IVOD_ID |
162949 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162949 |
日期 |
2025-06-30 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-28 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第28次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
28 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第28次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-06-30T09:49:43+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-06-30T09:58:06+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:08:23 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0b047677e7ec786eb45f8416fcf95f95ae3a86deb72054c9d613b3b430d254bccdf77eee62e812e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
委員發言時間 |
09:49:43 - 09:58:06 |
會議時間 |
2025-06-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第28次全體委員會議(事由:一、審查行政院函請審議「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」。二、審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。三、審查委員賴惠員等21人擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。【僅詢答及宣讀提案條文;第四案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】) |
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我請主委曾主委有請主委我記得上次我有質詢就是說對於平埔族的登記很多很複雜的工作啦我上次質詢到現在也說長不長啦但我不知道你們 |
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我諮詢完之後你們這個後續的準備工作你們進行了如何好各位報告齁這個法案我們提出來之後送到大宴來之後我們去年當然就已經開了九場的座談會那這個月北中南都各各我們就各開了一場那是由我親自來主持齁我親自來面對我們的這個 |
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平埔族人那所以我們也整理了他們大概有一些他們的主要的意見還有一些當然有主要有很多也是希望說就直接加入這個原住民的生活法這個也有但也有就是說希望就是說這個現在的這個原住民族基本法 |
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有的他們並不盡量完全適用是不是還要再外加一些就是說他們要另外再更保障他們這個都有我們都有整理很明顯的啦如果可以開放登記一開始開放登記你的地方的 |
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地方的有的是園民會有的是園民局有的是什麼的他們能力夠不夠那中央到底能不能有能力去承擔這一些很多平埔族人要來登記那跟委員報告這一開始我們主要是先解決這個認定原住民族就是他是平埔族然後就要認定他個人個人身份先做這個身份的這個登記 |
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後續的潛力義務 我想我們也會很快的就跟上能做的我們就先做啦 東北這個不容易啦 但是就是當然我們還是要先做不是啦 不是啦 主委 我知道 這些我都知道啦我是說他要登記的時候 可能一下子湧了好幾萬人要來登記那我們能不能負擔這一個啦上次我的質詢 大概是這個方向嘛 |
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那我覺得啦你們還是要及早準備啦尤其要跟地方要準備啦尤其是我不知道主委你說平埔族身份的認定啦齁其實齁 |
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啊 有一句話啦齁有當三公 沒當三媽啦齁那其實啊 很多人搞不好身上都有頻譜逐流的血液喔這個我們預估大概是一百萬對不對 嗯但有可能更多啊 對不對這個所以你們啊 這個很多的啊 必須還是及早準備啦齁另外啊齁 |
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我們院版12條裡面有寫一個這個登記期間的限制登記期間的限制就是5年嘛,剛剛也有人講,必要時再延長5年主委你覺得這一個5加5這樣子你覺得有沒有時間夠不夠,會不會太短 |
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這個跟委員報告我們跟平埔族的族人就是說北中南還有到東部做黨的時候他們也認為 |
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是不是五年太短是可不可以五年過了是不是再延長或者是有人是講是不是可以定二十年那這個我想我們也多尊重我們現在回來之後也在想是不是跟將來進入這個法條的審查是不是也跟大院委員來做一個請教就是說是怎麼樣是不是一定要二十年嗎還是十五年還是到了以後再來延也都可以 |
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其實我為什麼會提這個問題有判例 如果你這樣子給他限制他的他的身份是與生俱來的如果用年限來這樣子的話會不會有違憲的問題會違憲的問題嗎 |
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你們應該去研究一下這個是會不會因為他的身份本來就是與生俱來的啊對不對那我請教一下如果說剛好5加50年對不對 |
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他剛好人都在國外或什麼的他來不及回來或他回來的時候發現他有這個身份那他要登記我們跟他講說完全不行這個狀況也有可能會出現所以我覺得我們這個真的是要再討論那如果說以我們現在採取登記制 |
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會不會說來比如說現在有一個葛馬蘭族但會不會再出現他新取得的叫做葛馬蘭平埔族會不會有這個情況出現我跟委員報告不要說平埔原住民你現在山地原住民也有排灣族他是山地原住民他也是平地原住民 |
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有啊一樣這個其實現在就有了所以那麼你是譬如說撒基拉亞現在是平地原住民也有可能我們平埔原住民裡面也會有撒基拉亞族對啊對啊所以主委你很清楚我現在所說的問題那所以未來我們台灣的原住民族會不會超過三四十族一個 |
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不會了應該16再加現在平埔最少是可能最多是10個組16加2626不會再我想來平埔組現在10個大概10個大概10個那我們現在目前的本來就有的大概就16組對對不對那我剛剛跟你所說的會不會出現一個這個 |
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葛瑪蘭的平埔族你也說有可能啊對不對所以你光平埔族裡面也有可能有16個他認為他是比如說葛瑪蘭的平埔族或什麼等等的會不會有這種情況出現會啊會啊因為他又是葛瑪蘭嘛他是平原對啊 |
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不是我跟你講很多情況都可能發生啦主委你知道我在說什麼所以未來台灣的這個原住民族絕對不是像你們剛說的10族然後再加16族26族也有可能會更多這個我都覺得啦我們在這個立法的過程或什麼我們都要必須要去考量啦因為從以前到現在 |
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通婚太多了啦對不對你不能限定他說他只有一個啊對不對這通婚那麼多啊尤其是平埔族或什麼都有他的各我們現在講的平埔族的始祖裡面有很多都有不同的文化啊對不對他連講一講他的文化是都不一樣的啊對不對所以我說的那種情況有可能會再出現很多族啊對不對我們要提早因應啦好不好好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝張宏祿召委的資訊 |