| IVOD_ID |
162734 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162734 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-36,15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第3次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第3次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T11:47:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T11:57:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a73e3dd8ec6fd06f175c914d80f272b5bb41d1dd57576f62286004998842fe26b305ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:47:10 - 11:57:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第3次聯席會議（事由：一、併案審查（一）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人、（二）台灣民眾黨黨團、（三）委員張智倫等17人、（四）委員葉元之等21人及（五）委員羅美玲等18人分別擬具「內政部組織法第五條條文修正草案」案。
二、併案審查（一）台灣民眾黨黨團、（二）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人、（三）國民黨黨團、（四）委員張智倫等17人、（五）委員葉元之等21人及（六）委員羅美玲等18人分別擬具「內政部新住民發展署組織法草案」案。） |
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所有登記發言委員詢答完畢後再散會討論事項法案另定其處理我們請莊惠雄委員 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們內政部 我們吳次長還有移民署林署長 陸委會大陸委員會我們的法政處周處長市長我來請教啦 我今天早上聽了以後大家講那個整個新住民人數你們的統計現在是多少人 |
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新住民人數目前如果是適用照新住民基本法第120條婚姻移民新住民子女跟專業及技術移民大概加起來大概130萬 |
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那我想行政院這一次沒有院版那可能就是你們有所疑慮本席的看法是認為說這個整個新住民發展署的一個成立是代表我們台灣多元 |
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共榮的一個里程碑啦那也就代表說你剛提到的這樣130萬這個新竹民莊嚴的一個承諾的說你們沒煩惱政府只有你們的課稅是在講這個但是業務的部分啦我就有一點點意見啦你像譬如說在整個基本法裡面你的陸配那也算啦 |
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也算啦那可是我今天看你們陸委會你們提出來的講法你們又是講說這個新住民事務主管機關成立以後不涉及陸委會業務的調整也沒有業務需要移撥到新住民事務主管機關你們是這樣講的 |
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那這個我又有點疑慮啦你現在涉及到陸配如果說這個兩岸之間的一個往返當然大家現在講到的是說陸委會委託海基會行使公權力嘛 委託他們行使公權力那好啦 那新的機關成立以後那這一塊你們新的樹敢有辦法去處理到時還是跟海基會在處理那怎麼會你們今天陸委會的報告講說跟我們無色真的無色嗎 請說明 |
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委員好 首先兩點 第一點陸委會的組織設立一直他是做政策協調政策擬定那我現在講的是你們當然是政策的協調跟規劃那我現在講的實際上涉及到兩岸人民之間的往返裡面它裡面有很多的有涉及到新住民嘛那涉及到新住民的話你說這一些以目前來講的話就是我們陸委會委託海基位來行使這個公權力來幫忙嘛 |
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那新的署成立以後我說這一個業務你怎麼辦報告委員我們今天委託海基會處理的很多是屬於一些公權力以外的服務事項我是針對陸配的部分是嘛 就服務嘛 |
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是服務事項那針對陸配本身在法律上應有的權益還是會回歸到原來移民署或將來成立的新住民發展署他們來處理譬如說身份的取得入出境的許可這都是跟公權力有關的事項不會由海基會來發啦那當然啦那我說服務的呢你本來一個機關成立以後啊你說很多涉及到人民的福利啊保障啊那這些原來就是新設立的機關屬於他的執掌啦可是陸委會這塊你也是一樣在做啊 |
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新的署成立以後 涉及到兩岸的新的署還是沒辦法去做嘛我們對於陸配的關懷跟服務 |
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一樣還是會持續在做我知道啦 但是你會重疊啦到最後就不是新設立的新移民發展署不管名字叫做什麼新住民的發展署如果成立以後到最後不是新住民發展署委託海基會來行使公權力嗎還是陸委會在行使公權力啊委託海基會行使公權力啊 |
