| IVOD_ID |
163010 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163010 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-07T10:45:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-07T11:22:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:36:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e6eee8dab835150debf6acdcfa3acbaf0e5ab0c0921fe906e3be69b0bb0dbfe5c932d0b88b6ae5ef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林淑芬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:51 - 11:22:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員楊曜等17人擬具「社會救助法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員范雲等17人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、委員黃秀芳等20人擬具「社會救助法第二條、第四條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員黃捷等16人擬具「社會救助法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員蔡其昌等17人擬具「社會救助法第四條、第四條之一及第五條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員徐富癸等17人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員王鴻薇等26人擬具「社會救助法第十五條及第十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
十、委員邱若華等20人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「社會救助法第五條之二、第十一條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員萬美玲等20人擬具「社會救助法第四條及第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員林月琴等19人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員楊曜等24人擬具「社會救助法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員馬文君等20人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十八、委員葉元之等21人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十九、委員羅智強等18人擬具「社會救助法第十一條及第十六條條文修正草案」案。
二十、委員何欣純等17人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十一、委員劉建國等18人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十二、委員林楚茵等18人擬具「社會救助法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、委員邱若華等17人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「社會救助法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
二十六、委員吳沛憶等16人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「社會救助法第五條之二條文修正草案」案。
二十八、委員游顥等17人擬具「社會救助法第五條之一及第五條之二條文修正草案」案。
二十九、委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「社會救助法第五條之二條文修正草案」案。
三十、委員馬文君等16人擬具「社會救助法第五條之二條文修正草案」案。
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請我們邱部長來請部長 |
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部長今天很多的委員關心台大名醫鄭文芳棄保潛逃的這個案件喔那其實在這裡面我們看的新聞我其實很不爽因為呢我們的台大醫院台大醫院的這個前院長 |
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出來除了譴責鄭文芳以外做了一個責任上的切割我也看不出來我們台大醫院有什麼擔當從事發到潛逃就只有一個罵他不應該潛逃沒擔當可是台大醫院本身自己就是最沒擔當的 |
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那因為在這種狀況裡面 我也質詢過當時你去日內瓦參加WHA的世界衛生大會那我質詢次長的時候 我們大家一起在講其實今天一直在講法源的問題 法源的依據一路走來 就說沒有法源不能公佈所以現在的公告資訊透明 民眾的知情權進度落後都是因為沒有法源依據 |
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這一路走來都看到衛福部一路也始終是在包庇人醫啦跟他看到這樣而已啦,沒看到其他的問題,為什麼這樣說,我說給你聽第一呢,一路走來就以法律審判來掩護行政責任 |
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這個醫師法第25條要一副懲戒委託各位你們一開始都說這個是要等法律判決這個確定才要移送懲戒後來才知道你們就是一路以這種法律審判掩護行政責任卻違背了醫師法第25條的第4款違背這個醫學倫理就可以移送懲戒了第二個你們 |
