| IVOD_ID |
162670 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162670 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-19,26,22-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T14:59:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T15:10:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552a9db42c2b0aa6b8145c8a36db9e18c27b5cf4447cd052253df1150b2f0eab0c655ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:59:35 - 15:10:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案。
二、本院委員何欣純等19人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十二條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第四條、第六條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案。
五、本院委員羅美玲等16人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案。(詢答)
（第一案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查。）） |
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江次長投審師的蘇師長請以上的觀眾投審師的蘇師長蘇師長不是投處那個次長次長下午不在經濟部次長師長在投審師好投審師師長也不在在投審師在做次長不在投處不用了投審就好了 |
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最主要是第一個問題請教一下主委跟這個市長因為今天市長不在就是我們把華為跟中興列出口的管制的名單就是說對這個戰略性高科技的這個出口管制我們一下列601好幾個國家其中包括這個中興跟華為這個市長您知道嗎市長您知道嗎 |
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跟委員報告這個是那個出口管制的問題那是國貿署但是今天沒有經濟部代表是誰市長沒來總算有個代表跟委員報告貿易署貿易安全管理辦公室代表是啊但是我今天要請教市長市長也不在也沒有代理人 |
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這個我為什麼提出這個問題啊 我要請問主委 這個當然兩岸關係這個高科技戰很重要我們對他們的這個出口管制早就該做了 但是是單向的進口管制有沒有 比方說我們的半導體廠商跟這個中興華為去投片去投單 這個有沒有管制 或者有沒有必要管制 |
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現在是單項嘛現在國貿署公布是單項現在雙項是不是也應該去考慮跟委員報告目前各國的出口管制制度原則上都是管制出口但是進口是比較特殊的狀況才會管中國是特殊的國家啦你如果跟他們投片買他們東西他裡面如果有什麼做什麼手腳這個有可能啊 |
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所以也對本土的企業會造成影響同樣在國內有生產當然他們會用他們的低價策略或者是國家補助造成他的競爭優勢但是我們要做適度的管制主委您贊成嗎 |
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這個我是贊成的 我想我會把委員的意見反映到經濟部 實話 面板他們是複製台灣的經驗 然後用國家補貼 然後再加上這個低價競爭他就是用這個量來衝到他的這個市場占有率接著下一步就是伸手製程 實話說是也面臨很大的危機啊 |
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沒錯所以這個我覺得應該對國內廠商對中國的比如說中興華為的頭片應該有所管制或者有點限制好那因為經濟部很多問題都沒有沒有一個經濟部的主管可以回答經紀部今天只有只有投審室跟投訴室好我先問一下主委第一個問題請教就是說Talent Taiwan |
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這個國際人才的研覽中心你要有一定的資料而且要精準就是說對海外的人才這個資料庫一定要很精準所以目前您對這個目前這個相關資料庫您的看法怎麼樣 |
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我們現在的確過去我們對這個資料的掌握度是精準度是不足的所以我們在這次修法裡面我們就放進來就是希望我們能夠有比較能夠掌握到這些人員相關的資料包括去向那等等資料的取得 |
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那我們如果能夠得到大院的同意之後我們就會可以依法來取得這些資料來來做分析跟管理因為資料庫的目的是要完整而且要精確才能發揮它的功能嘛那第一個不夠完整第二個不夠精確對所以這部分我想請國安會繼續再加強這一部分那第二個問題請教主委就是說當然我們這個攬財專法我是覺得只解決部分的問題那這個 |
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我上一屆我有提案新經濟移民法神經刑罪也把它列為優先法案我覺得新經濟移民法是比較全面的我也跟你請教過好幾次為什麼不把新經濟移民法一個完整的法律配套能夠來推動一方面可以解決人才專法的問題二方面其他的相關產業也會有解決缺工的問題 |
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所以這部分主委您的看法怎麼樣這個我們是有討論過因為現在當時在早年在經濟移民法之後就分開來處理了對於中階勞工的部分勞動部現在有救福法最近他們也在做一些優化 |
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所以就從中階人才到一般勞工到白領就這三個地方是完整的分布就兩個部會合作就可以達到所以你分散到這個不同部會去主政就沒有一個統合機關那你的績效考核也沒有辦法去做到位所以我當初為什麼主張要新基民嘛就是由國發會來做統籌 |
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來做這個相關的這個進度或者是這個執行狀況的考核那現在分散到各部會各部會執行狀況也沒有很完整也沒有很一致所以未來有沒有可能再繼續推動新基金運法 |
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這件事是我們這個當然要看後面的滾動式的調整所以這個事情是還是在開放的態度中但是回過來講現在我們原來的想法是說這樣速度很快因為我們負責白領的部分然後勞動部負責藍領跟灰領的部分 |
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阻擇清楚那大家動作就可以減少一層溝通與協調避免在跨部會協調中的力道不足但是您所提的部分我們現在是我們持開放意見來看這件事不同的部會負責不同的業務它分散不同委員會如果集中在新進民法就是在國會主管國會應該是從宏觀的角度去看這個國際移工或者勞動力缺乏的問題 |
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而不是由各部會來我想這個部分再找時間再討論其實除了除了主委之外其他其他請回那是不是我請勞動部勞動部代表來勞動部這個 |
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缺工的問題我覺得百工百業都面對的缺工有時候是一個勞動力不足是一個國家安全的問題所以這部分特別是傳統製造業傳統製造業就是3K的部分中南部都是傳統製造業 |
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這個真的是找不到這個勞動力年輕人平時的想法我不要去那種相對比較不好的工作環境比較辛苦的工作環境他選擇比較薪水低但是工作環境比較好選擇服務業所以第一個低薪問題沒辦法解決第二個勞動力傳統產業的勞動力永遠是缺乏所以這個製造業這個 |
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百工百業都是缺工所以這種情況之下當然會影響到這個傳送產業競爭力有一個規定就是說3K5級表那是幾年前十幾年前制定3K5級表所以有分5級的部分就按照不同產業類別它有移工合配的比例那我也曾經 |
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跟行政院長說明過這部分是不是有檢討的必要比如說行業的類別可以可以升級或者是可以不像說從B級到A級或者是全部這五級的比例足以增加比如說Aplus我們從35到40 |
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A從25到30這個比例可以去調整可以去計算這個不要影響到國內的勞動力市場所以這個部分我想我也跟很多產業都有討論過他們都希望說能夠在整個3K五級表這部分可以做一些調整從國安會角度或者勞動部的立場各位的看法呢這個主委 |
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就我們的看法能夠讓台灣的勞動率能夠充足是很重要的事情那這個其實我們也一直有在溝通勞動部我想勞動部也有一些作為好 勞動部的看法呢 |
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是 謝謝委員那目前製造業已經有3K5集市再加一個附加就安定費可以提高比例的制度那我想這個制度也實施一段期間我們會再跟經濟部跟國發會我們會持續的再來檢討說是不是有一些地方可以再加一段附加是解決部分的問題的你要全面解決你所說的所有傳統製造業的問題你就是從比例上去做增加 |
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這個可以精算 沒有你增加1% 2%會對國內勞動力市場形成什麼影響對移工增加會多少數量能不能解決這個勞動力缺乏的問題我覺得這個應該及時去啟動檢討這個3K5機制 |
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谢谢委员的建议,那我们会再跟经济部来整体的来思考,就包括本国劳工也要照顾,那在合备比例上面是不是也可以做一些检讨?好,谢谢因为我时间也到了,大家辛苦了,谢谢,谢谢周委。好,谢谢委员。好,谢谢,谢谢邱志伟委员。 |