IVOD_ID |
162700 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162700 |
日期 |
2025-06-19 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-18 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
18 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-06-19T09:54:50+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-06-19T10:06:49+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:11:59 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a73b1c52b89eee1b61feab13042bab466e3fe48e1f12328ce245010cf70e641b11b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
委員發言時間 |
09:54:50 - 10:06:49 |
會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議(事由:邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、衛生福利部邱部長泰源、法務部、海洋委員會海巡署就「近三年菸酒管理法對於私菸(含電子菸 加熱菸)查緝成效與菸品健康捐經費分配及運作使用情形」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
【6月18日及19日二天一次會】) |
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謝謝主席 有請兩位部長 莊部長跟邱部長莊部長跟邱部長請 |
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莊部長我先讓你看一下照片這張照片是放在海關裡頭滿坑滿谷的這一個加熱菸你自己有沒有去看過總共在海關沒收的這一個加熱菸總共有34萬條之多依照5月的統計已經有442萬.54萬包了 |
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這滿山滿谷的情況底下還有一部分是已經交給地方政府喔有14萬喔放在海關裡頭是20萬喔過期的也銷毀了11萬條喔你看看這麼多的情況底下結果呢事情已經變成是財政部的事情了剛剛有委員說啊如果半年內沒有通過的話菸酒公司的董事長要下台 |
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但是沒有讓他通過的是你右邊那一位啊是你左邊那一位邱部長啊這魏吳部可以主導這個菸酒公司董事長下台這真是笑話另外一個部分這還有什麼後遺症連日本啊都質疑台灣的法規啊會阻礙日客來台啊就因為江苑院的審查延期 |
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因為三月份的時候衛福部還說連持有都要罰就像毒品一樣到底家庭合不合法你是誘人犯罪嗎政府誘人犯罪嗎違反信賴保護原則嗎基本的法律素養會沒有嗎還是帶墮審查全部都卡在衛福部我們心頭非常清楚 |
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部長你也應該希望多一點稅收的來源吧剛剛賴昭偉就說稅差損就差了100億嘛長照3.0需不需要稅收的來源需不需要邱部長有需要嗎 |
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3.0欸一個月過去一個月補助一萬接下來一個月要補助一萬五所需要的稅金來源要更多結果你這個稅差損就差了一百億部長我們的這個審查標準有其他的比其他的國家還原嗎還是因為人為的因素上一屆的委員剛卸任的這屆委員對外就放出風聲在這一屆裡頭不可能通過而通過了這一屆的委員當中呢到現在還沒有開會審查 |
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如果說衛福部有這麼大的意見當初院版就不應該提出就不應該讓他通過不是嗎部長院版裡面當然就是有就是有設立就是說三讀的時候當然那個法案就有審查的辦法那這個辦法裡面也列出了標準那這兩任期那個時候也聘請了委員任期是兩年嘛那現在到期了我們現在也換了新的委員兩年 年一線都沒有通過 |
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審查標準有別人家演嗎你就比較其他國家就好了嘛你不要制定一個自己的標準嘛很多國家都已經合法化那個要要去抄也很容易抄好不好有需要搞成這麼久嗎 |
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跟委員報告目前全球只有兩個國家在審查一個是美國一個是台灣其他的國家是沒有審查直接合併就可以上市對一般的那沒有審查也會有一個標準嘛那我們標準為什麼這麼嚴我們審查為什麼這麼嚴我們為什麼拖了兩年多為什麼十家沒有一個通過開了五十幾次會都沒有通過為什麼我們就是依據美國FDA的一個上市前審查的一個標準來做相關的審查作業所以說我們的標準是依照美國是 |
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完全一樣口味都相同幾乎都相同幾乎都相同那我們拿回來的這些加熱煙有沒有美國煙目前在美國也還沒有上市那目前這些煙是從哪邊來他們在全球有各地方不同的 |
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不同的國家不同的國家那我們既然已經合法化了我們難道不能一定要比照美國的標準是不是你現在意思是這樣嗎我們按照那個規定跟流程還有相關業者需要準備的相關的一些資料來做審查這業者會不清楚嗎業者都清楚我們也說過很多次的說明會說過很多次的說明會如果是標準的問題那你就把標準公布出來嘛對啊 |
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那你就把標準給我們委員會到底問題出在哪裡到底是行政怠惰還是標準過嚴還是業者不從我們把這整個過程只要依法能夠公告的我們一定我們就來報告委員會就從剛剛那個委員趕快啦那五十幾次會議會議紀錄給我們啊讓我們清楚知道到底什麼原因嘛可以嗎好的我們會把那個依法可以公告送給大家該解決的問題部長你還是要解決啦拖了不是辦法啦你看海關放了三十四萬條在這邊啊 |
