| IVOD_ID |
162661 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162661 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T13:30:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T13:41:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552ae126d5fc177d7cff242af1fd96f582309be1ababaaa47466e19b09f8f2dd8cbd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:30:25 - 13:41:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長就「營造友善職場育兒環境，落實照顧不離職政策規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 主席請一下洪部長好 再請部長邀委員好部長好欸 確實是這樣子齁 剛剛蘇信泉委員在講我 |
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因為我家也有外籍的家庭看護工就是說最給來這件事情還真的是外籍看護工假如在雇主的家裡面生育、生產、生病其實都是雇主的責務責任都會落在雇主這邊 |
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這個方向我們是支持的,可是對於受看護的家庭,其實大家都不像蘇英前、趙偉的安太醫院,人力很夠。 |
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那家庭看護工是這樣子,原本我家裡就需要一個人來照顧一個老人,或者是必須要受照顧者。等到家庭看護工也生病,或者是生產的時候,我同時要有兩個人力來補充這個缺口。 |
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這個很多制度的設計總是沒有辦法應付所有的變化所以我就剛剛聽到很高興趙偉率先講了在醫院裡面他臉醉了來躲一躲這會算是很基於人道精神確實因為他理想背景部長我來 |
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問一下根據行政院主席總署2021年的調查勞工因為照顧65歲以上的家屬離職的人數大概2010年大概有將近1500人已經超過要照顧未滿12歲子女的離職人數 |
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也就是說高齡化社會可能高齡化加上少子化所以這個數據可能沒有錯那勞工為了要長期照顧然後離職返家不僅讓家庭少了一份經濟來源 |
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對於離職的勞工來講他的退休保障也會減少,年資會中斷嘛那雇主呢也會減少一個熟練然後 |
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就是在公司的運作上比較選手的員工就是等於各方面來看都是一件不利的事情啦對公司員工跟國家來看都是不利的那根據勞動部2024年雇用管理局 |
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工作場所就業平均概況的調查報告指出勞工最近一年有照顧家人需求的比例是28%而最近一年曾經申請家庭照顧假的女性的受僱者只有5.8%男性只有2.4% |
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有照顧需求跟申請家庭照顧價兩者的落差部長覺得原因是什麼 |
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家庭照顧價第一個確實有幾個原因第一個當然有些是資產文化的原因那第二個也有一個原因的確是因為家庭照顧價目前是沒有薪資的所以對於員工來說勞工來說他其實對於去申請比較沒有薪資的這個家庭照顧價他的誘因會比較低沒有薪資啊而且他並入市價來計算 |
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所以可能反而有的時候就是直接用市價來請了啦我的看法是這樣子有可能那家庭照顧價併入就是無薪嘛然後併入市價來看那剛剛講的那一份報告呢也講說假如說未來法令有新增 |
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沒有不擠薪也沒有津貼補助的長期照顧安排假這個跟剛才的照顧假不一樣照顧假大概就是家裡的人發生重大的一支病啦或是接種疫苗 |
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預防接種等等因素這個是假是單日的我現在講的是長時間的所以說也是你們的調查報告裡面假如說有長照安排假或是長照留職停薪勞工會申請的比例高於75% |
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這個是你們的報告的書子顯示說縱使我國長照制度設計把長照安排價 |
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等等設計為無薪或者沒有補助勞工還是有申請長照假的意願代表有需求那我們邁入超高齡社會以後啊對於長者 |
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長者照顧的需求會一直增加我們勞動部這邊有沒有要參考日本建立的介護休業制度就是可以請93天假或者是國內民團倡議的長照安排假勞動部的看法是怎麼樣 |
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跟我們說明喔其實針對因為我們今天討論比較多是顧小那我們現在在講的是顧老的部分那顧老部分確實現在會有一個整體的是這個衛福部現在也在研擬所謂的長照3.0 |
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希望能夠針對僱老的部分跟我們的整體的照顧制度尤其是長照照顧的僱老的部分再做一個整體的規劃所以我們目前會先針對僱小的部分先來做處理那當然僱老的部分我們會來看衛福部這邊的長照3.0的規劃他們整個這個政策的規劃的架構來需求 |
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我們當然願意跟衛福部一起來做這個事情的討論但是這部分會來自因為顧老要不要有假要不要有留庭要不要有什麼等等的這個概念或者他的概念要限縮還是擴大這裡面會來自於我們整個照顧政策的需求 |
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對 所以我們其實跟衛福部針對這部分我們有交換意見過可是現在會先看衛福部整體的照顧政策除了長照制度的配合以外其實勞動部這邊要思考的還有勞資雙方怎麼去達到一個平衡 |
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跟文說明其實這個政策邏輯應該是會是從兩位服務這邊的長照政策他的需求他必須開始他整體的需求是如何這個需求上面有沒有需要職場上面的這些架或者是留庭的制度去協助銜接這裡面可能我們其實從勞動部角度我們是在是配合需求端再去做相關的研理就像顧曉 |
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我們是先看到有需求我們才來做規劃配合 |
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因為部長這樣子講我大概知道啦不過我覺得勞動部的政策擬定除了衛福部的長照政策以外你們還是必須要達到勞資雙方到底怎樣取得一個平衡點部長我問最後一個問題 |
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就是說日本為了減輕在職的育兒壓力,並且用彈性制度強制義務化為核心,避免因為育兒導致離職。 |
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強化制度和職場友善提升實際使用透過修法大概從今年10月起他們會要求所有的企業含中小企業 |
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從底下五項 就是在家工作 調整上下班時間 縮短工時每年至少十天的一日有三假以及企業提供托育措施他們就是從十月起會要求所有的企業從這五項裡面 |
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最少要實施兩項那我們我們勞動部覺得這個這樣子的政策值不值得我們會不會會不會參考然後推行我想我們我們其實都願意來參考各國的制度甚至也不只是日本但是他就就 |
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這五項裡面它其實也包括了育嬰留庭 家庭照顧 其實我們也有現在是說強制的五選二就是強制性的我們的育嬰留庭跟家庭照顧現在在法律上的概念其實也是強制的就是說怎麼減輕在職者的育兒壓力 |
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其實算是國家一個很重要的政策因為育兒的環境越不友善少子化的趨勢就會越嚴重還有一些問題今天因為時間的關係我下一次再跟部長做探討謝謝部長 謝謝主席 |
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好謝謝謝謝楊耀忍謝謝部長那本日會議巡打全部結束委員林德甫 |