| IVOD_ID |
162717 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162717 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T10:45:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T10:57:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a73d17c7d5d2f537d8e89c8da44615ed5dbfe48e1f12328ce2471b279d209db4cef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
馬文君 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:04 - 10:57:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：處理院會交付114年度中央政府總預算決議，外交部主管預算凍結案等3案。） |
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謝謝主席謝謝部長已經站上來了部長早部長今天我們也特別提到很多委員也在關切就是說中東的緊張局勢因為事實上它從112年開始因為以巴戰爭還有葉門的 |
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這個胡塞組織的鴻海危機其實它就一直持續到現在美軍也一直在增強在中東地區的兵力部署的這個航母艦隊也從來沒有減少而且甚至近期更將印太的兵力往中東地區去做支援那在昨天美國政府更宣布美軍已經在參戰的邊緣而且要求伊朗無條件投降美國務院也連續發出安全警訊 |
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要求不要前往伊朗、伊拉克以及以色列川普總統更要所有人離開德黑蘭這些事態外交部目前都有掌握嗎我們就是全力掌握中那現在我們的掌握跟美國的做法有什麼不一樣 |
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我們當然有跟包括美方還有他們各國的大使館交換這些資訊來做因應那有沒有成立專責的工作小組跟外館建立高風險地區通報機制或者跟第三國協調撤離的機制 |
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有,我們都有標準作業程序,也針對這個就是在中東的這個戰事的發展,密切注意跟相對的來做因應部長我們想要比較清楚的回答,因為他已經發展,事態已經發展到這樣因為外交部直到昨天晚上六點的時候還是維持以色列橙色警訊因為美國都已經改成紅色最高等級,我們還是橙色的,這個原因是什麼 |
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其實有些國家有紅色有些國家是有橙色有些是部分紅色部分橙色我們是部分紅色部分橙色我們哪裡是紅色北京跟嘉薩附近這裡我們是紅色我們認為其他地方還不到這樣的地步因為它都有它的一個評估的標準所以我們就是根據這個標準來辦理 |
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可是美國已經發出這樣子的紅色的警訊了但是像日韓像很多國家他們還是維持也是橙色 |
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那我們其實不是看日韓啦我們看的應該是我們能夠因為日韓有些他們在撤離或者他們跟周邊國家的協調他們可以往周邊國家跑的時候其實他們都還有一些規劃跟他們的一些撤離的機制那我們的台貿的這個專責的工作單位 |
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他們現在目前我們相駐德黑蘭的台貿中心是否要撤離因為我們在伊朗沒有代表處就是這個貿協啊這個德黑蘭中心就是這個負責他當然是經濟部的單位不過我們的聯繫都非常的密切那因為我們針對旅外的國人都有這個登錄當然他有一些他沒有登錄他會來做 |
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因為剛剛您說有掌握這相關的這些態勢的發展我現在要說的是美國已經發出紅色警戒那我們還在橙色那也如果認為這樣可以那另外伊朗是全部的紅色嗎那紅色警戒我們台貿中心是否應該要撤離因為你都已經紅色警戒他連地方都沒得跑他們是都有做準備有做的可以去哪裡因為他們現在是說當然 |
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他們接下來要打第三區我們的台貿中心就是在第三區他們接下來已經宣布要打第三區我們就在那裡那你現在還不走要等什麼時候才走因為九人裡面走了三人然後另外三個已經安排要離境安排好了我們的政府單位或所屬的法人機構他們怎麼去照顧我們在當地的人讓他能夠順利的離境這個也是他的工作可是也必須要照顧自己的安全 |
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不能置於險境部長那個都沒關係我剛剛講的是台貿中心已經是被宣稱已經要攻擊的周邊區域了你們應該要做的是他有他即使照顧國人也要照顧自己他自己都不安全他沒有辦法再做後續的工作這個部分他們可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離他們都有做好的來請說 |
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這個部分的話簡短跟穩報告就是說您剛提到第三區的確那個伊朗國家電視台就在第三區昨天我們跟孫主任冒險孫主任也提到這個部分那他們的確聽到那個聲音離辦公室有一段距離那目前呢他們最近可能會測完報告知道距離不是用聽的 |
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他們是先聽到聲音對 我說爆炸的距離不是用聽的對他今天一打過來你連跑都沒機會跑那目前的話呢就是說像我們剛剛博鳳說的我們其他六位的官員包含孫主任本人我們之前那個已經跟他們提到就是說那個撤離的路線是會往土耳其那主任他還有另外一條路線是往離海往北邊走那地方是相對來講安全的已經有安排有 有安排那主任他可能這一兩天就會動身往離海的方向去做一個自我就是說一個安全的一個處理的一個動作 |