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這個在這剛才我講的寬鬆移送懲戒的這個過程以外一直以依法無所依據持續不公告即便我們的兒少的法規都已經確定囉 |
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就是醫療人員涉嫌性騷擾或性侵頻傳受害者不是只有成年人還有未成年的小孩在這種狀況裡面 兒授法都規定這種要公佈 可以公佈姓名 |
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台灣對於狼屍 幼保人員的對待及性別不當對待者甚至可以處以終身或數年不認用可是對猥褻兒童 受害者是未成年的狼屍 狼醫啊都是輕輕放下 還可以繼續看診所以都繼續以無法源依據來推脫來推脫 我剛剛講的 未成年的都有法源依據的 你也沒有公告啊也不願意公告啊 |
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然後呢在這種狀況裡面喔1月的時候國民黨委員提案你們說好4月要做5月我諮詢的時候你們說好6月要做6月到了7月來了什麼都還沒有做現在委員又在這裡諮詢7月的時候說我們8月會做現在是不是要等到9月會說10月會做始終一路走來衛福部就是包庇狼醫的幫兇 |
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那我現在講說 我們一直在講醫事人員查詢系統你們的醫事人員查詢系統連有沒有執照 醫師有沒有執照都查不出來的最沒有用的醫事人員查詢系統醫生你沒在啦 臨近的諮詢我有跟他說啦你們查詢這個人是不是醫生喔 |
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有可能你們自己系統裡面講的啦這有醫生執照有可能不一定會準啦因為要醫生同意要放上去查詢才查詢得到所以你查詢不到的不代表他不是合格醫師當時的查詢系統就是這樣這樣這個查詢系統要從什麼無照也查不到 有照也可能查不到然後我現在跟你講說為什麼不需要有法源依據 |
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一直在講要醫事懲戒決定書出來了 要等判決確定了我們沒有要求這樣嘛 當然判決確定了都一定要放上去我們自己要求你 在你的醫事查詢系統裡面你可以變相的 我們在講行政責任吧你可以查詢醫師的時候告訴大家這一個人要公佈他說 他現在正在移送懲戒當中這樣覺得需要法源 一句 請問 |
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我叫你公布說這一個人有案底而且在移送懲戒當中就像刑法責任一樣他被起訴了不代表他有罪但他被起訴了可不可以公告類似這樣的機制可不可以需要法源依據嗎告訴大家你現在正在查詢的醫師他現在移送懲戒有案子移送懲戒有這麼困難嗎 |
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還有什麼法源依據保證你說看看醫事查詢系統應該都是有執照的啦我來講一下你現在還聽不懂跟你當初人生一樣聽不懂醫事查詢系統你自己上面講的你如果查不懂不代表他不是合格醫師因為要醫師同意被查詢我的查詢系統才會顯示他 |
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你們都不知道你們的系統是一個熱力泡的系統 |
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無法確認醫師是否為合格或不合格的查詢系統笑死人了 笑掉人家大牙了已經一兩個月了 跟你們講了保證我現在也不知道我一輩子你現在也不知道你的醫事查詢系統是一個查詢不到醫生是否有執照或真正沒執照的查詢系統你現在也不知道 |
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我現在在說的 不要說查詢系統的問題啦我在說 人醫在查詢系統好 先講 確認第一個 以後每一個查詢 每一個醫師的資料都要在上面可以被查詢的到 可以嗎這個醫術師回答一下醫術師寫那書頂都不用來都這樣每回都不用來 每回喔 不是一回喔 |
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來 沒關係你回答是 跟委員報告我們現在確實有在衛福部公開的網站可以讓民眾查詢醫生人的資料但是因為我們也有又在但是了是 我沒有要聽你但是你不要跟我說但是我現在要叫你給人民一個答案以後我在你上面所查詢的醫生的資料通通都查得到是不是合格醫生都可以確認 |
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這樣而已 我要求這樣而已可以嗎我只要聽答案我不想聽到你跟我講但是我們目前的資料庫裡面有證照的其實你只要他姓名打進去應該都查得到不要講應該你們以前允許醫生自己說我不想被查詢現在改進了沒 |
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跟我們報告基本上我們在做這個事還是要兼顧民眾的權益以及我們對各執法的責任啊千菜你在說什麼這樣你這個查詢平台廢掉 |
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大家聽下去嗎?他說我要查詢這一個醫生有沒有合格執照他說要兼顧醫生的個人資料保護個人資料保護涵蓋這一個有合格執照的查詢嗎?保長你聽下去嗎?你聽下去嗎?你聽下去嗎?你不用改進嗎? |
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你如果這樣,合格不合格一失,我怎麼確認?我怎麼確認?寶弟兄你給我看,你想好這裡回答,他沒有回答,主席這個問題就說得很離地了啦 |
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好 我們來檢討這個五月諮詢的時候 林靜儀也說非檢討不可 一定要改進林靜儀在這裡講的非檢討不可 一定要改進今天醫事司司長沒來一個代理的副署長來說沒要改變 要維持管中 |
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叫補充來回答 補充說補充說我會再改進 現在你是當這個立法院的立委都空的你叫是這裡都空的 都在這裡親切公共的這個就是藐視國會啦 不怪人家的企業要給你處罰 |
