IVOD_ID |
163054 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163054 |
日期 |
2025-07-10 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-4 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
4 |
會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-07-10T17:18:59+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-07-10T17:39:20+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:20:21 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2bb0d0af414fb209682514952f9c5556cb5545a92025017dae43aa70883b95be4040d5881116b2055ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
委員發言時間 |
17:18:59 - 17:39:20 |
會議時間 |
2025-07-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議(事由:總統咨,為司法院大法官含院長、副院長,現有缺額7名,茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定,提名蔡秋明、蘇素娥、蕭文生、鄭純惠、林麗瑩、陳慈陽、詹鎮榮7位為司法院大法官,並以蔡秋明為院長、蘇素娥為副院長,咨請同意案。) |
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我們請蘇青權委,請詢問好,謝謝主席,也謝謝吳宗憲委給我對話我們請貝提敏人,麻煩再請貝提敏人臨檢察官,請上台說明 |
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好 林主任警察官 你好我今天問你五個問題我是一個心臟外科醫師所以呢 我們醫學都是講Evidence based 實證 實證醫學我也不喜歡講個案 我們就用通案來講第一個問題看到齁 這是美國 |
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美國的人口有三億四千多萬人,台灣的人口兩千三百四十四萬,我們的人口不到美國的7%,6點多%,美國的大法官9個,我們台灣的大法官有15個,那當然你可以講什麼不同,那我今天每一個問題都要請你好好答,因為你要來 |
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被我們質詢了我要好好的讓你答我不會一直講話那這個美國的九位大法官他還要接受各州聯邦法院送上來的案子宜蘭雜症一大堆那台灣的十五個大法官我們看他們不審理刑事跟民事的案件我請問那個大法官是在無用什麼是在無農什麼你照你手指的回答一下 |
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是謝謝委員提問關於就是這個四縣機關的人數其實各國規定不一樣那他不一定去跟一個國家的人口數成比例畢竟他是一個憲法的特殊救濟管道那有時候人數其實九位大法官聯邦 |
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美國聯邦最高法院九位看起來在各國看起來他是數目比較少的那大部分都會超過大概是12位以上15位那剛才提到就是說九位大法官處理這麼多疑難雜症那我們15位大法官處理的就是台灣這邊可能一年案件可能無法跟這個美國聯邦最高法院他收到的案子來做比較 |
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不過兩個法院的案件都非常非常的多據統計其實美國一年這個最高聯邦最高法院會收到大概七八千七八千件的案件 |
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七八千件沒錯但是他真正的受理的案件數呢可能只有幾十件因為他也有他有所謂的選案的機制也就是說不是所有的案件到了最高法院他就會必須審理那大部分會是因為覺得不是重要的案件或是還沒有成熟 |
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其實到了最高法院他要處理的問題都是重要的憲政問題或重要美國的就是如委員您說的沒錯他除了憲法問題之外他還要處理的是一般法律審上訴的問題所以呢他必須是重要的法律問題憲法問題他才會處理我要問的就是相對於美國這個還要 |
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各州聯邦法院送上來的一大堆依然雜症,我們相對的,我們的大法官這邊,這都沒在處理嘛,沒處理這個嘛,他只有憲法,有這麼多事情嗎?有這麼多事嗎?我一直很懷疑,我們都是要量化嘛,據你所知,他們是在沒用什麼啦,我要把台灣是在沒用什麼啦, |
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大綱送上來的案子行政院送上來的危險什麼亂七八糟的案子你們是怎麼在處理還是說反正就是照執政黨的意思是這樣嗎你會這樣嗎因為我現在是被提名人陸平燈亮水鍋通的事情應該不會去管吧沒有錯我不知道 |
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第二個案子,這個最近大家全台風動,就是一家五口,都大人大錢,都燒炭自殺,這其中有一個他的女婿是在我們屏東機場的軍官, |
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是在平常聽到他回去奔喪跟我們的人也有認識這種在台灣 現在的台灣有可能發生這種荒唐的事情 |
