| IVOD_ID |
162789 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162789 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-23T11:44:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-23T12:07:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:22:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b58c4cf52db2e91aad485c287020919db9483b76f331b600afb45025fabe4623be43c8a959977bea5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:44:24 - 12:07:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查
（一）委員劉建國等17人擬具「老人福利法第四十八條條文修正草案」案。
（二）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「老人福利法第四十八條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
委員許宇甄等18人、委員邱鎮軍等19人、委員林月琴等17人、委員陳菁徽等18人、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員范雲等17人、委員邱若華等17人【提案第11006882號】、委員魯明哲等19人、委員傅崐萁等24人、委員洪孟楷等17人、委員邱若華等17人【提案第11010755號】分別擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」等11案。
三、審查
（一）委員范雲等17人、委員何欣純等17人、委員羅廷瑋等16人、委員廖偉翔等19人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員羅美玲等16人、委員劉建國等17人分別擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」等7案。
（二）委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第二條、第五十三條及第九十九條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員徐富癸等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員黃捷等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案。
（八）委員柯志恩等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案。
（九）委員柯志恩等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第六十條之一條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員馬文君等19人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第三十條之一、第五十條及第五十二條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）委員廖偉翔等21人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第五十條之一條文草案」案。
（十二）委員林楚茵等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十條條文修正草案」案。
（十三）委員洪孟楷等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案。
（十四）委員陳俊宇等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（十五）委員林楚茵等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（十六）委員劉建國等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（十七）委員邱若華等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
【第一案至第三案採綜合詢答；本日僅處理第一案及第二案。】
【6月23日、25日及26日三天一次會】） |
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謝主席,有請部長請邱部長還有交通部公共運輸及監理師的胡副司長請吳副司長部長好 |
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今天主要排審神拳法的這個審查來做詢問啦那我想應該我剛剛看到你的報告裡面其實你有很多部分是已經表達本部競表同意那當然還有其他的條文是希望所屬的機關表示意見是這樣所以我看起來應該是應該是各個委員所提的這個版本基本上貴部同意的 |
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已經佔了快近一半了然後其他是所屬機關要去表達意見嘛這之前你在當立委的時候當召委的時候也都處理過因為深圳有涉及的面向還有這個相關的單位還是蠻多的就像今天交通部的這個副市長也都要到所以我是覺得這個應該是可以再加快啦 |
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好不好這應該可以加快啦因為如果說大致上你們都有溝通過可能會有幾個比較集聚各個這個面向跟執行面可能會有一些自然染型的部分那這個可以限縮這個範圍 |
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也可以找個時間大家先坐下來趕快討論如果我們大家有共識行政院可能他的速度就會再這麼緩慢的可能速度就會更快甚至我們這個會期就可以把他提出來討論經過審查之後讓他通過儘早讓這些 |
