| IVOD_ID |
162728 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162728 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T11:29:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T11:39:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a73f1b09887cf3d2b0889c8da44615ed5db1d1dd57576f6228609f5c66c4053d3005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:00 - 11:39:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：處理院會交付114年度中央政府總預算決議，外交部主管預算凍結案等3案。） |
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我看你今天早上特別說為了以色列跟伊朗親自衝突要開國安會議 |
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你說針對那個石油跟天然氣的這個價格行政院長應該今天,因為我雖然在這裡沒有開院會,我都有掌握啊他已經有所裁示市長,這次這個衝突啊,彰顯了我們要好好去重視我們的錯誤的能源政策博帝知道嗎,我們現在天然氣佔我們所有發電的佔比多少知道嗎 |
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這個朝五成邁進不錯 蠻精準的 古尼47嘛那現在核冷廢掉之後已經將近五成了那這次這個金色衝突就看到啦 |
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第一個石油跟天然氣在飆漲嘛所以你們要開國安會議嘛這是第一次嘛第二次也是很重要的啊你有沒有發現烏俄戰爭的時候就炸那個天然氣的儲存槽啊對不對是那這是一樣啊你看這個以色列馬上就打的也是對對不對能源跟通訊啊大概是戰爭發生的時候就是第一集啊大概關鍵基礎設施所以你要開火兩個重點第一這個能源政策要好好去想一下你高度依賴天然氣這本身是個問題 |
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那第二個,上次我肯定你就是,高關稅這個談判裡面,我們要找到美國願意賣給我們,而且是我們要的嘛,會給我們一個共識,是,你說你爭取要跟美國買核能的技術跟他們的設備,對不對?沒有啦,我是覺得應該是先解決核廢料,其實美國、法國他們都有很先進可以處理核廢料, |
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因為AIT處長肯定會說什麼他就是說在核能的技術還有包括核會的處理他們要幫忙他已經講了三次了到後來他受不了他推特上面他自己都還貼上去你不是說要去反應嗎你贊成你沒有去反應我有反應啦有反應美國應該很高興啊 |
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因為你賣給我們 我們第一個我們這個逆差就可以 我們賺到錢就減少了所以採購是縮短貿易對我們的電力有幫助然後核電也有技術 項目之一 採購有齁 那供料到底怎樣啦應該是華裔的啦 這個有主管機關啦負責啦 經濟部或者是這個跟這個好 從這次的以色列跟伊朗的這個金氏衝突我們看到兩個很重大歧視 第一個天然氣佔比太高 這個抽油能源政策要去調整 |
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第二個趕快再推動核電特別是美國已經主動開口了要賣給我們核電的技術跟設備包括你剛才說的核威力要處理我覺得委員剛剛提到一點除了這個能源結構以外我們這個天然氣跟油大量的依賴中東這次也說明了這是個風險所以我們會增加對美國的採購氣跟油也有增加能源韌性所以這個是國安的一部分 |
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我贊成啦,你剛剛提到的,不過我跟你講美國現在那個,聽說成本比較高啦,搞不好價格會...它量大之後,價格就會下來,這個是...量大一點,然後要降下來,經濟保健公可能要比現在的,我們是所有天然氣賺的占比,10%是從美國來,那以後可能會變20%或30%,那量...你講的,保健公...量大的,價格就要降,不能夠一兩倍價格,這樣不行 |
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所以除了採購如果我們投資的話我們就變成就是會反映在我們未來也有一定的籌碼我們贊成跟美國買天然氣可是價格不能太高來 我們來談一個馬紹爾總統變成漏湯機的事情 |
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這台鐵到底是外交部的疏忽還是總統府的不對跟委員報告這是總統府第三局的業務但是我是會代為說明我認為真的到他走到最後才突然間有一下雨而且真的他已經走到已經都進場然後已經在落場因為唱完國歌之後他要走回來的時候突然 |
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有一個大雨 陣雨啦馬紹爾那個總統你看看就是最後那一段你看那個頭起起那個是多大的雨然後你看這樣很不禮貌啦不是 我覺得委員齁如果您有可以我用一分鐘時間說明一下齁因為他們馬紹爾這個海寧總統自己有發聲明喔 |
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他自己有說明其實這完全沒有失禮而且對他們來講這個有一個突然間的陣雨這也是一種就是他們在他們文化裡面是代表下雨是一線就是這個所謂的這個好的祝福但我們不去講這個我講的是說他的標準作業程序其實他從車子到然後進場 |