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補充你不知道在回答 人家的處長在你這咖聲喔你這種補充是要跟人家做什麼補充啊沒有啦 委員報告 那個補充他從頭到尾 他非常非常關心這個事情啦喔真的 我必須要說明 啊現在這個補充 我有兩個部分第一個這林靜儀負責的啊 不是你啊沒有啦 不是啦 |
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現在有兩個我們現在目前確實有我們有在處理第一個只要這個如果說這個醫師他是我們的這個他是有公務人員身份的話對不對根據任用法還有根據這一 |
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不要再說了啦 醫師很多沒公務人員身份所以你的意思就是說你還沒辦法讓人查詢到底醫生是有白的還是沒白的沒辦法查詢所以你如果說成這樣我就跟你說啦宣布廢除查詢系統啦跟你們說 |
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合格的醫生我衛福部沒有要給你查啦沒有資料給你查啦沒有管理給人民查啦有資料你給人民這樣說啦報告委員我們現在目前這個部分有一個現在目前還沒有修法之前馬上就可以做的今天不是在講國會的藐視國會罪喔今天講的是政治責任大家都可以問責的是 |
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所以我一直注定說不是有藐視國會罪這個有比藐視國會罪還更嚴重的這是政治上的責任喔你來告訴全台灣的人民說合格醫師的查詢系統是無法查詢的 |
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包委 不願意被查詢包委我們這個一定 你剛才說兩個第一要公務人員 你要讓人查詢沒有公務人員的報告委員你先給我解釋一下好不好你再說 |
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有關查詢 我們這個馬上做這個裡面 現在就是說我們會折成那個地方這邊就是社會局跟衛生局這邊的整個那個整個機場馬上做每一個都可以查詢的到是不是合格的嗎我不要你們再給我維持原狀這個有客製網的問題嗎 |
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各支法 再來啊 各支法可以阻卻你是否有執照嗎各支法可以用來掩護 然後阻卻人民去查詢這個醫生是不是合法的醫生你們說這種話 你說得出來 你是要各支法還是不該各支法各支法就一條 你聽清楚我聽清楚 |
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好那跟我們做報告原來這個查詢的目的是你只要知道這個醫師的名字你就可以上去查他有沒有醫師資格目前我們原來系統設計就是查詢系統就是這樣的一個設計您在講什麼您在講的應該是我們在網頁上可以讓民眾公開的去查詢什麼叫做我剛才講的問題你們是要醫師願意被查詢才能查詢得到 |
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你這個副署長 你什麼都不知道 還在這裡亂講你當做立委 跟你一樣打架不清楚嗎我諮詢過林靜儀了 林靜儀要聽話你現在部長聽不聽 副市長也聽不聽現在女市長或許聽得懂 但是那不是你的業務主管你也沒權利當代表你的衛福部工委 |
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像一個這麼簡單的合格醫師查詢系統是一個沒有辦法查詢的系統這個問題你就撒不清楚 |
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主席 我要問的 今天要問的問題 這只是百分之一主席很不好意思 我只是說因為這一路的規劃都有參與所以有跟您報告說它初始的本意是這樣的設計對 您剛剛講的這個部分我們做一下確認在各支法授權的範圍內我們可不可以完全的把個人的資料做在網站公開揭露 |
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醫療法被要授予的醫師到底有沒有執照 要被查詢 可被查詢 個資法哪一條阻卻了我們要問衛福部這個醫生到底有醫生的這條是不是合計的醫生沒有個資法會阻卻這一種行為嗎 |
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報告委員因為個資法的主管權責也不在法務部所以在這個部分你不跟我說 現在以前是法務部現在好像 我不知道問國發會國發會有人來嗎現在是怎樣 |
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這麼簡單的問題 整個政府沒辦的人 我就決定這麼簡單的問題 這麼做到保證 署長 副署長沒辦的 我就回答你現在是在爭笑喔包委員我想那個 前面以前是這樣子啦那我想未來我們一定來把它處理這個我已經聽過了 很久很久很久了 |
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主席 我不曉得怎麼諮詢了我不能用火冒山葬這四個字來形容我此時的狀況什麼專報 大家現在說什麼都不知道阿也說白痴 又搞不清楚 |
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我告訴你喔 我們立法院這裡大家都聽過都聽得很清楚 只有你們搞不清楚這樣啊 就你們做補定 補定我來做補定叫我們喔 議事人員咧 我們的主席來做沒有搞不清楚 |
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我們很清楚好 那你告訴我你告訴我你的醫事查詢系統可以查到每一個醫生都是不是合法有執照的人不是大聲大聲就好你就被他暗控你 你搞不清楚 |
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你的系統根本就是有問題你聽不清楚你你現在是怎樣自己搞不清楚在說白人聽不清楚我們很清楚啊哪裡很清楚啊你以前就是因為公司法的問題如果大家在乎我們當然來檢討這樣可以嗎對啊我就是問你啊我就是問你檢討什麼 忽略什麼 |
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你現在是在做什麼你現在是在欺騙人民你現在是在嚴肅人醫你現在在大陸吃大餐你現在有這招沒這招醫生查詢不出來這個就是你醫事查詢系統的問題有合計沒合計查不出來你的諮詢系統沒用有醫生這招就是有合計 |
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你現在是在說什麼我去查詢他會顯示這個人是不是有合格醫師執照無法確定因為他可能不願意被查詢 |