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這部分有沒有這樣的問題基本上現在啊現在如果是以移民署在做的話現在當然還好啦新的機關成立以後啦 |
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對於這一塊我們是認為說不會有太大的問題就因為不涉及到公權力的問題的話我們還是可以請海紀委繼續來做都是服務啦都是服務如果沒有涉及到行使公權力的話對 不會有問題那機關就不是義務就不是責任的問題照顧常常都後面因為你叫做公權力他才會說都沒有還沒講清楚啦 |
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這個就是沒有院版裡面還沒有提出來的地方之一這個再好好想一想啦好不好謝謝委員再好好想一想啦那另外喔就是我其實我以台東為例啦那個處長你請回啦新住民人口現在超過2%啦 |
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其實對他們來看我們每天碰到的 笑容啦 汗水啦其實這早就已經深深的融入這一塊土地啦他們其實已經都不是過客了啦他們都算我們要動作家人來看待嘛但是社會上擔心啦 尤其我們今天在委員會裡面我相信這一題啊 |
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這個草案 它倒不是政黨之間大家攻防的問題 倒不是本期倒認為是說 你如果說多一個署那你對我新住民來講的話 我要多一大堆表格或者說 給一個機關 變成一個衙門而已會不會多一份的一個折騰啊就是說機關的設立以後 我期待啊 要有溫度啦 |
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這真的就是要有溫度啦 阿沒有喔 因為冷冰冰喔 只是流程的一個堆疊而已啊所以我來請教就是說 跨部會的分工喔 到最後 你這不能稍怕乾 你知不知道 很怕到要 |
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讓人覺得在那裡踢皮球啦所以你如何去精準的界定誰該負責些什麼如何去讓它變成有效率跟有效能的一個協調平台我認為這個就很重要了這個面對這樣的一個廣泛的跨部會的性質大家都非常清楚啊你怎麼去劃分啊避免讓新住民在那裡 |
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繞圈圈 我覺得這個就 我先講在前頭啦就是我們這整個草案裡面 就是這幾個問題啦另外你說說新的署跟移民署 這個林署長你就必須要去看待這個問題啦你也不能分別先做 |
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你也不能說這樣不明不白你像譬如說以目前你移民署你負責路徑 拘留 規劃這現在你移民署的嘛可是呢你新署以後又著引於權益的保障跟社會的一個融入要怎麼簽 |
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你說業務沒有移波 你不可能啊那所以說呢 你在現實中新住民來台初期他最需要的其實是什麼 語言嘛 語言的訓練嘛那你說生活適應啊 或者說要找工作 就業的一個媒合那請問啊 這一些業務到最後 |
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你是你移民署 你現在你扶著板 正經就好那個證照就好了然後新的 新的成立了一個署那你來從那裡輔導 都從那裡包開還是你們兩邊再這樣去重疊請教社長 |
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那這個朋友是不是請署長因為我之前在開會的時候也是針對哪一些是要業務移撥哪一些是留在移民署的就是像剛剛委員談的除了靜之外因為他可能身份是新住民那新住民之後他進來的時候哪一些業務從既有的移民署業務我就把它移撥到 |
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那個新住民發展署大概是這樣那如果細節我再請署長說一下所以就是涉及到你漁民署你本來是側重權益的保障跟融入的輔導你新住民發展署你接下來掌管的是從那個入境 拘留 規劃取得甚至國局法律身份這些事情你們就要明確去做一個劃分了啦那另外啊 |
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我相信移民署現在是被大家口碑最好的就是你們那個一站式的服務啦新住民我看他們是最熟悉的那我要問的就是說那你新的署成立以後民眾是不是還在原服務站一站就可以搞定所有的諮詢跟申辦 |
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因為如果新住民發展署成立之後他各縣市的手腳會回歸到所謂的新住民家庭服務中心那新住民家庭服務中心透過我們所謂的新住民發展基金裡面去做對各縣市做補助目前有41個處所包括有公辦公營跟公辦民營委託代辦這個部分 |
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所以耳後的話當然我們服務站我們在這個過渡階段裡面我們也會對於新住民他相關的權益保障有需要就諮詢的部分我們會協助做一個轉介但是發展署成立之後他耳後的手腳會歸到所謂的這個新住民家庭服務中心以上 |
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好 新署的成立的誕生我跟你講我們樂觀其成但是我們很怕一個機關的誕生你到最後讓老百姓多走了一些遠廣路你多設一個署其實沒有困難 很容易但是你怎麼樣少讓這些新住民多跑一趟路啊這個才是我們設立這個的真本事啦所以這個涉及到整個新機關的一個成立我們立場其實就很簡單啦新住民他不是一個族群啦 |
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他其實就是用家人的概念這樣去看待那我們期待這一些我們今天新竹的一個成立業務權責分清楚讓他變成新住民的一個靠山你共足一個不只是共榮還是要共榮的一個台灣這個業務的部分我相信在主條的時候你們也要跟各個機關你們要把這個事權去弄清楚好不好好 謝謝 |