| IVOD_ID |
163030 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163030 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-09T09:34:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-09T09:54:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:20:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/29dd8432533c2d581d50fbb382d249d6914535bb497189ef9fef188de1ed20401f8b1bbbc21182005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:34:31 - 09:54:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議（事由：總統咨，為司法院大法官含院長、副院長，現有缺額7名，茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定，提名蔡秋明、蘇素娥、蕭文生、鄭純惠、林麗瑩、陳慈陽、詹鎮榮7位為司法院大法官，並以蔡秋明為院長、蘇素娥為副院長，咨請同意案。） |
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院長請蔡提名人謝謝再請蔡被提名人請萬會員好歡迎你到立法院來參與這一次的審查會剛剛委員的詢問你表現得還不錯謝謝 |
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這個該回答就回答因為很多在這裡審查其實是要羞辱你的還好你沒有動怒這個表現得很好第二個因為你接下來要當司法院的院長以後憲法法庭很多會議也要你來主持所以我是建議你 |
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接下來包括很多委員的詢問 針對很多的個案不用進行評論 |
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因為我們知道憲法法庭即使憲法法庭在開會也要有公開說明會也要有延遲辯論那個都是還算蠻冗長的程序兩兆都必須陳述自己的意見然後大法官一一來詢問他們的質疑所以用這麼短暫的時間請你針對個案來表態 |
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這個並不適合因為如果你針對個案來表態那就有是一個大法官有是一個司法院院長的高度這個可能建議你要小心因為以後你當司法院院長總不能你這個司法院上班的時候一堆媒體擋在司法院的門口問你說院長啊 |
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這個上個禮拜有一個案子昨天有一個案子這樣這樣這樣那你有什麼看法你還侃侃而談這就不對了因為 |
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你自己當檢察官每一個個案複雜的程序只有這個偵查中跟審判進行中的人這些相關的司法人員才知道全貌所以針對這些個別的個案我是建議你因為今天的審查這個李煥儀 |
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有鬼守神 神仙龍虎豹 乎龍罷兵專業的不專業的都有就是你要謹守一個司法人員盡可能的不要去評論到個案因為這個很多個案可能也不是你理解的那樣第一個第二個 |
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請問這個被提名人 兵凶時啊兵凶時 你有在關心新聞啊 網路啊這些社會關注的案件啊在看 看了啊 |
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你通常會跟你的同事討論 家人討論 朋友討論譬如說 我記得國中生殺死他的家人啊也有這種詐騙被騙得很慘的啦也有這一個說他這個精神善事心神好作這些人他們去殺了他們的家人罪該萬死你現在要做提名人之前你遇到這些案子你通常會怎麼討論你的說法 |
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我很少幾乎沒有跟同事討論案件就是跟司法案件有關的報導那如果是在家裡看電視的時候那可能跟太太一起看 可能會聊一下就這樣好 那你會你會這一個這個不由自主地說 哎呀 這種的胖太輕啦啊 這種的怎麼可以交報啦 |
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這張怎麼可以這樣放他回去啦你會不會有這種評論就你單純只看媒體因為你自己當檢察官嘛你也知道這個檢察官對這一個被告或者是嫌疑人執行這個所謂的強制處分的時候你一定理會嘛然後要法官來這個同意嘛 對不對 |
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可是我們外界在外面看新聞啊 看媒體報導啊看過之後說 啊這個這樣這個法官綁一招這樣不通啊這個警察官怎麼請他回去 怎麼可以這樣啊這法官 檢察官 欸我們很多人認為對司法沒有信心啊都是這樣看過之後 街頭巷尾大家評論之後啊 這樣我們這司法這樣不行 像這個這麼可惡的啊怎麼不把他抓起來 還綁他出去弄垃圾 |
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你以後當司法院院長 我把它切成兩塊一個是你現在還沒當司法院院長一個是以後你是一個司法院院長你的態度會是什麼 |
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我想我態度,因為我自己做過司法工作做了三十幾年,可能跟完全沒有接觸司法的一些朋友可能對案件的看法、觀點可能比較不一樣,我比較傾向不會立即做判斷,當然在同事之間幾乎沒有這樣子的討論。 |