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還有剛剛前一個問說那個殺人的那個殺人的殺了太太跟小姨子那個是一個護理師男的護理師喔所以你現在你的其實主任檢察官你已經辦了很多刑事案件看你的那個學金力也非常完善那像台灣現在發生這種事情這個你的看法怎麼樣 |
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因為你們是我們台灣法律最後的捍衛那你的看法怎麼樣謝謝委員提到這詐欺案件跟很多被害人家庭因為悲哉累累或者一生的積蓄被騙光所以走上絕路這個其實我們在辦案的過程中常常都會接觸到其實檢察官對被害人受害的罪感同身受 |
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所以我們在打詐其實檢方真的是使盡吃奶之力我可以這麼說想盡辦法像委員如果有注意的話我們還曾經呼籲之前就是呼籲跟各行政部門結合我們認為打詐不能只是在後端的偵查必須在前端就開始做行政管理管制所以有大院接受大院大院也支持我們這樣的看法其實通過了 |
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詐欺 打詐的詐為條例那這個是特別法通過之後呢 我們也積極實施甚至最近出現一些問題可能還會再就修法補救特別是賠償被害人這個部分這個齁 這個他是去騙這個叫他拿卡出來說買黃金啊 什麼東東的然後他真的用他的卡去買去給他用額度他也給他錢耶第一個月 第二個月就給他一些MORAS |
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我們也領到五萬、七萬,到了第三個月、第四個月,他要欠的錢就不要再勞了,不要再勞了之後就叫討債的人,討債公司來,討債公司來就說不然你站在你的家去住,這個都是成人人,就真的站住了,住了還攀不過去,整個街坊都想不開, |
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這種事情我一直覺得檢察官或者是司法體系你們的那個養成都很嚴格但是有一點就是都在同溫層都在那個小圈圈你們講的就是法律問題聽一聽 聽一個小時我就頭暈了不像我們醫生每天都面臨生死啊我們社會性比較強我覺得你們這一塊你們要去補強 |
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你們這個對社會的實務上人性啊或者是現在打詐騙人騙人的經驗花式一大堆你們的社會性不足你們要怎麼去補強不然每天在法院裡面在檢察署裡面都在那邊滑條在那邊打詐你們就有點像牧師啊牧師都在那邊轉社會性都不足 |
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我每次在教會有時候講一下我都跟他們講說你們要融入社會警察官、警察體系我看這一方面也要補強你的看法怎麼樣謝謝委員指教這確實委員說的我們會全力努力就是加強我們的各類的制式的精進不過這個打詐因為我們都會跟警方合作 |
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這個詐騙的手法推陳出新他雖然詐騙手法很多種但是他都利用人性的這個是萬變不離其宗就是利用人心貪便宜通常我們覺得現在事後看大家都會覺得怎麼會受這個怎麼會相信呢這個怎麼會受騙呢可是在當下那個就是 |
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會立令置婚還有你們對於這些重大詐騙的你們的刑責也太輕了像我們上次這個IMB習近平就宜蘭啊還有還有萬平代表牽扯在裡面一審判16年到二審就給他減輕人還在外面遊蕩還在那邊玩然後呢還搞不好要繼續再詐騙 |
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我會覺得你們那個良心是落差太大那這種已經覺得是罪大惡極譬如說這害死五個人你們現在好像也沒什麼動作你懂我意思嗎所以這個你們要加強這樣子我們沒有辦法難怪我們在總統520被民調顯示你們司法司法不被信任排第二名 |
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所以這個你要怎麼來加強這個我們會共同努力當然就是司法不被信賴常常民調就是司法的不信任度都不高但是我也從另外一個觀點給委員參考就是說可是事實上大概民眾有什麼 |
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難解的問題或者碰到什麼社會問題他們通常會說請檢察官出來請檢察官出來主持公道那常常又要檢察官跳出來主持公義其實也許有時候就是因為信賴或者期待很高所以對我們的批評會更多這個我們當然都受教 |
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我們都很尊重專業像我就非常尊重專業我不懂得像我就閉嘴聆聽但是我們對你們的期許很高希望你們做但是你們做出來的事情要不能跟我們的落差太大這樣的話就對你們的信任就降低這樣你們當大法官我們就沒有成就感了來 第三個問題瑞士 |
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你有贊成有條件的廢死嗎?還是你…我是認為這個死刑議題在台灣社會是一個高度爭議的問題,那要不要廢死應該是要由尊重民意、要由政治部門來做決定。那你們現在等於是實質廢死, |
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有五六個關卡 七半個關卡它是說死刑是核限的目前死刑是核限的核限還是違憲還是你贊成死刑目前我是檢察官那我依法只要有死刑我們就依法執行對 按照法律來做 |
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那裡面有兩項就是說有精神障礙的不得判死刑有精神障礙的不得強解這個精神狀態是有階段性的所以有時候裝作賣傻也可以那要寫一些精神鑑定的診斷書也不是非常的困難 |
