權有一個完整的國家安全戰略使各部會的工作協調不只是陳峰垂直式的政策表達清晰可是水平性的跨部會協商這個條件比較弱我們需要是一個結構性的組織而不是各領域的人各個政黨人根據單一線上做論述我希望 |
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候選人您未來如果有機會擔任大法官對於我們支持我們強化統帥權強化國家安全戰略的全局構想所以在各個面向包括產業包括能源包括海底電纜包括通訊包括金融 |
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包括社會福利這都是社會韌性再加上我們建立自主防衛的決心這兩個同步推進對外才是展示我們維護中華民國主權的決心跟信心我想請您就這上面兩點提出一點您簡單的看法好 |
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謝謝委員提問首先我非常感謝委員您花了很多時間其實我收穫良多了解很多以前我比較陌生的這個國防軍事甚至是外交領域的這些專業的問題 |
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我現在是大法官被提名人將來還不確定是否會進入憲法法庭不過這個問題如果將來有可能要進入憲法法庭我是不太適合以這個身份來表示意見不過我覺得在進入憲法法庭的案件大法官要考量的是基本人權的保障 |
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再來呢如果像這一類的有沒有涉及到這個什麼統帥權或者說是各部會的這個或者是行政院或立法院的權限那他涉及的是憲法機關權限的爭議問題那大法官要審查的界限就只有是他符不符合權力分立制衡原則那麼如果他有高度的政治性特別是機關爭議他都會涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1052.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1053.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
政治問題那這部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1055.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1083.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
大法官以我個人對我自己的信念在大法官執行憲法審查的職務要非常注意這個界限對於政治問題就盡量不要捲入政治漩渦除非它就是一個憲法權力分立或制衡的問題我只能比較抽象的簡單的做此說明也很謝謝委員給我這麼多的知識這個有很多是我第一次才看到聽到 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1084.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1110.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
谢谢您表达看法我们作为一个中华民族国民我刚刚讲过了奉公守法如果担任了大法官就要奉公守节你的成绩要比我们格局更高你要看到是全国维护人民的基本利益但是如果在涉及到跨部会或跨院级的话有关国际关系维护我们中华民国权益的时候我希望立场要坚定看法要一致谢谢您好 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1112.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1119.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
謝謝陳永康委員的詢問謝謝我們林被提名人主任檢察官的 |