| IVOD_ID |
162859 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162859 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-25T11:39:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-25T11:51:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3c0085a4689617f5f2697ca94a758f91d00eebfa22cd2c4c7cefc3e4f112f4f0eaacb00881420dbc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:39:39 - 11:51:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員王定宇等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第五十四條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員廖先翔等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員張宏陸等30人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員王義川等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員陳素月等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。【第六案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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請部長跟署長先請博定來 博定博定 博定署長先休息一下 先請教博定博定 現在大家很關心這個租金帖啊應該圓滿解決了嘛不會再發不出去了 如果再不發再延宕就真的像今天的這個 |
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詐欺的這個犯罪了喔好不好有問題嗎目前還有什麼沒有解凍的問題嗎應該沒有吧 |
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租金補貼我並不清楚張委員所指的是什麼事情有關租金補貼的部分在今年總統公布了那個今年的那個預算之後那我們就按照預算的額度來發放那現在發放的過程呢都是由地方政府來負責審查那我們只有抽查所以目前為止有關那個房屋租屋組的這個補貼到今年為止的話是沒有問題的博電你看看你一直三月三十吧你說被凍結了兩百億嘛對不對 |
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我問你我說那個案子在哪裡沒有人找到這個案子你後來找到這個動200億這個案子嗎報告委員在行政院所提的這個整體送到立法院的這個預算裡面我要跟委員報告就是有關租屋族的津貼就是包括我們包租貸款跟社會住宅那當時在住宅基金裡面呢如果以今年度來講的話我們的額度是414億 |
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那但是呢我們的缺額因為基金的預算的撥補是由行政院來撥補給部會那因為行政院所有的錢包括未來的有所謂的636億要自行調組那行政院就認為說200億的撥補是有問題的所以我所指的部分是指這200億 |
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你把這個提案給我啦報告委員這個不是提案就是我跟您提到的我們這個部分是內部在公文轉成的時候就是在住宅基金裡面是200億的撥補是由行政院撥補的因為我多次都在這個地方講的完全都沒有改變過我們也不認為我們是造謠請委員多多查處那事實上在立法院審的過程裡面就是租金的補貼一毛錢都沒有刪嘛 |
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事實上也沒有凍結這筆預算那你一直在講說是有凍結一部分我後來去查是國土計劃法延宕的叫你來報告就解凍了報告委員您所講的部分應該就是民眾黨所提的國土計劃那因為民眾黨對於國土計劃法的審議過程當中大概有不盡滿意的地方所以你們希望用這樣子的方式來懲處國土署但是國土署他們現在所處的所謂的諸乎 |
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補貼的部分呢確實是像我所說的我們的住宅基金總共需要匡列414億裡面的200億是由行政院撥補那因為行政院的預算是被凍結的所以我的意思這個凍結是這樣子來的意思那這個呢在我們的卓院長對外說明的時候也有多次說明那個200億是其中的這個很多預算裡面之一所以保定 |
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立法院沒有砍他一毛錢對不對那所有你說我們台灣民眾黨報告委員我想您要查處清楚好嗎立法院沒有砍他一毛錢我尊重委員的說法但是事實上我們確實是有被刪掉預算也有被凍結預算 |
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在租金補貼這一塊一毛錢都沒有砍啊我跟委員報告 我已經跟委員報告過我們租金補貼不足的部分在住宅基金裡面的撥補200億是由行政院要撥補的基金預算的申請跟審核跟過程就是由我們的部會跟行政院來申請對嘛 所以阿婆 你說的就是636嘛636你不要讓中央行政院砍掉一毛錢你不是砍了地方的一般補助款嗎 |
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各個縣市政府不是跳起來報告召委員你每天都說沒啊沒啊沒啊啊到底進行勒那今年的年稅跟今年的年稅我們開始在供行政院送到立法院預算的時候當時是刪多少動多少後來是解動多少但是仍然我們有刪除的很多預算還沒有被追加回來現在不就是這樣的樣態嗎 |
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所以委員都講說你們的提案你們的提案但是我所說的我在所有的會議裡面我並沒有說民眾黨提案這個部分我只是說住宅基金預算裡面按照這樣的程序我們就是被凍結200億 |
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報告委員我在地方政府跟中央政府都待過我知道公務預算跟基金預算是指什麼一回事我講的部分並沒有違反可能是委員在聽的過程當中被斷章取義了一般的民眾不會認為說立法院沒有砍的這個預算 |
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一般的民眾不會認為立法院完全沒有砍到行政院的預算是要去砍我們的要砍到我們的輸進補貼沒關係這個讓社會去公平啦給我個書面啦來現在比較重要的保證我今天講的是保證問題解決了嘛對不對你說有凍結預算什麼現在預算解凍了沒有 |
