| IVOD_ID |
162853 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162853 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-25T10:35:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-25T10:41:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3c0085a4689617f563094d79f0ad1ec9d00eebfa22cd2c4c7cefc3e4f112f4f0f699acf6b854a81e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:01 - 10:41:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員王定宇等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第五十四條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員廖先翔等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員張宏陸等30人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員王義川等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員陳素月等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。【第六案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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我們請警政署張署長感謝署長委員好謝謝署長我對你剛剛的那個對回應齁其實我有一點意見要給你參考啦剛才 |
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公民黨委員提出來說新型詐騙包含這些模仿包含AI包含這些可能用很多生成方式來做新的詐騙的行為警政署要怎麼處理署長你記得你的回應嗎 |
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加強宣導就是有一些要去做查詢我重播一下你說加強宣導第一個就是說讓民眾知道有這樣的詐騙手法你說加強宣導重點加強宣導然後他要繼續問怎麼加強宣導是不是要透過媒體透過網路的宣傳的投放來加強宣導你也很認同可是你忘記了 |
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內政部編列了這個兩億的媒體宣傳的經費被刪了多少被刪了大概八千萬對啦 超過30%啦這個你沒講啊 |
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你自己講的我們在審查預算的時候署長你自己講的詐騙集團我們查到一個詐騙集團抓到一個詐騙集團他花了兩億九千萬做宣傳費用他投放十五萬則投放廣告啊我們內政部兩億被刪那麼多我們怎麼跟詐騙集團比道高一尺磨高一百丈所以你剛剛沒有講我署長我對你剛剛的回應有意見的部分是你沒有說 |
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張志文委員是你刪了這一筆預算我幫你說謝謝委員的這個指導所以我們今天要來立這個法來 署長謝謝來我請劉部長所以我們今天要來 |
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其實部長上任以來就是針對這個打詐四法包含刑法339之四洗錢防治法第20條組織犯罪防治條例還有詐欺犯罪危害防治條例我們做了很多的努力那我們今天來希望來針對這個詐欺防罪條例裡面有一個和解的部分來做一個修正那我也跟我們剛剛黨團的意見就是一樣對於這個第47條 |
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部長我跟你說明一下被害人啊去到地檢署和解他被騙一百萬然後和解的金額是十萬我認為不合理那為什麼地檢署可以用十萬來和解的原因在於我們的第47條裡面說有和解就得有和解 |
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有和解就應減刑那我們把它改成審酌他有沒有審酌他有沒有 |
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把他被騙的金額全部和解這個對被害人才是有利的那我們其實剛剛我講的這個打仗事法裡面我們整個立法的方向跟目的都是往加重來往加重這個方向希望可以嚇阻詐騙集團也希望可以保護到真正的被害人所以我們是希望可以和解全部金額這個方向來做那部長就剛剛這個 |
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我舉的案例來講,我被騙一百萬那和解的金額十萬我會接受,我現在我會接受啊,不在乎啦,現在的狀況是不在乎啦可以拿回來十萬不在乎,還是被騙九十萬啊所以今天我們提出來的立法,就是修正,是希望 |
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當事被害人如果被騙多少錢那就希望可以用全部的金額來和解才有法律上的德減輕急刑部長 |
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是我希望比較有彈性來處理剛講的部分就是原來我們還沒有修正通過之前的這個47條確實是比較硬那但是我們也必須要考慮到說未來在那個法院他們在執行層面上面有一個條件就是說你必須要在這個 |
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完成他的那個法院判刑之前呢要能夠跟被害人啊達成和解也就是如果被害人覺得不夠譬如說您剛講了我被詐欺一百萬啊只有返還十萬啊但是法院就叫我和解了啊那他不同意那不同意的狀況之下要不要 |
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減免其刑我覺得這樣子應該要尊重我們那個犯罪的被害人他們的一個意見希望不要減免其刑那同時我們也知道現在這是犯罪的這個樣態變成一條龍真的是剛剛所說的分工明確分工細膩道高一尺然後磨高一百丈 |
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而且他們用的這個金額越來越大甚至有請到像有這個法律基礎的律師甚至像我們也在處理像地政事這方面的越來越多所以樣態越來越多的狀況之下我們希望這個能夠抓到原來的犯罪集團之外那他要不要免其刑一定要被害人自己覺得可以免其刑會比較好 |
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而不是說法院就引用說只要你有繳回他自己車手的兩三千塊然後就免期刑那這個樣態已經太多了所以我們覺得說有修法的必要也尊重立法院的修正動議謝謝部長因為根據現行的法令那當然你知道詐團請的律師都比被害人還要厲害那詐團請的律師就會建議他你就認100萬你就認5萬就好了那相對被害人他就是被騙了95萬會 |
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這比例非常的不對稱所以今天的修法就是說被害人你實際上被騙了多少錢那我們就需這個法律裡面就是說和解的要件其實就是這一個所以我們希望等一下的修法的過程那希望大家可以朝這個方向來努力來 謝謝謝謝 |