| IVOD_ID |
162712 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162712 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T10:36:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T10:44:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a730e45a2a8e547067089c8da44615ed5dbfe48e1f12328ce2440a1818b981201f85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:54 - 10:44:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：處理院會交付114年度中央政府總預算決議，外交部主管預算凍結案等3案。） |
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副院長高層發生了共諜案讓全體的國人非常的痛心 |
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之前請教部長的是有關於在外交部伴隨在外交部長身邊的一些機要他們進行安全查核的狀況吳釗燮已經成為我們在國安上、外交上一個非常嚴重的破口 |
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他的任內六年內斷交八個邦交國當然裡面最可惡的是中華人民共和國不斷地在挖我國外交的牆角這也是為什麼在外交戰上面這麼的重要大家都支持外交部希望把工作給做好沒想到 |
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我們的吳釗燮部長旁邊養了一個共諜長年洩露資料目前吳釗燮他的親信何仁傑已經起訴了起訴代表案件偵查終結了他所洩露的機密資訊對我們的外交所造成的傷害外交部進行了評估沒有有傷害大不大大非常大 |
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就是傷害大傷害大那何仁傑當然接受司法審判嘛你認為吳釗燮要不要負責這個有檢調單位跟司法單位我們分兩個層次嘛何仁傑的部分司法檢調當然追溯的是刑事責任嘛 |
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我說吳釗燮要不要負責是政治責任他養在旁邊的人洩露的資訊部長剛說對我國國家外交國安造成非常大的傷害吳釗燮要不要負政治責任就是我的問題 |
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因為在檢察官的起訴書上也呈現了一些我想對外交傷害的描述至於說您在質詢我我的看法我都誠實講包括這個查核的範圍因為他接觸的機密的程度怎麼樣能夠確實來落實這個我也都我們都會透過這個事件來做檢討跟改善你覺得吳釗燮要不要負政治責任 |
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這個所謂政治責任就是有一個政務官自己去判斷他自己判斷就對了嘛,他自己要知所進退嘛,部長你的意思是這樣嘛委員如果有機會的話可以問他我就沒有機會,是法治委員會請了他好幾次啊他不來就是不來啊好像現在全中華民國,我們整個台灣吳釗燮最大,吳釗燮最大 |
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什麼人都管不到他他也不用管任何人我是沒機會問到他啦所以我才請教部長沒關係你是現任的部長要你去批判前任的部長我也不要為難你這不是我的初衷但是在國會殿堂我們一定要利用機會說出非常多台灣人的心聲啊造成這麼大的外交國安破口啊還有臉賴在位子上 |
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還有臉賴在位子上啊這什麼前外交部部長啊無恥至極啊自己不知道自己對國家造成的傷害有多大啊還賴在位子上啊立法院請他來都不敢來啊來 第二個剛剛部長說 起訴書你都看過了嘛對吧 |
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剛剛你講到起訴書有描述對國家安全外交傷害很大嘛那代表部長起訴書看過了嘛對吧是好2022年 |
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外交電報屏外洩駐美代表蕭美琴很生氣啊那個時候我們的副總...現在的副總統當時的駐美代表非常火大我們駐美代表處的機密外洩造成美國的不信任結果洩密的來源不是駐美代表處部長你知不知道當時洩密的來源是哪裡 |
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就這個個案我不清楚真的喔那個部長你回去再把起訴書再把它看得更詳細一點看完我相信你會掌握更清楚的線索所以我一開始我才開宗明義的請教你嘛何仁杰他搞出來的洞對我們的傷害有多大 |
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因為傷害造成了法律責任、政治責任我們追究那但是,與此同時怎麼去修補這個傷害也是很重要的事嘛你一定要先知道傷害在哪裡才知道要如何修補嘛我的思考邏輯是這個樣子啦對,才能做好損害控管所以,2022年我們的駐美代表蕭美琴很生氣的這件事情 |
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那時候瘋傳媒啊還寫一個評論外交電報評外洩啊蕭美琴該火大的對象就是她您知不知道那個她是誰啊這個報導裡面有寫啊是 吳釗燮嘛欸 這個報導裡面就是吳釗燮嘛那2022年警鈴都已經響了2022年警鈴都已經響了 |
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結果呢 等到真的出事了真的出事了結果這個傢伙還賴在位子上我老實講讓我覺得真的是嘆為觀止啊不知道該怎麼樣啊 形容那藉由質詢部長這件事情因為啊 那個起訴書上面所寫的內容指證歷歷啦我們哪些外交活動 |
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被吳釗燮旁邊養的共諜搞得亂七八糟的上面都有寫啦我希望部長還有外交部的同仁辛苦啦前面的人捅的馬蜂窩我們在第一線辛苦的外交同仁現在要收拾善後因為最近在接見一些美國友人跟智庫的時候他們也很關心這件事 |
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我們相信台灣這邊的官員跟他們講很多事結果台灣官員旁邊養的共諜把他跑去跟北京講這對我們外交傷害非常的嚴重這種關係的修補漏洞把他補起來都是非常重要的事部長你同意嗎 |
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同意好啊加油啊加油啊希望接下來上次你所提到的你們有關於啊人事特殊安全查核制度的改革能夠早一點落實不要再發生這樣的事情了好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |