| IVOD_ID |
162733 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162733 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T11:42:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T11:55:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a73e0e469438aa5b074eab13042bab466e31d1dd57576f62286488b4bbe387a048b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:42:42 - 11:55:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、衛生福利部邱部長泰源、法務部、海洋委員會海巡署就「近三年菸酒管理法對於私菸（含電子菸 加熱菸）查緝成效與菸品健康捐經費分配及運作使用情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【6月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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兩位部長 衛福部跟財政部九部長 中部長請是 兩位部長早我想今天大家所有委員都很關心西天有害健康 但是在國內它的確是一個產業它也是一個消費品 |
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加熱鹽的問題,今天大家都提了很多我想問兩位部長,其實我們都知道很多的國人都在使用加熱鹽,對吧?那,國內是沒有合法的加熱鹽那現在,國人在使用的都是什麼鹽?都是走私來的,對吧? |
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是不是基本上是吧現在只要你看到在用加熱煉的人他就是走私來的現在走私依照財政部委託曾居樂教授的研究報告他裡面是說如果按照他的實際推估的話走私的煙品大概是從100萬到400萬用其他推估方式甚至高達1500萬 |
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有沒有這麼多的走私的驗品啊財政不知道嗎我們跟委員報告當然這個部分我們在報告裡面寫到你們光抓到113年就抓到230萬包了嗎加熱菸對是加熱菸那當然電子驗更不要講電子驗在煙海防止法完全是禁止的所以加熱菸它不禁止但是要審查所以現在問題是雖然 |
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目前還沒有合法但是隨處可見走私猖獗查緝有但查緝的結果是讓很多人還是人手一樣人手一包啊所以兩位部長我們的問題在哪裡你們認為在哪裡認為我們的問題是出在衛福部的審查從一年到兩年到今天沒有進度對吧 |
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邱部長,我覺得你已經回答很多了,很多委員都說了,到底問題出在哪裡?依據兩年前的審查的辦法,當時就設立審查的委員跟相關的辦法,那就請業者送上來。行政程序法有規定,我送給你,兩個月之內你要做處分嘛。 |
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那我們不處分一直擺著一年兩年這跟行政程序法也不合嘛第三個就是我們到底要管還是不要管啊我們知道他在他存在每個人都在用但是我們不管而且走私一堆抓到很多然後審查很久這就是一個該管不管所以又坐視他這樣然後又去抓他違法這個國家太矛盾了 |
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報告委員這個我早上已經講過幾次這些問題我們政府會來解決它政府會來解決已經兩年了不是現在才解決我希望在你的任內今年要有個解決啦這個聽起來很可笑我們要管但是我們管不了但是大家都在用那我也抓不完 |
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我們政府應該來解決這些問題它存在 不關我的事我只要求一個沒有人要因為要求你開放就讓你放水我覺得不能放水但是你的速度也太慢了第三最重要的是嚴審之後就是納管 |
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真的所謂的違法不合法的沒有經過相關審查通過的加強查緝該抓就抓重罰才有辦法讓合法的業者可以正常的生存不要都是靠走私然後每個人都知道那是走私的每個人都知道是從機場偷偷帶回來的機場也在抓但是 |
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又很普遍的生活在我們的旁邊這很奇怪啦這太奇怪了所以我覺得這個問題是衛福部的問題還是財政部的問題衛福部你趕快合法他就趕快收錢啦不然我告訴你光現在走私的數量我們一年稅損達到13億啊 |
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一塊錢也收不到啊好嗎 該怎麼做就要怎麼做吧不管你的時間怎麼樣 不能放水不能放水 但是不要再拖了合法就合法 不合法就不合法弄得現在大家卻聲不明沒有人知道發生什麼事然後每個人都在使用這實在太奇怪了好 第二個問題是在我們去年七月的時候說賴總統的政見是百億癌症新藥基金 |
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我們今年編了50億的公務預算進入健保基金接下去還要再補50億到100億然後去年的這個時候健保署的石崇良署長說要科冤 |
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9捐來挹注相關的所謂的百億基金有沒有這回事沒有這回事那都是演繹而已啦演繹所以到今天為止我想建保署很用心在想各種方式來增加財源所以9捐不是衛福部的立場沒有我們沒有這種立場好那財政部我們有菸捐我們有沒有打算剋剋9捐呢 |