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問題都解決了沒有現在租金的補貼還有任何問題嗎?報告委員我要跟委員報告基金預算不是用年度來做那個分野的那現在基金預算到今年度之前 |
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我們仍然是可以發放明年之後會不會碰到什麼狀況第一個現在我們的這個今年的總預算的部分或者是財政收支劃分法到底有沒有違憲等等這些我們都尊重行政院的主計總署做這個分配那但是呢現在憲法法庭還沒有就預算的部分或者是財化法的部分做最後的採取之前呢幾乎都是未定你說你剛才說年底疫情沒問題嗎 |
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你對陣情沒問題啊 我可以報警你這沒問題嗎有沒有 部長在年底之前發放還有任何問題嗎沒有嘛齁我跟委員講過 |
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基金預算不是年度預算那既然基金預算不是年度預算在我的能力之內也就是說沒有經過釋憲或是沒有經過憲法法庭到今年年底之前我們的基金的預算裡面跟住宅有關的要撥給各地方政府來處理租金補貼的部分的話是沒有問題但是過了今年以後我們要尊重行政院的主計總署 |
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再分配包括公務預算或是包括基金預算上面的額度那這個額度是多少的話恐怕就要看立法院跟行政院之間未來有沒有做其他的一個協調或是其他更好的一個修正的工作所以你對進行都沒問題嘛今年都沒問題嘛我現在就跟你討論這個問題你看你的網站上面啦300億元中央擴大租金補貼專案你在貼著呢如果預算沒有如期解凍 |
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預估租金補貼經費將在114年的11月用慶這個怎麼還在上面呢你剛才說年底以前沒問題啊怎麼還有用慶問題要到11月他出什麼事情 |
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那這樣好不好 那個我想我們在網站上面的更新的部我們來修正一下改成12月內政部的行政效率這麼差嗎 是錯的問題這個跟委員抱歉一下這不是用什麼虛假的那個謠言呢 去恐嚇租屋主吧沒有問題喔 抱歉這國土署的部分 我有跟委員講 真抱歉就是11月我要改成12月所以今年度沒有問題了 第二趕快去把它撤下來 |
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另外現在再出一個 我來問一下那個 問一下署長最近啊 郭益晴 郭委員啊 馬上好吧 兩分鐘那個問一下署長啦 郭益晴 郭委員啊 他對一個路上直播的民眾啊他說行為鬼祟嘛 他說卡電話找這個警政署 對不對叫警察去處理 是 要怎麼處理 |
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那我們受理報案之後會了解那個實際的狀況到底那個這個行為人的行為到底是怎麼樣來做依法來做處理是你接到電話嗎我沒有接到電話因為是跟我們的這個這個110的這個一個地方警察的這個報案對啊 郭益勤說警方要去注意啊 後來你們怎麼處理這個案子那我們受理完之後就有依法去做處理怎麼樣處理 |
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那我們就是當時應該看行為人的這個的狀況大概在做錄影的這個情形有沒有一些違法的一個樣態來做一個來做處理案件有一些是爭吵的部分是爭吵不公開我們現在目前在爭吵是爭吵不公開我們等爭吵的結果再來做那是一個 |
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他後來也印證說沒有毫無證據嘛對不對他後來也道歉了嘛那現在問題嚴重在什麼地方今天為什麼要問這個問題還有民眾出現是什麼拍個街景而已喔說被說什麼違反國安規定 |
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還被剪掉還要約談部委我想就這樣因為有一些就是可能有一些牽涉到目前的這個狀況有一些在拍的這個部分可能針對學童針對一些狀況有一些可能有幕後有國安的這些相關問題那我們會逐案來做一個 |
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一個辨別嘛就是說這個如果是他是在拍街景的自己在自拍什麼這類的那當然就沒有這個問題但是事實上有一些我們發現可能有一些背後有一些國安的這些相關的這個議題有一些可能就是牽涉到幕後有一些特別的這個意義的那當然我們會立案來做審查你查到沒有檢為記你有查出任何一個人 |
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真的是斐迪獸在你身邊嗎我們現在目前有一些案件正在做說證當中因為我們也有受理跟他這一個跟不是屬於自拍也有在做這樣方面的一個狀況我們大概也有接受這樣的一個報案台灣是一個很善良的社會最美的風景就是人 |
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嚴重到在街上稍微自拍或者拍個街景我們這個部分應該會去辯別啦不是說這個他在自拍在做這個自己的行為就把他當作一個違法人權如果連這個都要抓齁我問一個我們沒有第一時間就要抓啦就是沒有這個意思了一定要查清楚嘛那以後行車紀錄器是不是要禁止行車紀錄器會不會拍到你剛剛講的那些事 |
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應該是不太會行車紀錄器可能拍得更廣喔那是不是也要禁止那個google那個地圖 |
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Google那個地圖不是拍得比這個更完整嗎那個有些是公共上的一個空間他明明他去拍得更完整你不去處理你要去處理一般的這個民眾就導出像過疫情這樣的事情有一些可能就是有沒有特殊目的可能牽涉到各自可能牽涉到這些相關的目的我們都要透過去做了解只要報案報完之後我們當然警察受理報案不是你的案件就會過程但是要透過了解 |
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去了解這個整個案件的真實的狀況是什麼情形我們警政署跟警察要做的事情我們是一定是依法的你光是今天要談這個詐騙這個案子要多少心力你現在花了心思去做這個事情就影響到這邊嗎何況現在打詐都還沒完全還沒有做好啊我剛講過了你這樣的話行車紀錄器啦 Google地圖啦甚至以後什麼是不是立個法以後都不能直播嗎 |
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最重要的不要一直用意識形態一直在擴別人紅帽子台灣真的是一個善良的社會 |