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新年招待節的朋友的需求可以透過我們這樣一個修法的制度來予以保障我想這個也是部長一直都在做的事情謝謝所以我還是特別拜託就是說這個會期是不是可以把它盡快的趕快提出來到委員會來做討論這第一點那部長你今天看這53條剛剛黃修安委員提出來的問題是非常具體實際的我們今天要修要修這個博愛座不要讓博愛座變成博鬥座 |
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這個報導你應該都有看過一個國醫生浪出博愛座這個寫浪出是有點奇怪的用詞能被數落到哭那校長說會給他正能量這是一個面向的問題一個角度問題那第二個 |
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我們今天為什麼要討論這個事情你知道剛剛部長有一句話我聽起來蠻感動的這國家政策不管是哪一個單位哪一個面向在執行上在規劃上他就是一定要事權統一他的標準要一致嘛對不對那我跟各位提供一些訊息讓各位看一下我們有太多到現在通通沒有標準一致這一國N字啊高鐵的博愛座是寫這樣 |
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三個圖卡對不對這第一個應該就是老嘛弱嘛然後然後再來公車不愛坐就只有一個一個圖卡然後捷運不愛坐四個來接下來你看台鐵台鐵已經把把這個不愛坐然後又框了更大的一個一個標示叫優先席 |
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他已經走在大家的前面了走在你衛部的前面了然後下面就是五個圖卡我們有五個圖卡我們有四個圖卡我們有三個圖卡我們有兩個圖卡圖標我不曉得這個是這個是副市長你們交通部的節奏你們的規範高鐵你就是這樣做台鐵你就這樣做捷運你就這樣做公車你就這樣做 |
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請說明跟委員報告因為其實過去那個博愛做的一個設置大概就是依照生權法那但是就圖示的部分我們確實是沒有做一個整合那不過為什麼會沒有做一個整合為什麼應該是說這個整合是你交通部想管還是衛護部要管還是你們兩個都不曉得誰要管 |
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先跟委員報告一下我們先把責任確定清楚好不好因為申請法在修的時候你責任部一定是要去列席嘛一定要引業管的範圍要去處理要去面對的嘛對不對那我現在講說這個公共運輸這幾個公共運輸的整個處理不外出的方式包含他的圖卡通通不一致這個到底是誰的責任 |
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跟委員報告一下因為我們其實現在各大眾運輸系統的所有的圖卡包括不外做包括其他的一些圖卡我們部裡面現在都有在委託設計你們到現在才在委託設計應該是說已經 |
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有一段時間啦 那其中因為不愛做的部分我們有配合就是說有考慮到說就是配合那個生權法已經要修正所以不愛做的部分我們已經有內部已經有預先設計了一個圖卡那如果說法規有修正的時候我們大概會你們預先設計了一個圖卡是五個的還是三個的還是兩個的還是四個的 |
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我們是參考國際的啦那我印象中好像是四個還五個的你還四個還五個你到底參考國際的你到底是參考四個還是參考五個的應該是比較像是現在不要叫做比較好像那我是不是在我高鐵會跟你講說比較好像 |
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因為這個部分我是不是在另外提供給委員因為我這個部分我們在委託設計的現在我沒有帶過來那我是不是會後再提供給所以你想要管所有公共運輸基本上當你事權統一之後你把圖卡同步做出來之後大家都要依照你公告的一致性嘛對不對好那萬一你公告是四個圖卡那台鐵是不是抓起來打屁股 |
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那台鐵已經做了 博愛做優先席然後它是五個圖卡 它說全部要更掉那這些錢是交通部要支持還是台鐵要自賄台鐵現在已經民營了台鐵是公司化 但還沒有公司化 已經公司化了嘛 對不對那已經成這個營運方式嘛 對不對它已經做了啊它已經做了啊如果你是四個 它要不要改 錢誰花 |
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我想這個部分我們都會我們我們會來處理我們再來我知道你會處理你一定要處理你務必要處理你這不處理就是這樣一口多字啊五四三二會不會搞到一個一而且一嘛真的有一不會因為我們公車不會做就一跟我有辦法我們會參考國際國際上的一個圖示然後對你的國際圖示是只是要依照來一個國依照日本還是依照英國 |
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因為日本跟英國也不一樣啊應該是我們會這個事情你要進 你要 你要應變速度要非常快嘛今天你來備詢 你應該就知道可能很多人會垂詢到你可能你沒有意識到會垂詢到我這種 我這種會這樣用用這種圖卡的標示這最簡單的 顯得一致的 很清楚的日本就五 對不對 英國就三你要選擇哪一國我們會盡量融入所有有需要的人的一個圖示這樣子 |
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這個齁 這個其實台灣的博愛做文化可以接受到1972年所以我剛剛在主席來說說已經已經將近50年了我們要面對的我們要去做處理我們要去做改善的我們要去規格統一化的標準要一致的 陳鲁剛陳鲁剛所講的嘛對不對那你今天來了你還沒有辦法講一致性的一個回應所有的委員這個還不到剛剛黃修文講的那個層次問題喔 |
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今天不是你一把它規格化的時候就不會發生我們今天之前發生的那些事情喔還是會持續發生喔但是你要成為部長所講的所謂的道德勸說啦所謂的愛心展現啦很多人都是這麼做但是極少數人就不是這麼做所以就是問題層出不窮嘛但是你自己公佈文在管理公務運輸的時候你這些標示圖卡都不一致了你叫人民如何去遵循 |