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對基如山啦其實工作同仁都是依法在辦依法依規定可以搞了兩年多好 接下來我問一下那個莊部長莊部長我讓你看一下數字 |
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這個中國啤酒的問題經濟部在4月28號的時候就已經對中國啤酒的這個傾銷造成台灣產業已經造成傷害了根據最新的統計中國啤酒的市佔率在今年的第一季已經來到36%你知道台啤目前的市佔率有多少嗎 |
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我知道台啤的市占率現在在下降當中原來都是超過五成以上的現在也在下降對 目前一直下降當中已經下降到四成點九一跟中國進來的36相差不遠比較於去年這一個還當了6%已經接近死亡交叉了恐怕在一年之內就會被中國啤酒給超越了 |
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在這種情況底下我們現在要可能會祭出臨時反請銷稅嘛對不對要70天之內對不對對 是的我們這個部分因為經濟部已經在剛剛如同委員說在4月30完成初步的產業損害調查那麼70天以內我們要完成所謂的請銷初步調查而且我們還會送關稅稅率審議委員會小組所以最晚我們在7月9號之前就會去公告 |
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7月9號之前就會公布公告初步的一個調查結果7月9號之前會公布是否會在課徵臨時稅臨時課徵反省銷稅是的是7月9號之前臨時反省銷稅7月9號之前它裡頭有一個條款說有必要的時候延後30天應該不會延後了吧 |
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呃這個部分我們的關務署一直非常積極而且積極的在進行當中然後會所以不會延後一起做一起依照這個期限來做不會再延後不會再延後好不會再延後70天內7月9號好那你知道喔 |
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現階段他們在這個比較去年五月多進來59% 接近六成那為什麼會多進來呢你去看右邊這一張表格價格調漲通知 請提前囤貨看到沒有雪山 百威 Corona Bar 等等而且是從七月一號開始他們要全面調漲價格請把握補貨機會搶購現價庫存看到沒有 這叫囤貨 |
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進口越多 囤貨越多對台灣的這個啤酒產業者傷害越大我就要問啊這個科增這個依照平衡稅及反請銷稅科增實施辦法第25條之一第二項第二款科增臨時反請銷稅可以追溯既往至90天前這樣的行為你認為是不是應該追溯 部長 |
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有這樣的規定 那可以由業者來提出申請業者又要申訴一次 你才決定要不要柯真這很明顯是囤貨的行為啊這很明顯啊 就是在對抗你的反傾銷的行為啊你還要問業者 你主管機關沒有判斷能力嗎 |
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我們回溯課程法律上是有規定要件我們是從展開調查的前三個月跟後三個月來比較他有沒有因為我們展開調查大量的囤積 |
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數字上會說話數字我們會再調查很明顯啊是 那也跟委員報告抓到了基本上他要申請要課反警交稅的時候同時要跟我們申請說他要不要臨時課徵那你覺得這有沒有明顯這個行為有明顯 你自己看嘛 |
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從委員的這個圖表數字來看我們要看他展開調查之前三個月跟後三個月的基期的一個變化這我們回去會看數據你們好好調查一下 如果必要時應該催售對不對 署長 |
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我們還是要看它是不是符合要件我們還是要看它有沒有符合回收要件來 部長我再跟你講一個那個假嘴有慣犯真的是慣不怕今天就談菸酒的問題你看有一個零性慣犯 |
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他在2016年施設地下這一個工廠製造假酒被判刑五年 還是因為火災喔從2022到2027 結果呢緩刑時間還沒到 2021又賣假酒因為組織犯罪才被判刑兩年今年 今年又因為犯罪集團的顧問繼續賣假酒又被抓到了總共三次 |
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違反了什麼 違反了這個組織犯罪法 它是因為組織犯罪而被犯罪的喔還有包括這個商標法喔 還有其他的文書罪喔那我就要問啊 這個是不是啊 我們的菸酒管理法當中呢 太弱或者是我們食品安全衛生法 |
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管理法太鬆兩位部長兩位部長這個假酒會害死人啊連酒瓶一瓶 連酒瓶喔都可以賣錢還到處收購因為它被扣留了兩萬瓶空瓶子兩位部長你們是沒有在喝酒啦我相信你們身體都非常的健康啦但是問題呢 國人也要健康啦 |
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怎麼處理屢犯屢抓再屢犯兩位部長 莊部長要先回答還是邱部長先回答我想這個不問問的話 |
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應該是很不應該有這樣的情況那因為酒不算食品但是財務財政部在做相關的觀看所以說跟你都沒有關係那財政部來回答來財政部要怎麼處理我想這個部分對國民的健康非常重要但是因為現在的菸酒管理法裡面原來對於就是說有刑罰但這個部分早我已經站起來了我受顯膽的要求那個法該檢討的檢討一個月給本席一份報告 |
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是不是要專案欺查齁你也是做一個考量啦衡量一下也給本席一個報告好不好專案普遍的現象是不可以啦好不好OK 謝謝 |