| IVOD_ID |
162720 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162720 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-36,15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第3次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第3次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T11:05:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T11:11:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a731fdc0f0f0c5e3775c914d80f272b5bb41d1dd57576f62286918409242d3ea2ab5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:01 - 11:11:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制、內政委員會第3次聯席會議（事由：一、併案審查（一）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人、（二）台灣民眾黨黨團、（三）委員張智倫等17人、（四）委員葉元之等21人及（五）委員羅美玲等18人分別擬具「內政部組織法第五條條文修正草案」案。
二、併案審查（一）台灣民眾黨黨團、（二）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人、（三）國民黨黨團、（四）委員張智倫等17人、（五）委員葉元之等21人及（六）委員羅美玲等18人分別擬具「內政部新住民發展署組織法草案」案。） |
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休息五分鐘謝謝有請次長委員好其實今天是一個很荒謬的會議這個荒謬的會議我從內政委員會在上個會期的審議新住民權益保障法到 |
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後來進入政黨協商以後進入政黨協商以後一次的協商三個小時的內容其實大家都簽名了法案名稱就是要做新住民權益保障法新住民權益保障法 |
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將中配納入新住民的定義也就是說你有本國籍的配偶然後你來到台灣以後你就具有新住民的身份這佔了有65%的中國配偶會變成新住民的定義 |
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當然我們希望進入台灣之後進入生活之後他取得台灣國民身份證之後他就是台灣人嘛 |
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那這個新住民基本法的第二條裡面又把它匡列進為它永遠是新住民這個我覺得萬萬不可啊但是還是在藍白的強行表決之下那在藍白策遷協商結論並且把這個法正式改為新住民基本法 |
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那這個基本法之後呢 我們內政部就要開始來研擬這個組織法嘛那但是目前內政部還沒有研擬出來的原因是因為當然還要涉及到其他各部會的這些問題嘛那你到底跟陸委會等等的這些新住民的或者是這些陸配的相關的權益要由誰來幫他們協助所以今天的 |
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今天的這個組織法我是覺得很奇怪啦但是隨著這個組織法隨著這個新住民基本法確立了之後呢好現在組織法又來了把基本法的內容又搬來這裡再來討論一次到底他的身份是不是一輩子來市長市長我取得台灣身份證之後我還是新住民嗎如果這個依照這個新住民的定義 |
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那他這個新住民的身份要跟他多久 市長 |
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依照新住民這個基本法來回應陳獨維上面所秀的其實基本法第二條就已經把它明定了就是婚姻移民、子女等等的其實這些都已經涵蓋那其實我們在這個內容子女也涵蓋他一輩子就是新住民所以我還是希望說榮祿取得國人身份之後就是我中華民國的國民可是依照這個基本法 |
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189.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
206.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
他只要是新住民所生的這些小孩他一輩子都叫新住民對不對我是覺得不應該標籤化對,這個就是今天這部法令的很荒謬的地方啦我相信有很多現在可能念到國中、高中甚至大學 |
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207.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
228.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
台灣嬰啊 然後你卻用這個法令來規範他是新住民所以我覺得這個必須要提出來齁那這個其實就是沒有經過完整的討論並且推翻政黨協商把新住民權益保障法一旦他取得 權益保障的意思一旦他取得台灣身份證的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
229.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
249.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
他就確確實實就台灣國民了嘛那你還稱他為新住民這第二條定義就是非常有問題的那今天我提出來的這一個齁除了這個組織法裡面除了這個身份之外裡面還藏了很多貓膩包含保險包含考試這些都非常非常需要 |
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250.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
278.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
讓社會來檢視的問題啦 我跟你說根據2024年這個台灣外配的這個生活調查指標裡面98.1%的新住民他其實是有健保的喔73.8%他是有勞保的喔那你現在又在這個第二條裡面要規定這些社會保險我不知道他規定什麼耶 |
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279.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
305.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
已經98%有健保了欸他如果入籍台灣之後他也會有健保我們要保障的是他在還沒有取得身份證這一段時間的這個權益嘛那有沒有在做衛福部有在做啊這個內政部有在做啊每一個部會都有在做啊弄這個基本法對不起真的是很奇怪好最嚴重的考試請問一下齁 |
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312.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
324.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
人事總長在這裡,請問一下考試公務人員要不要有台灣國籍?一定來啊新住民國家考試要不要? |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
325.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
345.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
阿現在的按照目前的規定是要期的國籍以後要10年阿沒有阿我現在新住民國家考試要入法阿怎麼弄阿你就是侵犯到憲法阿那是科技營業管阿所以侵犯憲法嘛一個組織法可以侵犯憲法欸多嚴重好 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
347.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
372.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
他要另外立一個國家考試之外呢台灣人咧我們原本大家平等的考試制度在哪裡考試院有沒有來來考選部來中華民國最珍貴的地方在於我們的法治我們的法治立足在一個平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
373.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
392.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
那這一個平等的考試如果有這個新住民國家考試來你回應一下你有沒有辦法做那個公務人員考試法開宗明義就說公開競爭為之啊國家考試以公開競爭為之啊所以也是也是違法的嗎好謝謝好謝謝那我們休息五分鐘 |