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到唱國歌然後這個三軍儀隊的禮炮都完了他在做閱兵的時候在走最後彎回來的那一段突然間有個陣雨這個其實是標準作業程序就是把它走完以前也是這個樣子所以外面的人因為沒有去了解這整個過程就造成誤會好像我們故意要去漏這個雨然後好像很失禮我們又好像引以為是一件好事 廣正那清德賴總統最近出訪的話淋了雨你會這樣講嗎 |
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其實有兩個問題嘛第一個是你氣象報告的掌握這是一個問題嘛第二個你隨時要應變啊現在總統出來講是什麼因為三軍儀隊都是沒有拿雨傘的跟穿雨衣的在現場這是兩國的國事訪問耶 |
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所以其實這個就是標準作為澄清我為什麼說我說外交是專業有一些批評我必須要澄清是因為我覺得我們看專業啦 保定你幫人要辯護啦 不然被困在外面來 這是第三局的業務啦2017年 來來來 保定你看一下你看看 你當然有專業 我知道這也是專業啦2017年蔡英文總統抵達荒都拉斯的時候 進行經理你看 人家去繞路經理上面當然是可以撐傘的 為什麼不行 |
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你講一般的專業 可是更重要的專業跟尊重 專業跟尊重就是像這樣蔡英文總統沒有被淋雨嘛 我也很滿意賴清德總統說的沒有淋上去是不是這樣如果有問題就要去解決問題 不要一直用專業這個名詞這個也是專業啊 洪都大使人家專不專業這兩個都是專業 情況不一樣 都處理得很好 |
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不過至少不要讓我們總統出去淋雨啦好不好沒有我現在是要說明就是說那天的國事訪問的整個軍理過程都合乎規定而且雙方面都認為這樣是很正常至於說外面如果斷章取義我作為外交部長我必須替總統府第三局來說 |
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我們應該講說這是天上的祝福嘛這個就是現場的時候海里總統講的話因為我跟他很熟他也用這樣的話講所以我們才會引據來作為一個說明好啦 你至少也承認人家國外的專業嘛對不對我們自己如果真的有失誤這兩個都是專業 這沒有衝突不過林大比總是不好的OK 好啦最後有點時間 大概一分鐘好不好趕快早上我看很多人在問你這個去以色列度假打工這個事情你剛講的一個計畫很重要啊 |
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以色列就是一個長年戰爭威脅的地方嘛對 他們有避難設施 隨時那個警示 隨時的通訊所以其實他們的狀況我們不能夠用外人去理解在那邊生活 不管是在那邊已經定居 或者是工作 或者在那邊求學的人他的選擇 就是我們必須 如果你強迫他撤離 |
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因為它跟伊朗的情形不一樣那因為國際上也是就是維持度假打工而且都要有受理這個不是說一公佈就一堆人去啊所以不能夠把這個程序壓縮好像我們鼓勵大家去暫地冒著風險這個這個不好啦因為這個會造成誤會這個度假打工這個合作必須要什麼時候簽這個之前簽嘛有生效日嘛我們就按照這個因為你突然間還沒有進入到更 |
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更高的警示等級你自己單方面去做一些行動這在外交上是是很不合宜的啦現在問題出在哪裡就是2023年12月27號要簽這個備忘錄的時候那時候中東的情勢應該已經是緊張了吧那時候以色列跟以哈應該就已經開打了吧我肯定我知道我們的外交人員是辛苦我們國家處境也是困難的要多一些交流這個我們都肯定可是在交流跟國人生命安全之間 |
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它是2023年10月10月7號發生戰爭嘛那我意思是說其實這種常年在威脅之下就像我們不要讓國際人認為說台灣很危險都不能來一樣我說這個怎麼樣去符合實際啊但是我意思是說他們的這些避難或安全的措施做得非常好全社會防禦任性 全民皆兵 |
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我們不要是用外人 因為我們任何一個動作都會讓他覺得說 那以後我們台灣咧只要有一個什麼樣的中共的動作 那全世界人都不要來嘛這個都是我們有長遠的思考啊 而且是對等的第一 我們台灣比以色列安全很多啦第二個 當然 我知道我們外國人也很辛苦當然台灣 台灣北一 東京交流比較推的部長 我今天要跟你討論的是 當初要簽這個備忘錄的時候以哈戰爭 那時候中東已經緊張了所以要簽這個要更謹慎 我不是反對簽啦 |
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575.834 |
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579.875 |
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就是安全一定要注意啦這第一點 第一點 我跟妳說妳的這個度假打工的這個還在妳們這個網站上面耶妳至少蓋一個暫緩吧或者做一些說明吧因為它暫緩啦我剛才在看 我上去看它還是應該有 有貼暫緩的 |
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597.097 |
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624.289 |
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對 就是停止啦上面蓋一個暫緩嘛要嘛就先撤下來是個辦法啦好不好沒有沒有沒有其實雙方面簽的東西在那裡就是在那裡那因為行政程序在辦理的時候我們已經所以暫緩 當然要繼續推動可以當然可是最重要的就是國人安全還是第一啦對不對 國人安全第一個第二個 既然已經是現在暫緩要把它講清楚好不好是 實驗到同仁參考一下委員剛剛的提醒謝謝我們張啟台委員的諮詢接下來有林育君委員上台諮詢 |