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應該是說沒有放在公開他不願意被查詢就不公開所以這個醫生到底是無合格的醫生還是無合格不可以被查詢無法確認什麼叫做不合格的醫生呢就有這招除了他有犯什麼罪那當然另外的處理 |
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應該是這樣吧 現在還聽不懂我去查詢邱太元是不是一個合計的醫生他會跟你說查不到資料有可能他是沒這招的 也有可能他是有這招但是沒被人公佈的那這一個醫事查詢系統剛剛有留言他如果沒這招他會叫做醫生啦 |
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1062.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1070.448 |
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這樣世間就沒有那個...沒有那個雞排的醫生啊你們剛抓到而已這個醫美案來來來醫美案大生牛奶真書面是那個那間診所叫這個法律才有雞排的醫生假醫事人員怎麼會沒有雞排的醫生怎麼會沒有是你傻不?是你不知道 |
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你一個部長不知道 不是沒有那個假的醫生你如果能夠提 委員幫委員如果能夠提出證據來看哪一位我們就要查嘛對不對 你不能說一位我們 這是制度的問題你現在 你的制度有問題啊你的制度有問題啊 中華民國的國會醫生這角可以叫做醫生啊來啊你沒辦法查 我要去查是不是醫生 我要去找他查啊 |
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1121.062 |
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我要去哪裡查?是不是在醫事平台上查?但是查出來沒有告訴我具體答案查出來是說有可能他是合計的,但是他沒有讓你查 |
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阿我查你這個醫事平台還在做什麼過去很多人都是這樣沒關係 阿我們現在你要改進阿你要改進阿你還在這裡做什麼你不改進還在這裡賣立委賣立委你為什麼要在這裡頓挪賣立委 |
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1151.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1158.509 |
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你們的系統有瑕疵然後你說要改進你之前他一個半月前也說要改進 夠改進沒有 他說我五月執行他說你一個月內要改進我們五月二十九號沒有當時執行又不到一個禮拜就馬上召集開會啦我們要看到改進的結果啊因為你在這裡 之前的時候跟我們說一個月啊之前的時候跟我們說一個月啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1203.832 |
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一個位我是要研議要怎麼做比較好的一個平台你去把質詢領帶出來他說一個位你要改進不是說一個位要研議這如果今天研究就是要來公佈可以公佈的這個技術我現在這只是一個企圖而已我要查詢人醫跟他說公佈這個醫生移送懲戒當中更有困難 需要什麼法源依據 |
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第一個 第二個 如果這個醫生是不是合格醫生他不願意被公佈 不讓人家查詢還談什麼註記啊 還談什麼移送懲戒當中啊還談什麼判刑確定啊你那個醫事查詢平台 連醫生都不見得百分之百查得到我還在裡面談什麼改進啊 |
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我們會在更公開的部分來公開第一個公開就是要先確定每一個醫生都在可以被查詢的是否為合格醫生的平台裡面每一個那查不到的就確認他不是合格的嘛你現在不是每一個醫生啊 |
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你的覆蓋率可能只有八成 七成我們不知道 我的研究看在這個法律的立場上面 怎麼樣來符合林正義也這樣說 我現在要問的是說一月質詢 你告訴我四月會完成五月質詢 你說六月可以做得到現在七月再質詢說你如果還沒做到 你再說八月如果到九月就要再質詢一次現在因為你一直拖 一直拖 一直拖 |
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沒有啦,這要依法辦理嘛我現在跟你們說哪裡法律有障礙 |
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| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1318.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
連違反兒少法都可以直接公佈姓名的你們為什麼沒有公佈醫療懲罰它就有一定的規定法律就規定了那是在兒少法或保護法醫師法醫療法這個部分我們是不是兒少法沒有阻卻醫生不能夠被公佈 |
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1331.557 |
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兒少法對兒少侵害的這就是這個不兒少侵害的部分他已經是特別法了特別法優先於普通法要公佈呢 |
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你們都沒有公佈如果確定是判決 有啊 確定的啊事實上你們的大問題 因為你去日內瓦沒有聽到你們的大問題就是從來沒有用過醫師法25條第4款移送醫生交付懲戒 |
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1353.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1368.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