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你叫列車長怎麼去做有效的執行溝通你叫任何公務運輸的服務人員要依照什麼樣的標準去做規範 去做引導那都是不可能的事情台灣公務運輸怎麼會搞成這個樣子加這個有54321喔 |
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這個問題今天已經排專案了然後等一下要審查了如果你們到現在衛生部跟交通部還沒有辦法有一致的共識難怪生存法這麼多條你要等到什麼時候才有辦法一切都以站在身心障礙者的朋友的角度的需求去做處理很難啦很難啦這是公部門的障礙 |
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我想交通部一定會弄成一致性,如果我們大案審查通過的話,我相信交通部會很快做標準的版本 |
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剛剛講宣傳啦你剛剛講宣傳他意識性標準他可能今天法律通過之後他就必須一個星期內就要把這個標準弄出來了嘛你如果再拖了就不叫公共運輸了就標準化了那高鐵就變成慢鐵了台鐵就變成怪鐵了因為台鐵都已經比你們更優先了你現在還要叫台鐵我們之前通過議員我們最後結論是怎樣你要叫台鐵已經做這個行為你要叫整條還回來 |
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你對台鐵是否高台的地位?是否好公衛?是否好藝術?我再講講宣傳宣傳裡面衛福部你們也沒什麼錢你們一百四十年都沒宣揮放在台北半日六十年你們剩一千七百五十年他們搞得不太可能一百五十年放在台北兩千兩百幾萬 |
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你一定要宣傳你不宣傳一定會出一定會再出問題你看這個下一頁台北捷運這個一直在宣傳電弧梯兩側站立城下不張兩派旅客先戰火那藝人發聲不要指著沒有錯的人這個部長知道這個新聞報導吧副市長應該也知道嘛副市長這個事情你們都知道嘛 |
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我們現在的習慣就是都走,都騎車去旁邊嘛,就用樓梯去走嘛對不對?是是你如果沒有去公共公安,兩側都可以站立你知道習慣靠右的人,習慣看到有通道在左左邊的人然後被兩個站在那個地方的人阻礙到,然後造成完結路階 |
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你沒有法律的任何一個規範你只是做一個宣導而已喔你只是做一個宣導而已喔到現在還爭論不休這事情解決了嗎 |
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這個主要是台北捷運啦那當初他們是為了一個效率的部分然後是希望大家站在右邊那可是後來發現其實這個對那個應該是說一邊在行走的時候也會造成旅客的一個不安全所以他們現在已經在做宣導就是說盡量就是 |
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不用特別站在右邊是兩邊都可以站那這個觀念據我了解台北捷運公司有持續一直在做一個宣導那當然這個過程可能要因為大家習慣已久所以要一段時間的一個改變不過慢慢已經有開始有在做一些改變慢慢改變嘛要宣導嘛對不對差不多要多久的時間 |
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因為這個主要是台北市的部分啦,那我們會...台北市有很多山鐵公共的站體嘛,對不對我來捷運是這個樣子,我到高鐵的時候又另外一個樣子我到台鐵又另外一個樣子,我是台灣人我怎麼會遇到三個公共運輸的這樣的一個電扶梯的狀況都不一樣我來捷運的時候,沒有你就要這樣我來高鐵的電扶梯的時候,你也不用這樣我去台鐵的電扶梯的時候,你也不用這樣 |
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把電爐鐵的事就不跟這種程度,你這要怎麼處理所以我一直講,黃委員剛剛提到的就是重中之重啊你們今天來應該是準備好了啊你們這樣打呼我們,我們今天秀這個華好像對你們的幫助也不是很大餒次長你要再來齁,注意,來 |
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你一直叫我注意,你就注意這個事情,看你怎麼打我我簡單講,有關於土石的保温其實各國規定不一樣,我想說法國法國他們還有一個就是傷兵他們非常注重的就是說,你如果說受傷的那個基床你看那個狗的裡面,有一個就是傷兵 |
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我們會來趕快 當然這個是主要是交通部一邊但是我們是 生權法這是我們管的嘛我們會趕快來協調交通部 比較快來做一個相關的LOGO 比較快把它確定這第一點第二點就是說 那個選團的部分 就像消防委員剛才所說不是只有改名而已 我們也是要比較快來做選團嘛這個部分雖然 全部都卡在這裡你全部卡在這裡也不一定看得到後果 你要全部卡在這裡我全力支持 |
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還是要處理啦還是要處理1750你還是要全部放在這個地方不過還是江東部一起來嘛對不對當然是這樣嘛 |
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一個星期內啦好不好具體的你們宣傳的這樣的一個方式啦還有統一的這樣的一個圖卡的標示然後甚至於每一個車廂都有一定程度的定時去廣播等等等諸如此類相關的詳細計畫提供給委會做參考好不好拜託盡速盡速盡速一致性啦那第二個問題抱歉一樣還是要給部長看一下這個齁 |
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剛剛次長講得很好就是服務的項目這個應該是月請人提供的要一致性次長特別提到個人助理是屬於 |
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兩個層次嘛一個是生活照顧嘛對不對就屬於長照這一塊來處理嘛另外一個是屬於社會的參與面向嘛好你看這個各住的服務不提供之協助各縣市均不一那我們簡單講這七個項目呢社會參與你看是哪幾項你看是哪幾項陪伴跟外出陪伴跟外出嘛新北市不提供 |
