| IVOD_ID |
162858 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162858 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-25T11:28:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-25T11:39:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3c0085a4689617f52f45dd3201f16cc9d00eebfa22cd2c4c7cefc3e4f112f4f03bf7720ea16dc3525ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:28:43 - 11:39:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員王定宇等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第五十四條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員廖先翔等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員張宏陸等30人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員王義川等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員陳素月等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。【第六案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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謝謝,麻煩請我們劉世芳部長跟警政署署長好,部長跟署長 |
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部長好部長看到我們今天在針對詐騙犯罪的部分大家都希望能夠加嚴加緊讓詐騙從台灣越來越少那我看到現在我們這邊有比較說是打詐的一個成效先講我們的這個一個報告說比去年8月平均下降但是5月比4月成長了多少部長知道嗎 |
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五月比四月大概多件數是差不多但是大概是多十億左右百分之十四啊從七十六億變八十七億啊對啊所以真的部長大家都希望詐騙面對今天八十七億不是八十七萬不是八十七塊 |
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還是很高啊每一個案件裡面一萬多筆的案件裡面背後就是一萬多個破碎的家庭啊我想部長跟署長應該能認同這句話吧好來 那再請教因為本席之前一直講是說第一線的員警非常辛苦 |
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每一個員警我認識的 不管是分局長喔我們地方分局長 還是我們的派出所所長把握每一個機會參會 都會上台去宣導165反詐騙 都會去宣導我們要怎麼樣試詐防詐但是源頭沒有管理 源頭沒有控管那就永遠會有人被騙了 |
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那其中今天的簡報裡面有講到光一到五月下架違法假投資廣告六萬多則Meta 色詐訊息九萬多則 |
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那之前我也問過速發部速發部那時候講是說警政組織沒有通報所以說很難開罰後來才講是說有啦是當天詢問的時候當天通報所以當天會診之後開罰我們國人被騙了87億5月光5月就被騙了87億到目前為止速發部開罰Meta100萬那後續我想請教一下不管是Meta不管是Line |
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我們的報告裡面都寫了他有九萬多則詐騙的訊息有八千多則詐騙的訊息那源頭管理是不是應該要請企業主負起相關的責任他不能刊登廣告啊怎麼會一而再再放任說他廣告錢他賺然後他刊登了廣告讓國人受害受騙了我們的警察員警還要去 |
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海巡還要去視察把他通報了然後才要要求他下架那變成是我們的警察同盟變成是那些社群企業的下線啊部長署長你們怎麼看 |
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委員的這個論述確實有他的這個基礎在我覺得我在各種場合都強調做源頭的管理源頭那邊組織組掉了就可以組掉所有的這些被詐騙的一個訊息這個是一直我們努力的地方 |
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那我們現在也是跟主的這個樹花部在做通力合作未來在這個炸王條裡面是不是在對於網路廣告平台這些業者規範更嚴謹而且他們企業主也有他們自己本身的責任我們希望在這方面更加的這個完整那我們也朝這個方向來做一個努力好 部長部長李聖溫的學姐啦 |
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部長今天你可能在這邊覺得無奈只想說這是速發部的問題啊你放心速發部的問題我沒有少問過他但是今天是內政部警政署所有警察同仁在第一線那麼辛苦我為警察同仁抱不捨啊 |
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我說警察同仁要利用每個參會時間去上台去講165反詐騙然後結果我們放任詐騙廣告持續的出來其實說穿了詐騙廣告能夠減少的話我們詐騙的案件數以及詐騙的金額我相信至少一半以上因為他沒有管道去接觸到民眾了嘛 |
