| IVOD_ID |
162770 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162770 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-23T10:23:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-23T10:35:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b58c4cf52db2e91a2b98a471961f97eab85017248ed72d8db1c1f5e093a47950b01f5819580778665ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:03 - 10:35:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、交通部首長及國家科學及技術委員會首長就「因應高齡化社會，我國智慧公共運具發展及目標」進行報告，並備質詢。【6月23日及6月25日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我想要先請交通部林市長請交通部林市長市長 |
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早我想要知道目前交通部你演繹限制高齡長者上路但是然後希望他們可以轉成大眾運輸系統我也看到今天也看到交通部對於大眾運輸系統達成的補貼那但是我想要了解的是這對於雙北六都 |
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公共運輸系統非常便捷的地方我們有可能藉由交通搭乘交通運輸系統的補貼來轉移他們駕駛的需求但是六都以外呢像我們中南部我們對我們的公共運輸不發達的情況下你即便有大眾運輸系統的補貼也沒有辦法移轉啊 |
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你提到了我看到你相關的規劃你有幸福巴士幸福小黃等等但是有沒有辦法整個轉移他們的這樣子大眾運輸的需求有沒有辦法報告委員我先跟您報告交通部推動的高齡駕照的管理並不是要限制高齡者的使用 |
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那目前的作法當然是75歲以上他要再做認知跟體格的檢查確認他安全有認知能力沒有其他的問題避免造成他自己跟周邊行人的危害所以這一塊是要確認而已並不是要限制他行動我知道我們沒有歧視的問題因為 |
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我們每一個人都會變老 在座的每一位都有這個問題啊 早晚而已嘛我們也是在解決我們本身的問題耶沒有錯 而且每個人狀況不一樣對 所以我是要了解的是當我們在解決這個問題的時候你們目前提出的方法有沒有辦法確實的解決我們這樣問題嘛 |
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我看到了你們所謂的你們現在著重的就是補助大眾運輸的補貼但是你真正的政府要怎麼樣解決這個政策其實我們我其實為什麼會在經濟委員會召開這個問題 |
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就是你們現在政府要發展AI嘛你的AI要整體發展你一定要有辦法應用嘛是不是你能夠應用到智慧交通我那天問國發會主委啊我說智慧交通是不是你負責他說不是啊是那個國科會所以我今天才請國科會來啊國科會的書副主委你要不要來說明一下請國科會的書副主委 |
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是 跟趙偉還有主席報告一下相關新AI十大建設的部分有關智慧生活圈裡面是有這一項但是我們現在在相關計畫裡面以大南方新矽谷為例主要是希望推動把建立建起來把相關的應用帶進來所以不管是在智慧交通 智慧餐飲甚至是智慧運輸以及整個的智慧照護的部分都可以來發展這個部分 |
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所以還是在試辦計畫嘛 是不是 還是在試辦計畫嘛那怎麼樣子可以大規模的推廣還有未來我們國家要推廣的方向是怎麼樣子的其實我剛才在聽所有委員的詢答的時候我就想到了啊 政府的政策有沒有定啊 |
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我們在解決我們長者用車需求的時候第一個我們有公共運輸系統 |
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我們有什麼未來現在在很多國家大家在推動的是不是要用自駕車的方式或者我們現在目前的交通部的法規有沒有辦法來讓我們的自駕車能夠馬上上路以及 |
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我那天去了找我們的車車中心我們看到了車車中心目前在發展的半自駕的公共運輸系統他就是讓 |
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運具上面有駕駛但是我們未來交通部有沒有辦法延長像這樣子智慧運具半自動駕駛的公共運輸系統我們駕駛的駕駛年限因為在配合智慧的這樣的輔助系統之後他們可不可以延長 |
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我們公共運輸系統駕駛的駕駛年限因為其實我們看到在駕駛的這個什麼在一些歐美國家的相關的就是自動駕駛的脫離率來講其實都已經達到了就是很高啊我看到是好像是多少公里我們那個我們次長你有沒有研究 |
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市長你有沒有研究?我有研究,你有沒有研究?報告委員不好意思,這一塊我沒有了解 |
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我看到了vamo vamo就是googlegoogle的那個他發展的那個那個計程車他的脫離率是兩萬七千八百七十公里代表了你駕駛了兩萬七千八百七十公里以後你才需要人的輔助那當你這樣的時候我們政府單位你有沒有去研究 |