有史以來你們的包庇人醫全部都是用破刑確定加移送懲戒所以我一開始就說你們是這樣包庇的從來沒有用違反醫學倫理移送懲戒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1391.668 |
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沒關係 這沒關係 現在問你們 現在你們說沒有法源依據 我覺得說每一個醫事人員後面 因為人百分之一九十九點到的醫生 都是假牌的醫生 都是修幾件修法的醫生 你就為了那一顆老鼠屎 你不願意公佈 然後呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1405.83 |
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我們沒有不願意公佈 我是要依法辦理你就沒有公佈啊 依法 兒少相關的法律要公佈 你怎麼不公佈兒少的話當然要公佈啊你們沒有公佈啦 公佈在哪裡 你告訴我 你公佈在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1407.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1407.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
公佈在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1438.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1458.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
哪一個哪一個有法援醫去的你都沒有公布請問一下委員你調查的這麼清楚可不可以告訴我一下哪一位醫師是侵犯到青少年而沒有公布的來我上一次質詢質詢林靜儀的時候就有說過了可以再講一次嗎我馬上來處理我馬上來處理那個印象頭的手機 |
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1472 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
沒關係我們絕對不枉不仲你要先確定這個醫師能不能在你的醫事平台網頁上可以查詢得到第一個第二個第二個第二個第二個你要公布在哪裡你的外部部哪裡可以被公布 |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1519.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
蛤?你要公布在你的哪個平台?這個是每一個階段都會有處理嘛從醫院本身那如果他是屬於醫學院醫院大學我想這個部分我們已經執行過好幾次了然後再送醫療程這個部分每一個部分都有它法律上的規定在處理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1540.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
那上次我們也執行到台大 是不是你速度上有比較慢法律上的規定台灣大學的主祕 台灣大學的院長也都親自來這邊報告了嘛你現在都說成這樣你上面就沒有在 你回去看我的執行那依照法律程序在處理 你們就是沒有 |
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1542.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1553.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
輕輕放下醫師法25條使用第四款有用過嗎?這五年有用過嗎?這十年有用過嗎?舉例給我聽都等判刑確定的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1557.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1572.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
是跟委員報告醫師法第25條懲戒是地方來執行那我問的問題是說用第4款移送懲戒的資料給我什麼好 什麼好確實有違反醫療倫理被懲戒的這個部分我們蒐集資料以後會後提供什麼 你在說什麼我問你們兩個你現在跟我說我們回去再查我問你們兩個 |
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1587.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1607.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
在這裡也不用過啦好啦 我們一個禮拜之內好不好什麼一個禮拜之內送給委員你不是要聽我未成年的這個資料嗎邵醫師在這裡 有聽到有人人事時地物都有 醫生的名字也有那有沒有接觸過一公佈的 先跟你們說 你們跟他們公佈沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1610.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1633.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
跟大聲講到這麼大聲跟講到這麼大聲我不知道你哪來的底氣為你行政的你們這樣相包庇這些狼醫還能夠講得這麼大聲哪來的底氣啊我們只是覺得大家醫療體系說全國的醫師那麼認真在照顧病人不能受到污衊新北市 |
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1634.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1658.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