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那今天既然速發部他到目前為止只開發100萬喔我也強調我是對勢不對人我今天不是要針對哪一個企業公司要去開發而是90%以上的詐騙廣告都集中在同一家公司的時候怎麼會那個公司只有賺廣告的費用但是他沒有內部集合的把關機制讓詐騙廣告持續的出來我覺得這才是源頭啊所以也才需要部長跟部長這邊互相溝通啊 |
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不然內政部一定會覺得很納悶就說我又沒有裁罰的權利裁罰的權利在速發部啊那可是我們內政部警政署移送了那麼多案件給速發部結果速發部到目前為止只處理兩案 |
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署長能不能告訴我我們現在內政部警政署移送了多少案件給訴法部我們兩個第一次是15件第二次是23件23件15件那不管23件或15件這都是明證確鑿他通報了他也沒有下架所以你們才移送嘛是不是這個部分訴法部正在處理當中是但是訴法部現在跟我們的答案是說他會找相關人員開會啊我也不知道說要開什麼會啊 |
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都已經 民政確鑿你們已經組了九萬多則九萬多則裡面有十五件跟二十三件是真的屢勸不聽或是說他沒有二十四小時下架你們才移送那移送之後速發部說還要再開會再討論講不客氣的一天裡面就可以有多少人被詐騙了結果我們現在光移送一個十五件跟移送一個二十三件拖一個多月了沒有下文那這一些說不定他早就已經賺飽飽早就已經換廣告了不是嗎 |
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部長不要只有點頭啦是不是署長這個部分應該我們會同書報部共同來做一個處理那我想其實我們造文條例裡面對於這一些的業者他們自己本身也要這些他們的集合跟管理的機制只是在60度這個部分而已60度的部分的執行 |
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打詐五法打詐四法每一次都講說我們給予相關的法源依據要求業者但是業者有沒有落實這就是我們公部門應該要去執行跟努力的地方來再者另外一個部分一個多月左右有一個台中的女大生說被騙到東南亞 |
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那雖然到最後這個外公說繳付贖金然後還是沒辦法然後後來見報之後里長、民間人士來協助讓這個兩個女大生回來了嘛但是本席目前也接獲到好幾起的一個陳情都是有相關東南亞的這種不管是被騙去、被旅遊等等相關我也要確認一下是不是現在有死灰復燃的跡象 |
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我想這個應該是就是個案應該這個不多啦但是我們掌握的這個狀況有一些自己本身如果要到那邊去大概有一些都是他知情的狀況相對是這種不知情的不多沒有 |
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沒有那種情形有一些就是可能就是知情過去那邊在執行過程當中沒有達到這一些詐欺集團的這個目標所造成的這個情形那我們在於這個區塊對於外交部跟我們警政署移民署大概都有在做通力合作在做這樣的一個相關的協助跟研究兩三年前那時候疫情期間這種東南亞 |
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把我們變成人球 那是寧願致死的對 那寧願致死所以現在這個狀況 沒有這種情況是 本席現在提醒如果說他本來就已經他自己就知道說他要去犯罪了那當然我們該怎麼判就怎麼判我們也不會 |
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同情或是保護但是另外一個部分是針對一個月前左右這個新聞是說呂大生被騙去然後兩三個月然後到最後還要外公去繳付贖金這個新聞署長有看到吧有看到對那現在暑假將近 |
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本期也要再一次的提醒就是說針對七八月暑假將近來那警政署這邊在第一線包括說內政部所管轄移民署相關單位出入境管理局是不是針對新手辦護照第一次要出國的時候就前往不是國人一般常習慣的去日本 |
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韓國等地方而是第一次手辦護照馬上就飛東南亞的一些國家特定的高風險的國家的時候多予給予關心跟警示多詢問一下也許這樣子是可以來防範於未來 |
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部長我們現在已經都有做這樣的跨部會的包括外交部對於辦護照或者是在我們航警局那個地方我們航警局就是在不管是在航空的一個櫃檯要登機的櫃檯或者是要在這個相關的這個移民署的這個通關的地方 |
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我們除了這個宣導之外在那個地方做攔阻到的要到東安利亞可能會遭受詐騙我們這個部分的這個攔阻的這個狀況也非常的好大概一月到晚有攔阻十幾件十幾件的這個情形都是我們主動機攔阻到的那這個除了在我們國內的這些相關宣導之外那國外的部分也都有做這樣的一個尤其是求職的一個情形 |
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好 本席還是再提醒因為最主要是暑期快到了我們不希望說我們的紀念朋友誤信導致於說有任何被炸的狀況 好不好那相關的剛剛講說攔阻的一個計畫成效是不是也給本席辦公室一份書面資料好 沒問題好 謝謝 |