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因為他們都是法律人他們很了解就是要就像剛如同剛委員講的對一個案子你除非你有親身常辦過了解這細節了解案件的來龍去脈不然外人其實沒有接觸的很難評論好那你接下來當司法院院長請你可不可以跟大家講一下醫療啦我們這司法的案件 |
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任何一個案子 我講任何一個案子你又不會去問這個法官 問這個個庭都案子社會關注 司法認定不公一個案辦這麼多年 你們可不可以辦得更快你會不會 你當一個司法院院長這是行政的 總是會看一下大家各個法院現在審理的狀況進度有些拖很久 諸如此類 |
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你會不會有這樣的驚喜啦或者是這樣的指導啦或是這樣的提醒啊 |
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我想個案在個案上一定不會就是說我不會去找法官特別是懲判的法官跟他講說這個案子要快一點這個案子外面有很多民間有很多反應因為這是在司法在法院體系這是一個很大的禁忌就算是院長或他自己的庭長大概都不會這樣講但是如果就一個整體的 |
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司法行政政策那基本上我們會有相關的聽處那我們也許會做討論的時候我們可能會有一些比如說政策性的研討或政策性的討論那但是不會去跟各案的法官去做提示這樣子蠻重要的啦 這個一定要堅守住但是因為在你的報告裡頭你自己也提到嘛 這個人力不足啦 |
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人力不足那所以呢你如果說現在性都性很慢 |
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要審一年、要審兩年 立法委員有事情立法委員就都做了 還早去做管理 早去做啟動他的案可能都還沒聽見 這種可能 各式各樣的可能都有你看這整體全貌的時候 各地方法院 各高等法院跟你說這樣我們就人不夠 我們一個案抽頭很多案 很多案我們就沒辦法 我們的速度就這麼慢 |
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你當司法院的院長 你啦 任委啦 你會下什麼樣的指示我想就是如同我剛剛在口頭報告裡面提到的案件工作太重 它對案件的進行一定會有影響的 |
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那特別是我們的行政訴訟制度它並不是採取所謂高度集中審理這樣子的方式它有點像就是有一個日本教授說我們是採取是牙醫式的訴訟程序不是那種外科手術式的方式因為英美法比較像他們要集中審理趕快把這個案件審完那其他案件就會放著 |
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那你這個案件這個禮拜審一次下禮拜或者是下個月審一次那可能就比較平均但是問題就是可能會造成每一件案子都會拖比較久但是最重要的問題是我們現在的就案件的量來看我們的人力確實是不足 |
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那這個困難度很高啦就是我剛剛有提到說因為有先進建議說要增加他並不是說增加法官的人數而是增加助理跟書記官的人數因為這兩個現在兩方都很欠缺 |
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這個前一陣子立法院通過法庭的審理要直播啦直播這你應該也了解因為你如果當司法院的院長這事情就到你頭上了是那有沒有跟同事同仁大家討論過說這如果用直播差不多一年要花多少司法院的行政單位是有維護要聽到金額很龐大因為 |
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因為你接下來當司法院長這個搞不好這個搞下去的這個費用可能會吃掉司法院一半以上的以上或者是要增加大概一倍或者將近一倍這樣的一個預算你有什麼看法具體的 |
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花費的數字因為我現在是被提名人我現在其實也不方便跟司法院接觸所以也這是一個新的業務因為最近才通過那我們在三個月以後我們會要開始實施那這段時間我們會做一些配套的規劃比如說報告預算包括其他的當然這已經通過了照規則就是要辦 |
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你覺得這個事情是正面的還是說因為我們常常說什麼司法不公、黑箱什麼的全部都在做直播啦,看你整天都在說什麼啦這樣子對 |
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你以前做監察官,你現在也算監察官,你監察官的立場,我們先說監察官的立場就是說直播出去,有了直播出去,他們在問案的時候,你就要穩良公正這樣,不然你告訴人家說 |
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欸 你上次我在徵訊你的時候 你明明就這樣講 筆錄都有你現在在法官前面 竟然這樣講欸 這句話我如果說得這麼難齁這直播出去 我可能說 啊 法 檢察官你態度好一點講話要這麼兇嗎 你在大聲什麼 這樣可是這有可能是 法庭裡面的常態嘛那今天在說要被那個被告激怒呢我們都說好了 你都簽 你也已經在徵訊筆錄 你都簽到書 都在都簽啊 |
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他在法官頭前 反靠近啊這都有可能嘛齁 或者是說法官啊看了說 欸不是啊 被告我看到的卷證這個都有啊 而且檢察官徵詢你都有啊啊你現在怎麼在改欸欸 要告人在直播出去法官你在講什麼東西啊你講話可以態度好一點嗎你講話只能小聲一點嗎你這樣會嚇到我的我的當事人欸 哇這樣欸你認為醫療這事情怎麼發展啊 |