職業醫生來 明知甲為16歲以上未滿18歲的少年等等 我看一下醫生名稱被告孔梵錦孔梵錦 赫赫有名還累犯他已經被廢除證書了啊在廢除證書以前有公佈嗎有公佈嗎有公佈嗎 你公佈在哪裡還有別的勒 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1663.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1668.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我們都在走程序才會到達會照的這個最嚴厲的處罰了青菜公共你們在走什麼程序你們在用醫師法第25條第一款你沒有用第四款還有一個心臟科的 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1683.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1697.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
心臟科醫生,你自己喔,一萬一計算,你一萬一計算,不當一回事你的醫師是兩本啊,你一萬一就沒來什麼都搞不清楚,醫師是市長,有什麼,兩本都沒來 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1703.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1718.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
沒來沒關係,他會走不遠,要回去檢討,也沒檢討你以為在這裡1月的時候說4月會做得到,5月的時候說給我到6月現在7月了還沒做到,說給我到8月8月了還說等一下到時候就說9月 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1721.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1734.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
我們非常誠懇的來處理這件事情你的誠懇你從剛才你剛才丟起來你們完全你搞不清楚然後還還在這裡對立法院這麼大聲我告訴你政治上的意識形態上的我有跟你講到跟你憂鬱無關的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1747.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1764.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
但是你用詞真的傷害到人家啦這個我想你做這種傷害人民 傷害北方的事情我不能代替人民來這裡面我哪一句用詞傷害到你們來 我哪一句話不是事實傷害到你們我哪一句話 你舉例給我聽我哪一句話讓你覺得我傷害到你哪一句話 我講哪一句話不恰當我給你道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1775.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1787.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
我講哪一句話不是事實我給你道歉哪一句我想不用啦這個沒有你剛才說得清楚多一句話我說的不是事實我給你道歉多一句話我措辭不當傷害到你大家公平大家覺得我有錯我公開在這裡給你道歉你不可以在這裡污衊立委我多一句話你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1804.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1808.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
說一段我講完我自尊了不適當大家公平我給你道歉還是說今天你說不出來我要你來污衊抹黑栽贓立委我們沒有做這種事來你直接指控我我的言語不當傷害到你們啊我哪一段哪一句啊你怎麼罵我們搞不清楚啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1830.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1840.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
幫我們這麼努力 同仁那麼努力 醫藉也那麼努力你有搞得清楚嗎 不要講醫藉 跟醫藉無關是你邱部長帶領的衛福部副司長搞不清楚 次長不是呂健德 次長負責的是你 到現在還搞不清楚 是你個人 你個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1857.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1875.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
林靜儀剛開始也聽不懂 後來他聽懂了林靜儀只有兩句話 他說這是不對的我們一定要改 非改不可當時林靜儀就是這麼說而你今天在這裡翻盤跳腳我們沒有翻盤 我們會努力沒有啦好啦 沒關係啦 我說你搞不清楚 叫我傷害你們但要看你是不是真的搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1887.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1889.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
那你就真的搞不清楚我要談什麼傷害我告訴你兒少的 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1899.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1926.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
季孟宏來新竹國泰醫院心臟科判決確定但是在判決確定以前沒有人知道他是狼醫而且依照這個醫師這個兒少相關的權益要公佈姓名你們公佈在哪裡告訴大家這個人是狼醫他現在調照了沒還有沒有繼續在執業 有沒有有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
1929.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1943.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