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他怎麼社會參與你們剛剛為什麼沒有針對這個表去做答覆部長想說要一致啊好 那你說生活照顧應該一二三四都可以算是嘛 生活照顧你看這麼多縣市都不提供啊你們怎麼 怎麼剛剛針對這一塊都沒有做任何的一個答覆我一連線幾乎全部都攔掛了 |
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報告委員,現在就是說我們這個部分主要是會有一個自立生活計畫,這個計畫主要是社工、男性身障礙者來共同討論,你要先去做一個需求評估嘛,還要了解他的總統,之後訂出一個照顧計畫。我知道。但是委員你剛才說到文明,你如果先放棄陪伴跟外出,這是社會參與最重要的。文明怎麼可能跟他說,我跟他說的是文明的啊。 |
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但是你要回覆啊 你要看要不要處理啊 要不要去應變啊我比較緊張 結束以後 我要趕快來跟市長是要全國加起來 先把市對社會常務 要給這身障者朋友他把它限制住了 不行我會後 我趕快跟新北市政府那邊 趕快來了解一下 好不好然後也回覆給委員我時間有關係啦 我最後再請教部長跟次長啦你們要答覆我啦 如果說我們一個政策行程 |
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規劃都已經完整然後執行也差不多我們就講五年就好了啦 講五年然後在整個執行過程裡面這個預算的執行數基本上都不到六成啦不到六成 我要請教部長業管的單位 業管的主管 業管的承辦你們要怎麼處理你們的處置方式怎樣 |
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執行率低了,一定要去檢討到底是什麼原因嗎?不是啊,原因一定會很多啦,到底是自然燃刑的原因是大家可以理解的但是連續五年的情況之下,就像現在這個啦我的助理馬上就給你獻底牌了這個是剛來的 |
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對 這個當然就是要去看各種原因 如果是可以可那你就回答我什麼原因了啊 次長你注意 你馬上回答我什麼原因二位委員 我們這個其實我們都有跟地方政府講就是說在沽的時候我們希望能夠給這一個我們聲音障礙者用寬沽的方式就是我們核定的時數 讓人比較適合的讓人比較適合 所以地書公可能他在水泳方面沒那麼多啦 |
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因為你輸了,所以你把錢給他,但是他輸了就沒這麼多啦所以你每一天都是這樣就對了啦所以我們才有愛心,我們心臟也放得很寬但是其實你會提出的訴求就沒這麼多所以今天也這樣,明天也這樣,明天也這樣,明天那天也這樣不用檢討,萬一就是這樣沒有啦,你要回答原因就是這樣,你如果要很肯定的答問我 |
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我覺得有另外一個問題要請教你的是這樣嗎?我相信當然啦我們來檢討一下看是不是說有可能沒有好用的地方像剛才你說新北市那邊他們告訴說社會產物沒有人能夠陪伴我們自己來檢討我這個部分 |
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新北市的各處的服務項目不同意外出這個部分這個裡面找新北市去看如何去討論然後去對新北市需要各處不能外出的情況要對這些深圳市的朋友如何坦白講在陸北叫謝罪 |
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那我現在就請教你嘛,你的核定總數110年是309,111年是341,113年415,113年486,今年多少?你節節上升喔,如果到113對照12,你是上升到將近50%的成長喔,對不對? |
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更寬的一個核定嘛對啊但是相對的你的實際使用數啦齁你使用時數這邊表格都很清楚嘛還是在你的這個核定的總數都超五成多而已嘛一直都沒有超過嘛所以大概也說一句話說不合用啦不合情啦 |
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應該是這樣嘛,剛才廖委員講的那個八點鐘,我覺得其實有辦法去凸顯每一個新政府的朋友在提出各處的過程裡面真實的狀況嗎?那倒未必 |
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那你知道嗎我們這個還要對照這個表格還不是很精細前面應該叫預算嘛對不對我們的預算就是在這個自力資源的大象裡面嘛3億嘛但是你知道你一百十不是多少嗎一百十四你3億嘛對不對一百十三多少 |
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超過兩億多少?對阿,那一百十人是不是比較少?要簡單說的話,就是種植一直在增加,一直在增加,一直在增加嘛,你如果要說是一個輸農的市場,也有在增加,但是對這個增加,對你原本的匡列多層價預算,那個合乎比例嗎?好像沒有喔?柯國瑜,我是不是,我知道那個 |
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如果這樣說起來,可能我們在這部分有一些可能雖然合併,但是可能不合應,等等這個部分我們回來檢討我拜託一下,不要到這裡很需要各自的身心在者的朋友,跟他們在做幾個小時的斤斤計較 |
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真的真的真的不需要這樣啦齁那整個我們有這個制度我們有這個預算我們有這個計畫但是執行起來當然你可以用另外一個角度來再做另外一個討論啦齁那我還是覺得當有這些預算的時候在整個執行上一直出的問題有明顯的這樣的落差而且我們是年年年節節的上升的這個面向的預算喔但是我們看不到實際上的今天 |
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所有的身上的朋友覺得這樣的需求他們可以應付到他們的真正的需要不然今天不會有這個記者會嘛所以我剛才提這個嘛 這個是有問題嘛所以這段是不是可以因為這部會議這部會議要等到修緩嘛 對不對是不是一天白天有什麼樣的應變的促使相關的一些調整的一個方向 方案可以提供給委員會做參考 可以嗎好 謝謝部長 謝謝次長 |