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當我們導入相關的這樣子的一個半自動的駕駛的時候能不能夠延長公共運輸系統駕駛的年限包委員您提的其實是重點提供智慧運輸或自駕車本身好幾個面向可以第一個就是剛剛我們其他委員有提到這個人力不足 |
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然後它的操作過老甚至有很多問題它沒有辦法依照它的駕駛過程譬如說PR駕駛這一類都可以透過自駕車透過智慧運輸的協助讓駕駛用更低的精力更少的注意力去完成它的任務所以它就可以撐更久的時間所以目前像很多國家有的駕駛已經延長到68我們計程車也可以延長所以這一類的議題 |
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都是可以降低驾驶者的需求跟他的劳动力的压力那第二个呢也可以提高他的政治能力降低对路面行人的危害以及对危险驾驶的避让所以这一块我们认为一定ADAS或者是自驾车的导入能够更快导入公共运输一定可以提供更好的这个服务能量 |
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所以你也認為說那你們到底政府的政策有沒有我們現在的任務就是全力用計畫來協助這個沙盒實驗沙盒實驗裡面讓這些業者在裡面排除既有法規的限制把他的能力發揮出來然後我們根據沙盒實驗的結果回饋到我們的修法過程所以現在我們已經委託車安中心BSCC就沙盒實驗的過程有哪些議題 |
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納入我們法規的調和跟修正所以這是同步在作業所以一旦車子能夠做得越快越好我們就可以馬上修正法規來調整好那其實上次我們在淘機已經試過讓公園園的9人8完全用50公里的時速自動駕駛然後自動做merging就是匯流跟分流 |
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所以目前九人巴士已经有这样的能力已经实验完成那只是说它要落地的过程它的车子要能够量产商业化符合既有的法规所以这些过程我们还要再处理那这个部分你们进行了如何我刚跟你报告大概两年多前已经有工业院的这个自驾九人巴已经上路了那目前大客车的部分还在研发试验中尤其是我们有个计划在淡水淡海新市镇 |
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那這一類的成熟度越高我們就能夠導入那如果像我們我們彰化呢我們彰化市呢我們彰化市也是一個就是小型的一個繁華的一個城市嘛那對於公共運輸的這個那能不能做因為你們都是在空曠的地區嘛我們一定要考驗其實我那天去車車中心郭部長是不是請你 |
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也順便說一下你們到底目前國家發展的方向是什麼嗎你們一定要給業者給民眾有一個確切的發展方向嗎到底是不是是公共運輸系統還是無人就是自駕車的系統這要給所有的業者以及民眾有一個遵循的方向也可以解決我們所有人的需求問題啊 |
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所以因为这样子所以才会利用这个沙盒的这个计划来推动我想这个是牵扯到很多的一个部门那我想基于安全基于整个社会的安全我想我们是这个第一个考虑所以需要一点时间请委员能够了解 |
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法規法令啊是不是交通部的法規法令要怎麼共同的合作啊對這個就是需要去等到這個計畫實驗成功以後啊那麼再來這個討論這個法規法令 |
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我們現在是要解決這整體的需要這是不管是我們現在或者是未來這是非常重要的需求因為畢竟我們社會就是邁向這樣子的一個社會的趨勢那因為這個整個計畫還沒有完成之前就修法可能會比較危險一點那什麼時候計畫可以完成什麼時候計畫可以完成 |
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什麼時候可以計劃完成?董委員我說明一下齁那目前我們有大概有18個自駕案在沙盒試驗那目前比較成功最成功的就是在台積電廠區他在14廠跟18廠之間去做這個人員的運輸啦齁他累計的大概5萬多公里啦齁那所以這個是一個所以 |
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那我們跟交通部配合是在這樣的數據的收集過程中那交通部也應用在這個時間內也在法規上也訂定了這個指引那所以因為這個是針對安全的部分那我們會慢慢的推進郭部長你回答交通部是不是太落後 |
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也沒有啦 交通部是不是太落後我們這個交通部長坐我旁邊的啦會不會太落後 有沒有跟上科技的腳步我們說要發展AI 你如果AI的應用都沒有發展的情況下怎麼樣提高AI的需求 |
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我想我們還是基於安全安全第一啦我當然就要安全第一然後這個成功以後才可以來修法在沒有成功之前我想我們還是要盡量把這個這個安全的這個因素考慮進來以後然後快速的讓它能夠成功這樣 |
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757.668 |
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對我當然認為安全一定是唯一的就是最重要的事情因為我們現在可以用AI以後就會速度比較快一點對但是我們要提高AI的需求的時候我們就要相對的要發展AI的應用那我們在發展AI的應用的時候是不是應該對於我們現在目前切身需要解決的問題你們加速進行是不是我們會加速進行好謝謝謝謝 |
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761.358 |
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761.378 |
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謝謝鳳委員 |