| IVOD_ID |
162724 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162724 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T11:08:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T11:21:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a7317e89bed6321c675eab13042bab466e31d1dd57576f62286a26d91266f61260a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:45 - 11:21:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、衛生福利部邱部長泰源、法務部、海洋委員會海巡署就「近三年菸酒管理法對於私菸（含電子菸 加熱菸）查緝成效與菸品健康捐經費分配及運作使用情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【6月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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部長你支持國不國立國際醫療台灣發展的國際醫療產業我們國家一直在發展對嘛 支持這個產業發展國際醫療因為台灣的醫療水準醫療產業相當的好除了現在我們有台積電希望下一個國際醫療可以變成我們一個很好的這個產業對吧 |
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請問,境外人士來這邊做這些國際醫療,比如說醫美啊,境外人士,外國人啊,境外人士,可以使用健保嗎?不行。不行嘛,對不對?是不是自費?自費。所以這樣會掏空健保嗎? |
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如果以單純來做醫美對啊就做這些國際醫療當然就是因為他們如果是國外的人嘛對就國外我說就國外來這邊做一些國際醫療啦他沒有我們的健保沒有健保沒有健保就是國外的人嘛日本人啊韓國人啊就是國外的人嘛都是國外對境外人士啊就外國不管哪裡反正沒有健保的人啊沒有健保沒有健保不能用健保嘛對不對因為國際醫療是這樣而且要自費對不對是這個產業我們也很鼓勵嘛一直在推嘛是那這樣會掏空健保嗎 |
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如果只有在這個國際外國人到這邊做智慧的項目這幾個山跟健保是沒有什麼關係這樣子沒有啦 沒有關係喔跟那個健保的 不會掏空健保跟醫療量沒有關係喔會影響健保就是國人這醫美然後如果產生副作用以後那個是國人嘛 那是國人的問題我們說的是國際醫療的部分啦好 謝謝 謝謝部長喔好 那可以回座了 這個我請那個 |
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我今天要請教您是因為有一個霸團或者是律師賴中強說他最近一直說出一些很奇怪的話雖然他是法律專業但他也不是醫療產業也不是這個軍事專業他說什麼我們主張做國際醫療就會掏空台灣的健保量能掏空台灣健保 |
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這個是雞心叵測 非常差第二個 他又說 來 這個 這一個他又說兩岸人民關係條例第29條修正案企圖將禁限制水域去主權化將台海關係定為內戰關係形成台灣問題是中國內政問題的法律框架這是陳永康委員提出來那個我現在請問你這個兩岸條例這個29條修法重點這你應該知道我們禁限制水域是由哪邊公告啊 |
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我們金縣制水域現在都是國防部公告依照聯合條例第29現在是國防部公告是好那我想請問那現在我們這個金縣制水域就是我們現在金門以金門地區來講金縣制水域周遭的水域是你們是海軍國防部的海軍艦艇來巡防還是由海巡署你們來巡防 |
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那個地方因為太敏感太近我平時上都進行水域都4000到6000公尺那我也非常清楚地理非常接近所以目前執法在近現實水域內都是海巡人員在執法馬祖金門包括東定等等都是中國 |
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自己宣稱所謂的領海基線 領海範圍內嘛因為它很近嘛 我們太近了嘛我要重申是中國宣稱所謂的領海基線 因為它等一下會先劃過來基本馬祖就在中國劃的那個領海範圍內嘛所以我們那時候中華民國劃一個那個領海基線的時候劃第一批領海基線的時候有沒有把我們基門劃進去 |
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金門的話因為臨海基線我們現在劃的現在都是近線之水域就沒有劃沒有劃沒有劃金門有沒有被中華民國劃進去我們中華民國也要把我們劃進去因為離島地形特殊沒有嘛 特殊嘛 對不對因為太近嘛 對不對基本上臨海基線一劃就跟東沙一樣東沙本島一樣劃臨海基線我們12海里就臨海 |
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所以這個陳永康委員修這個29條的這個兩岸條例是因為現在的確執法就是這個是執法就是海巡署在執法吧不是國軍執法因為環境特殊吧也避免太近啊萬一什麼衝突啊是因為兩岸關係特殊所以畫設淨水線涉及到國防戰略國家安全跟地區情勢等等我知道我想請問你來我想請問你這一點是所以 |
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所以如果 我想請問法務部 法務部上來一下我先請問你 禁限制水域這個東西是不是國際海洋法裡面的我先請問你 賴中強說 將會把金門大變成中國的內海化國際海洋公約內海這種名詞嗎 |
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有 寧海跟昨天報告寧海可以自然基線跟直線基線中國大陸採直線基線 不管怎樣寧海基線耗完之後裡面是內水12海浬是寧海那有內海嗎 有內水我知道內國水域啊 沒有內海他說我們把它變內海 是內水嘛專有名詞怎麼可以說是內海呢學法律的律師什麼都不懂胡說八道我請問法務部來 |
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金縣治水你剛剛有聽到金門因為這個環境特殊所以有劃了金縣治水域 國防部劃了一個金縣治水域然後金門也沒有被中華民國劃入在臨海基線裡頭因為我們就是離大陸太近嘛特殊原因沒有辦法劃嘛但是大陸劃的裡頭 中國大陸劃的是有把我們劃進去這是他劃的啦好 那特殊 所以我們現在是海巡在守嘛海巡在守 沒有國防部在守因為怕說萬一有什麼衝突 海軍第一級啊擔心這很多衝突啦所以現在是海巡在幫我們顧海岸 |