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事實上我現在沒辦法預測但是這個法案已經通過所以必須要進行 必須要有決定因為台灣是一個法治國家但是兩方面就是說在這方面 政策改端其實是不公開的經濟改端是不能進步的現在可以進步的部分是審判 或者審議跟涉事審的部分涉事審判的職種是不公開的 |
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以公開的部分是建築辯論的部分,所以我想這個部分處理起來比較不正常意識,像你可能麻煩,但是同樣有很多人很擔憂,很多人非常憂心,這開始有很多問題的發生。 |
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都很擔憂啦 其他民眾擔不擔憂而已啦連國民黨自己也擔憂啦他們為了自己的案子 說啊不要啦 不要公開審判連公開審判都不要 還要直播所以這個部分可能喔未來啦 你如果做司法院的院長啊包括我們這裡的法官啊我想這也不知道要怎麼做心理建設因為這個算是 以前法官高高在上嘛坐在上面 像我們院長坐在上面我們這個董事長都坐在上面嘛 |
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以後法官問問題要像韓院長一樣講話文文如也也不能夠生氣就是單純因為我在看憲法法庭的時候我看每一個大法官法庭都這樣文文如也問問題可是實質上法院的審理應該沒這麼溫柔有時候因為你遇到被告很惡劣的時候當下也會輸人生氣 |
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所以這一塊可能接下來你當司法院的院長看大家討論一下怎麼樣讓我們的司法人員法官要審理的時候怎麼樣避免在這種直播的過程當中心理受創因為我知道很多法官檢察官下班後 |
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很多都是這樣,因為他換下他的工作服,有時候就一件襯衫就要回家所以這一塊有可能在直播出去以後,像最近他們的抄話長了一段一段法官檢察官的橡皮站出來 |
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阿公用一些血跡 恐嚇一個異位敵人對法官、檢察官影響都很大所以接下來直播下去之後這一塊可能司法院要對這件事情看要怎麼樣的因應因為你接掌司法院院長之後這一題就是你的問題了是 謝謝委員提醒好 接下來 |
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你認為國內的政黨 大家靜頓 靜頓在競爭最近也有政黨去解散 去跟憲法法庭去解散主要是跟憲法法庭去解散你對這種解散政黨 你會看什麼 |
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這案件我記得應該是在細數中的案件吧不知道是不是細數中的案件那如果是細數中的案件就是說他受理以後細數中的案件我確實比較不好在這裡就這個案子發表你這樣回答就對了 我很怕你再給我回答這個個案不可以回答因為你不知道你再回答 你會說不對 |
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說不定這問題大家都知道會被標題你說這個進行中的案子你沒有完整的資訊沒辦法回答但是憲法法庭解散政黨這個事情你總可以評論憲法法庭解散政黨不管這個政黨的理念是什麼很多人說哎呀你這個憲法法庭大法官怎麼可以把人家的政黨給解散 |
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這個事情你的看法這個案件是憲法訴訟法規定的受理案件之一那至於到底要怎麼審理我想要看這個政黨他的作為他過去的一些主張還有沒有什麼實際的行動對於民主憲政或對國家 |
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有危害那如果有這些情況有可能被宣告違憲解散那如果沒有這種情況那就不會被解散我想就會被駁回好最後再問一個課題就是關於這個通訊投票不在籍投票的題目那這些當然有可能被設定到部分的族群 |
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也許是部分的工作部分的族群部分就是說他不是全面性的這個通訊投票啦選舉啦通訊投票不在即投票他可能會被設定因為某些因素所以他被設定某一些族群某一些工作某些什麼什麼什麼這些人可以不在即投票他們可以通訊投票那這個事情啊如果站在這一個你是一個大法官按照憲法的角度 |
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憲法就是我們每個人選舉、罷免、創制、複決嘛那大家都要平等嘛 對不對大家都要平等 啊有一些人可以通訊投票不再去投票啊如果是說全面開放啦 我就想我大頭狠 我就說我就要去綠島投票啦 你就給我 我的票可以去綠島就對了我就要去那裡投票 因為投票那天我要去綠島一投啦所以我就去那裡投票就好如果去特定啦 特定的設定了部分的身份部分的族群 |
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這樣在這個憲法上,你的認定,我們大家都一樣,可是有一些人因為新聞,所以他被設定,他可以進行這樣的一個跟別人不一樣的權利,或者主張,這件事情你有什麼看法? |
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理論上來講我想人民都有投票權但是並沒有指定在特定地區投票這樣的權利了那當然這個議題應該是中選會去考量那有可能這種案子會到現在法庭來所以呢我現在我也比較不方便去提說這種這種主張到底是做法到底是違憲還是不違憲 |
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那基本上法律有給一般人民這樣的就是在一定的地點投票的權利也已經有給他這個權利但是是不是一定要在特定地區投票這樣的權利這是不是憲法保障的權利我想這會有一點討論的空間好 這個就是持久再討論好 那這個謝謝你今天參加我們的審查會 |
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也祝你這一個審查的最後投票結果能夠過關謝謝 謝委員好 謝謝王一川委員詢問也謝謝我們蔡備提名人說明 |