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只要自己有念點醫學的書,是可以蒙蔽過這個醫婦人員。所以這個在做判定的時候,我希望我們檢查體系、法官體系跟醫生還有書記官要聯合,要合一,一起去判定。像我做過那些禁制產的,我也都非常慎重。 |
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因為近日產應該比較單純像這個金帳要脫罪的這個你的看法怎麼樣 |
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這關於這個精神狀態那這個大法官確實下下了兩個這個門檻第一個是在審判中這個如果訴訟能力顯然不足的話自我辯護能力顯然不足的話不能判死三個他還這個如果有限制這個有第十九條第二項就是他的這個有這個 |
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這個19條第二項的即使不到新這個完全不能為自主的狀況也不能判死刑再來就是到了這個判決確定即使已經判決確定死刑定業那如果他在執行的階段呢有這個 |
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無受刑能力因為這個精神身體上面的障礙沒有受刑能力也不可以執行死刑那這個大法官只提出來這樣子的這個意見至於具體的標準是什麼這確實我們食物界還在探索摸索形成將來確實這個一定是要透過醫學鑑定才有辦法去做認定就是你們要非常慎重還有兩個題目所以時間有限來再來 |
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壓人取共這個圖要改的比較溫馨就是說只要在臉書或什麼弄一個圖出來說檢察官怎麼樣怎麼樣就當庭就生壓到現在還是壓著我會覺得會有落差反差像我們最近我們一些 |
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就是罷免連署的什麼回往各支華還有有點偽造文書等等就一直押一直押一直押這個你沒有做吧各縣市屏東那邊一大堆所以我很忙啊所以我請問你這一種的不合比例的你的看法怎麼樣我講話很含蓄 |
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首先我要先澄清目前因為我是司法官基於司法官倫理對於個案我是不能做評論的不過既然委員提問我很誠懇的就一般我們羈押的時務提出一些我的經驗上面的說明 |
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那首先羈押檢察官只有申請權那申請之後要由法院來決定那法院要判斷的是依照刑事訴訟法的要件來判斷不只要有犯罪嫌疑重大還要有比如說魚逃或有串證滅供滅證之餘而且還要有必要非押不可的情況他才會准許檢察官的申請的羈押的申請 |
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那通常決定要不要羈押除了要看罪名之外還要看他犯罪的規模如果罪名有人說五年要符合比例原則不要為押而押然後押來就 |
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押人取供是罪要不得的所以這個是希望你秉持這樣那來最後一個問題319槍擊案好久好久了啦那你有經歷過嘛那我請問你這個319這個案子是真的還是假的 |
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我到現在還懷疑,我每次問詹啟賢他都不跟我講,他都笑笑的,你是當時參加的檢察官, |
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我現在澄清我對那個個案我不是承辦檢察官我是這個就是立法院當時有通過一個319槍擊事件真相調查特別委員會這個條例那後來因為在大法官釋憲找法務部去當關係機關那我們要去表示意見那我是負責撰寫法務部這個言辭意見的這個檢察官之一這樣 |
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你們檢查的這些案子是多久可以解密一般多久解密是10年20年還是多久不知道這個檢察官的卷證是這樣子判決確定之後那可以來申請月卷那申請月卷有一定的資格跟要件有一些是保密的都可以接 |
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如果說是有涉及其他的機密的話那確實就不能揭露前一陣子我們李秀蘭前副總統有去拜會羅志強他希望他提出總統副總統選辦法修正那他的訴求就是很重要的一點就是希望能更改 |
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因為現在是總統候選人如果有被槍擊或者怎麼樣發生生命的話可以暫停選舉那他希望把副總統被槍擊或者是被打死有能力讓他列入選舉暫停因為他感覺一點點他是主要要被幹掉的我不知道是真的假的 |
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那這個妳的看法怎麼樣 還有1分34秒讓妳表達 |
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這個議題大概是政策方面的問題啦那如果大院認為這個適當的話應該也可以考慮那我個人就不方便在這邊表示意見好那妳最後妳就說妳這個是319妳是妳有承辦的檢察官那妳講一下妳的我不是我只是後半段法律的部分妳講講妳的觀點因為我們尊重專業嘛讓我們聽一聽 |
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還有59秒 快點其實有很多重大的案件在台灣歷史上重大的案件沒有偵破的然後大家各說各話眾說紛紜的很多像桃園也有一個很重大的劉邦勇 |
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對 這件案子也是檢檢一直不斷的也會在甚至內部有在重新檢視的過程檢警都在重新檢視不過我們作為執法人員就是這樣只看證據證據到哪裡辦到哪裡 說到哪裡這樣子 是好 希望你本質你的初衷謝謝好 謝謝 |