我上次質詢都講得一清二楚這位醫師有經過新竹醫師懲戒委員會進行處理然後他在新竹已經停業了他還有沒有執照 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
1945.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1967.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
這個我們做最後的確認 你不知道他有沒有公佈他性騷擾未成年的孩子有沒有被公佈法律有沒有說可以公佈 有那你們有沒有給他公佈他是狼醫有嗎 沒有啦你們有什麼系統可以公佈 沒有啦通通都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
1973.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1994.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
移送懲戒 你們都用判刑確定才移送 沒有用違反醫學倫理 這我要說幾百遍啦然後呢 你們的醫事查詢系統 我要查詢是不是人醫 沒得查詢我要查詢他是不是一個合格的醫師 你們的查詢系統不精準 查不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1996.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2005.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
今天你說這麼多時間 我不是要這陣子啦好啦 大家知道啦 你不是要這陣子 但是把很多問題都提出來不然等一下都可以理解這個情形啦 好不好對啦 一個禮拜之內 應該是針對你們所提出來的沒有啦 我們是要看他 當時要改善改進啦 要做到好我不是要聽他講 他要開始研議啦 他已經聽半年了沒有錄影啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2021.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2028.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
他會講說他沒有法源依據啊我沒有叫你公告他那個我叫你說他現在移送懲戒當中有沒有法律上的困難這個醫生現在移送懲戒當中就是這樣子告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2043.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2049.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
因為他有公務人員身份根據任用法還有服務法其實事實上是應該如果有重大情勢的話按照公務人員其實事實上是有這一個可以有那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2063.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2067.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
可以那個進行停職這個執行機關是在台大醫院那我們會來督促好不好不是啦你說的那是停職啊我現在講是人民的知情權民眾要有知的權利我要第一個我要知道每一個醫生是不是都是合格的醫生我要衛福部的查詢系統通通都可以精準正確的查詢的到第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2089.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2098.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
這個醫生是不是有被判刑還沒調照然後他移送懲戒都要被看得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2100.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2123.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
我們要知情權你在醫療體系這些少數的老鼠屎破壞醫生的形象然後呢還是不斷還是有人那我去看醫生我不知道我都要自保自保之前我先查詢一下這個醫生有沒有前科查詢一下這個醫生有沒有被交付懲戒查詢一下這個醫生是不是合格的醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2124.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2126.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
為什麼我們要這種知情群障礙會這麼的高門檻這麼高呢障礙這麼大呢這是不應該的 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2134.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2154.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
好 剛剛就有特別提醒衛福部第一個就是那個平台嘛第二個是你在什麼時候就開始要停止他職業嘛不管他有具備公務人員身份還是沒有具備公務人員身份應該都有一套的SOP才對啦停止是為了不讓他繼續傷害別人所以這是一個星期內就必須要有完整性的作為跟委員會做報告就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2155.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2173.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
但是停止不代表人民就知道喔你停止他我們怎麼知道所以你的平台要包含他是不是停止當中他交付懲戒當中他在職業當中對不對好一個星期內喔所有座位好謝謝 |