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目前并没有这样的规划所以这个真的是不要乱说话啦如果没有就说没有不要变成另外我要问的是卫福部还有一个比较更奇怪的事情就是110年监察院对行政院纠正要求处理所谓的槟榔危害防治槟榔危害防治在卫福部12月已经完成预告草案 |
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限制檳榔的銷售管道不可以賣給兒童跟青少年然後限制場域還有建立原料的檢驗機制這個法案草案過來以後目前的進度是怎麼樣部長你們暫緩了是嗎 |
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沒有戰法 我們因為這牽涉到因為有人抗議了嘛所以必須要做好妥善的溝通社會溝通是一個我們政府必須要做的事情但是推動這樣的法案也是一個要做的事檳榔文化防治是不是衛福部的重要政策 |
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當然是重要政策是 會繼續推嗎一定會繼續推一定會繼續推因為監察院監察委員趙詠卿說如果你們不處理他不排除彈劾所以這件事情我覺得很重要啦如果我們對於煙要管對於酒要管 |
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對於檳榔的危害 國人因為檳榔的危害口腔癌還是居高不下我們清洗再進行好不好 部長 這個是你的政策如果是你的政策 我覺得就要勇敢的推下去是的當然要解決業者 他們碰到的困難但是不等於你要把他停下來 否則我是認為監察院已經說明了啊他不談合理就是他不對啊 |
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好最後一個小問題就是這也不是小問題很大的問題我在這邊已經問了部長兩位部長多次了房地合一稅我們當時是要做居住正義用的但是97%都拿來做了長照這很奇怪啊 |
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莊部長依規定 沒有規定啦後來你是被逼著要求說至少要給居住正義百分之十但是到現在也只撥了八點九啊很少啊所以我要問的是邱部長你的長照現在是依靠所謂的移政稅 延捐延稅 |
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還有剛剛講的房地合一稅長照的金額一年已經高達900多億了房地合一稅是機會稅如果現在房地交易不多的話它可能會有來源的問題第二個 菸捐菸稅我們不希望它太多啊一正稅也是靠運氣靠機會所以台灣民眾黨已經提出了長照保險法 |
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長照保險法就類似健保我們希望每個人現在出一點照顧未來的自己長照保險對於行政院來說對於衛福部來說你們完全靠這些不確定的稅額其實長照 |
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的資金其實長期來說我們擔心它的不穩定性邱部長你對長照保險有沒有想法我問過你你去過日本考察也在議事公會這邊舉辦過相關的座談會所以部長我想問問你對長照保險接下來這個財源不是那麼穩定的情況下衛福部打算怎麼在長照以後3.0以後要不要退長照保險法 |
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報告委員我分兩點報告第一個就是說113年底長照基金還有2039億元現在還夠以後可能就不一定夠我們今年的1月到5月收入就341億元所以現在目前來講還是可以支應 |
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那至於說任何一個財務的規劃我覺得我們是必須要去考慮到利弊得失現在有荷蘭有德國有日本可以讓你抄啊我覺得這些政策至少部長要有態度啦方向我想財務的規劃政府應該負責任的讓它穩定 |
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所以要人民自己出一點大家一起出一點政府出一點才有辦法真正做到長治久安因為現在每年靠這些稅900多億 900多億是砸在水裡面 |
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就不見了就不見了而且長照3.0對於中重症要加強照顧現在的長照2.0對於中重症沒有辦法做好完整的照護待會3.0這個部分都會加強是所以我要說的是部長應該對於長照是不是將來要推長照保險要有一些想法 |
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日本、荷蘭跟德國其實都有很完善的長照保險長照保險在國民黨的智庫做的民調77.3%的民眾也都支持我相信這個是在野黨大力推展的你將來也會面對這個政策要不要來處理我們推了主權基金現在行政院也願意推我們現在推長照保險我相信將來 |
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不管是行政院或者是衛福部也會面對在野黨提出來行政院必須要的態度跟目標跟方向我希望部長你至少給我一個你們可以去研議你們對於這個的態度你不一定要有具體的內容但是你要告訴我說接下來去長照三點你的內容跟將來長照保險長期的規劃是一個長治九萬一二十年的計畫 |
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長照3.0的不管是它的內容跟財務我們都有做妥善的評估那至於說長照到底是稅收或者是由社會保險其實國際間大部分的國家還是稅收少部分採社會保險那日本開辦長照保險其實還是公務預算要撥半數以上 |
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所以政府要出啊就跟健保一樣當學者在談論一個事情的時候好像很簡單說這樣看起來比較好可是當我們在想的時候就要看到人民的反應譬如說你們要年輕人所以要討論我也沒有意見 我只是說部長我們要不要有態度這個態度可能是希望你能給我一個書面的回答我們會書面回答 |
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對高人化的社會 我們的照顧絕對是更多我們一起來努力好 那我等你的出面回覆好 下一位請 王思堅委員資訊 |