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還要顧那個禁限制水域這個事實上就是這樣子那請問啊這個如果禁限制水域這個東西喔這個由國防部改為海委會來公告那這個是不是請問這個國防部是不是代表國家主權國防部我們政府機關都是代表國家去行使我們的公權利沒錯嘛海巡署算不算 |
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海巡署有比國安部高 海委會啦應該說海委會啦海委會高比國安部稅寒國安部代表國家主權海委會就不代表國家主權嗎 |
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都是屬於行政院的一部分對嘛都是行政院都是我們國家的中央機關嘛這個沒有問題嘛所以就法律上來講為什麼有律師會說把限制或禁止水域把國安部公告的部分公告啦改為現在本來就是已經是海巡在管了啦實際上海巡在管改為什麼海委會來公告就會變成是我們去主權化呢 |
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為什麼這樣會被人去阻結案你可以解釋一下嗎他的這個律師公開開記者會這樣講喔他說公告單位本來是國防部變成海巡的話為什麼這樣被人去阻結案你們海巡組海委會不是國家主權的象徵喔委員可以補充報告嗎他為什麼這樣講啊 |
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包委員 不管律師怎麼講 我們政府機關立場是這樣你們政府機關立場沒有問題 誰要換我都沒有問題 重點不在這裡我的意思是在評論這件事情說 是不是他的評論是正確的就像他說國際醫療 來做國際醫療就會把我們的健保掏空 明明那些人都要付費 |
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都要花錢耶我們意思是說我們不僅司法考量當然還有國防戰略跟國家安全考量這個都是可以考慮但是這等於是說如果有你們來公告就去主權嗎我問的是這個問題有誰來公告這都可以考慮 |
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但是會因為這樣而變得去嘴因為今天是海巡在管那現在海巡不要管叫國防部回來管因為實際上海巡沒有錯但是他整個牽涉層面國安跟國防戰略考量等等包括地區穩定等等所以還是由國防部會比較恰當沒問題嘛我說誰公告這都不是重點嘛現在是你們在管嘛所以你們在管就不是捍衛國家主權 |
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我們絕對絕對捍衛國家主權 是嘛所以你們也是捍衛國家主權嘛 是那是因為 帶中強胡說八道來 那請問另外一條來 我先發布兩岸人民關係條例第八十條之一規範規範什麼你知道嗎我唸給你聽一下大陸的這個傳播未經許可進入台灣地區台灣地區就是金門台灣地區 台澎金限制或禁限制水域處心臺壁的划船一千萬三十萬 |
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這個機關訂的是哪一個機關喔?我該跟你講了你知道這條嗎?應該是由主管機關來的海巡啦 主管機關那如果照這樣講這個處罰應該要給國防部訂啊為什麼要給海委會訂?跨社都不能給海委會處罰為什麼要給那個?我問一下法律觀念啦在兩岸條例部分有關驅離越界路傳的話我來問法務部好不好你都知道我知道 我來問法務部因為這是法律問題啦 |
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實際就是你們在做嘛我知道我是不知道為什麼這樣跟主權會有關係會把什麼會矮化我們的主權啊然後也沒有內海這種詞啊要說什麼這是什麼什麼內海內水就內水不懂為什麼這樣會矮化主權喔這怎麼解釋成矮化主權中央行政機關都是捍衛主權為出發點來去解釋都是代表國家的主權嘛齁有沒有問題海委會就是矮化主權是嗎 |
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跟委員報告說兩岸條例很多主管機關去年就入船的話主管機關明定是我們海委會海巡署但是我剛才報告過了整個化設淨線水域要牽涉到方方面面的考量沒問題 有別的考量沒有問題但是這跟主權有什麼關係 |
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沒有關係嘛 對不對來 副主長我來問一個 海巡署的一個問題這個齁 反正我在這裡釐清啦就有一些所謂什麼金明年耐律師啊什麼都不懂 軍事也不懂醫療也不懂 就胡說八道什麼都是什麼矮化主權 只是為了要罷免而已來 |
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這個破壞國人的這個破壞產業的發展像醫療產業發展很重要這樣子誤導老百姓來那個海巡署我要請問啦副市長這個艦對不起再一分鐘艦隊君子聯執行海上查緝主角和海域衝突的高抗性情務風險很高嘛高的案情那至於設計你們現在沒有24小時待命或是已領海情加急你們把它排除當作戰鬥加急對象對不對是 |
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我們在108年跟人種有爭取過因為以前都是養種局變艦隊分屬因為你們裡面有警職人員 直八倍四警職人員可以加班可以申請補休 軍職卻沒有辦法 這樣公平嗎 |
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因為我們有規定各類人員要依照各自的人事法令來辦理軍職就沒有生理只有夜點會我知道所以我的意思是說因為我們最近不是修軍的話有戰鬥家旗可以加所以像在海巡裡頭的軍職人員他沒有而且你們還要求你們是不是有要求軍職人員簽署不清明戰鬥家旗的切結書有要求嗎 |
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那個事讓他知道你過來依規定他過來艦隊分屬沒辦法支領海巡部隊你們可以行政程序法第70條行政機關不得已企業或其他方式限制人民依法得享之潛力喔沒有沒有你可以隨便叫人家簽這個我們等於是調查意願調查所以這個沒有強制力就對了沒有沒有沒有沒有而且 |
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軍人待遇條例通過之後他以後會比我們的人員高考比方上位出任一個月多一萬七左右 |
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請你們禁止,有一法務在這裡不可以用竊竊術方式剝奪老百姓尤其你們的人員申請補助的權利不要再簽這種東西,違法行為不要再簽這種東西,而且要追溯補償,回復應有權利一個月內給我答案可以嗎?是一個月內可以嗎?一定可以好,謝謝副處長好,謝謝陳立堅委員的諮詢我們現在休息十分鐘 |