| IVOD_ID |
162887 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162887 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-20,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-26T09:20:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-26T09:27:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b546098ab7db50628c63015cdb5cfa58be1699f4405fe9f4ee86841c083e3aac1ddeb1cac72fbc55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:20:48 - 09:27:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函為監察院114年度辦理「2025年第37屆澳紐及太平洋地區監察使年會暨人權國際研討會」所需經費不敷，請同意動支114年度中央政府總預算第二預備金750萬元支應案。） |
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主席麻煩請監察院王代理秘書長好 監察院王代理秘書長今天為了這個750萬的這個要動用第二預備金立法院專門財政委員會專門開這個會這個還不是只有委員會同意就可以了還要到院會去這功臣浩大 |
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為了750萬所發揮的這些行政成本恐怕就已經佔了相當的比例了你看這麼多的立法委員要開一天的會然後立法院要為這個開一天的會然後要送到院會 全院的委員會來決議你不覺得這樣子有點功成浩大嗎 |
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報告委員監察院的確是有時間上的急迫性然後真的有時虛那為了國家的形象所以會這樣子的提出走這樣子的預算法的程序 |
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我就是提醒你觀察到最後才想要詳細的了解這個預算為什麼會被刪掉啊你們原來在本院在審理預算的時候你們委員會是內政司法法治委員會那司法法治委員會在審查預算的時候你們沒有跟他好好報告嗎你們沒有好好跟他們說明嗎為什麼這些委員要刪除你們這個預算呢可不可以說明一下 |
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跟委員說明本院監察院的預算是在立法院的司法及法治委員會當時我們是提出來把這個相關的預算是放在議事的業務裡面總共剛剛有1800多萬然後在委員會審查的時候是沒有任何的結果就是保留送院會處理 |
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我的意思是說在審查過程中因為我也在本院在立法院已經二十幾年了審查的過程中是我們這需要預算的單位要很積極的跟該委會的委員做溝通說明說這一筆經費對我們確實有急需有很需要你們有去做這個詳盡的說明嗎 |
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跟我說明在審預算的過程中當時是我們的前秘書長李秘書長都有做非常詳細的說明然後我們也有特別強調本筆經費的重要性跟急迫性所以在委員會是全案保留送院會那院會的時候 |
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165.438 |
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在提出要刪減在院會這個階層提出要刪減這個預算的提案的時候你們有沒有機會來跟這個立法院的黨團各個黨團做說明做報告啊 |
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175.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
192.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
在院會審查的時候原則上我們沒有這樣子的機會再做說明所以就是這個預算你們當初因為有需要所以你們編列了那編列送到本院來之後給司法法制委會審查你們的預算的時候 |
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193.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
204.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
他是有經過詳細的說明但是全案保留送院會那院會提出三檢動議的這個過程中幾乎也沒有協討的機會嘛你們連講話的機會都沒有嘛這樣就預算就亂七八糟就亂砍一堆啦請問監察院的這些經費被砍到你們的理負院長有來跟我說明啊說被砍了90幾%啊 |
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218.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
227.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
他說企務監察院就沒有辦法運作啊李副院長跟我們市立法院的老同事啊那你們以前的李秘書長也是我們的老同事李副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
231.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
251.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
是我地方上我的朋友啊他就遇到我就跟我講說啊這個根本監察院就運作不下去啊那目前除了這750萬因為你們要辦這個世界的會年會的會議你認為有急需之外那其他的呢其他的監察院怎麼辦還是監察院這個機關所有的人都領薪水就好了什麼事情都不用做啊 |
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253.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
276.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
跟委員說明監察院的確是相關的業務費用是佔了96%那所以是因為我們是憲政機關相關的監察業務甚至其他的法定的業務比如說像陽光司法國家人權等等的都必須要落實運作所以監察院在3月份的時候有提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
277.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
277.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
大廳話語 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
299.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
309.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
李副院長跟我講說電費只有繳到二月後面都是用欠的那你打算怎麼還台電這筆錢啊難怪台電都被這些政府機關欠電費難怪人家付不出來人家台電會虧損啊要補給人家利息嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
313.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
337.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
更為說明 有關於本院到114年5月底我們總共已經欠費1150多萬元那其中有關於電費的部分呢 也是324萬我一個建議啦 這個你聽聽看啦假設這個機關不能運作 大家電都關起來也不要來上班然後在家裡睡覺等著領薪水就好啦因為這是 這是立法院把你們刪除的啊 又不是你們願意的 |
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340.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
369.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
不然大家去立法院 去監察院開電 連電梯都沒有電可以用啊不能坐電梯啊 還不能開啊節省經費 電都關起來 冷氣不要吹對不對我們現在要不要廢除監察院 這是憲政層次的問題但是如果它事實上存在用這樣的方式對待我覺得這是不合理的啊真的沒道理啊 所以預算亂砍 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
370.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
372.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
面對大罷免才在那邊大緊張所以我就覺得說不能這樣子對外中華民國憲法啦你要修憲 走修憲的程序來嘛而不是立法院去侵奪其他各區各院的權責嘛我們立法院沒有比較大啊大家是平行機構啊也沒有鄰家在你們之上啊也沒有我比你大的問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
393.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
415.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
我不知道這樣講你這樣不贊成那希望今天你這個經費能夠通過啦如果通不過我覺得就看開一點啦回去跟李鴻鈞報告啦所以就是不要給我們過啊所以我們大家是不是就是解散回家然後一樣照頂洗水就好這是你剛講說是我的建議啦好不好好謝謝你好謝謝秉瑞接著請賴思寶委員質詢請在召委 |