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好 那可見我們也知道那裡的態勢是非常緊張而且它不是現在才開始剛剛部長我們有提到從112年就開始可是我們在中東地區緊張態勢已經持續這麼久的時間外交部為什麼在本月初的時候公告我們啟動青年學子赴以色列度假打工這樣的一個申請的訊息我們的原因是什麼 |
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就是我們就按照標準作業程序的判斷嘛那因為這個因為其他國家還是都維持包括像韓國、澳洲、紐西蘭所以我們怎麼樣跟國際同步那這個對台語關係也很重要可是並不代表說我們要去讓國人置入險境我們會 |
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檢討情勢的變化所以後來會暫緩也是因為情勢有變化因為那時候還沒有發生戰爭發生戰爭之後我們就暫緩了部長你6月3號還在往官網上面今天如果有疏失我覺得我們可以勇敢的去面對而不是在這裡去說這些理由今天如果6月3號有人看到的時候部長聽我講完那個不是過不急你的孩子你會讓他去那裡嗎 |
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你不是笑話嗎今天如果我們沒有充分掌握所有的孩子所有的國人如果你知道專業更不可以用這種小編你的小編都在上面寫什麼就這個問題請你尊重我外交部的同仁專業的判斷 |
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他是網路語言 外交部的官網可以發生網路語言嗎部長如果可以 你如果知道是專業你更應該要這樣好好的 我們本來應該好好的談這是一個非常嚴肅的問題 你讓我們年輕人在沒有充分的資訊之下 他們相信的會是外交部外交部在你的官網上面 鼓勵我們所有的青年人 |
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去以色列還有這樣的一個國家他來登記我們都還沒有在執行中你6月3號還在受理如果他報名了他6月10號要出門可以嗎有人請你了解外交的專業可以嗎 外交專業是什麼讓我們聯繫的讓我們 |
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外交專業是讓我們的年輕人到一個以色列戰火衝刺的地方什麼叫誇張什麼叫誇張什麼叫扭曲事實你6月3號是不是有那一篇6月3號 |
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你去查看看6月3號美國是什麼樣的等級什麼叫沒有發生戰爭你胡說八道尊重外交專業我們就是不認為你有外交專業如果今天要講到這樣我們進退你這邊你看的是韓國的外交紐西蘭嗎 |
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你看的是澳洲 紐西蘭如果他們已經有人犧牲了你還是讓他犧牲嗎你今天如果是專業部長今天如果你是專業你在之前就應該要探訪如果外交協議或者辦活動是你的主要重點你應該讓現在社會正常因為有一堆年輕人要去外交要去度假打工那是雙方一個度假打工辦法的受理的時間 |
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我們當然會因情勢做調整啊你6月3號 包括情勢的層級都依照國際的規範跟國際對接部長因為這樣會傷害國家我才會這樣子回應你部長 部長因為會傷害台語的關係我才會這樣講啊部長你傷害到什麼因為您的發言傷害到我們的外交關係你的外交關係是什麼以色列會在乎的如果你認為這樣會傷害你告訴大家我們會傷害什麼 |
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因為當其他國家還維持跟以色列度假打工我們自己當方面去停止那個時候還沒有發生戰爭這會傷害我們產業關係部長 把他講清楚其他國家什麼時候把這個危險的等級換掉的 |
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都是按照警示標準的調整這個程序就是這樣子部長什麼時候你是外交部長我一跟你講說6月1號的時候包括澳洲紐西蘭韓國等等跟以色列有度假打工的國家還是維持這個辦法的實施但是不代表我們要出發也不代表我們完成了審查我們國人他在乎的是因為有太多扭曲我必須要說明因為這涉及到我們的外交 |
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你讓我們的國人深入險境你還敢這樣說你還敢這樣說 你還敢這樣說你讓我們的年輕人深入險境你的小編可以在網路上面這樣子的編冒險王 什麼叫冒險王 |
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你的孩子你會這樣讓他去嗎你扭曲事實你會讓他這樣去嗎什麼叫扭曲事實你到6月3號你的官網還沒換欸我們的網站最重要那時候還沒有發生以色列跟伊朗的戰事 |
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我們根據警示在辦理 根據國際的規範與其他國家同步可恥 今天如果我們發現我們氣象報告說哪一個地方可能在禮拜六或禮拜天或下個禮拜會有暴風雨會有颱風的時候你會在那時候還鼓勵你的孩子下個禮拜去那裡辦活動這個禮拜去那裡辦露營嗎 |
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部長 將心比心你今天 你今天要站在這個位你今天要站在這個位你如果要站在這裡做維委員在那裡爛掉我不是這樣的人 我也知道所以我們剛開始很理性的跟你談沒有傷害 你有傷害沒有傷害到什麼外交關係你告訴我 傷害到哪一個外交關係我們跟以色列簽了這樣一個度假打工 |
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獨家老公你可不可以請黑熊學院的去他們的成員需要面對的因為他們現在在教我們所有的國人現在他們需要的是暫時的一些實務的經驗如果你這樣說你怕跟以色列傷害到這樣的協議就可以推這樣的活動沒有國際規範 |
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國家的安全是一個外交部長掌握所有國際態勢除非你根本不在乎如果你不在乎才會繼續做這樣的事而且在國會殿堂還可以持續這樣講我剛剛舉例你應該很清楚如果今天我們事實有一些處我必須說明對國家的外交關係會影響我也必須要澄清 |
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6月3號他就已經是這樣然後你們鼓勵我們的孩子去冒險就跟我們剛剛講的如果已經有戰爭發生你已經來不及部長戰爭發生你已經來不及很遺憾我們國家的外交部長是你林佳龍 |