| IVOD_ID |
162638 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162638 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T12:10:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T12:18:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552a96c3fac9fac1c829435a35cf529d0c6ca48dd392130a6736239467a7c0b2b2005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:10:23 - 12:18:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男就「推動AI之產業發展政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 一樣邀請我們黃部長請部長 |
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部長好 不好意思喔 那就跟您繼續這個延伸請教這個憑證的問題啦那最起碼我們是中華電信的客戶嘛 對不對我們來跟他買服務 那他目前他因為他被撤銷這個資格 他沒有辦法繼續來提供我們的服務那他可能會有一些違約的情況對 那我們 我有看到新聞說我們會跟中華電信來做球場嘛 |
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我想確認一下我們今年度跟中華電信的合約的金額是多少那我們在合約裡面有沒有做明確的規範我們會給他做多少金額的求償我們請肅政司王市長做報告 |
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報告委員我們這個今年跟他的案子裡面他其實這個功能是包括在一個大的一個案子裡面那裡面的項目這一項大概是三百到五百萬之間那我們裡面有包括對於廠商的SLA的這個部分那裡面有一項他有這個違反那這個部分的話我們已經會跟他求償總契約是三百到五百嘛那除了我們我們除了不會支付這個服務技術費用之外我們會跟他求償那你求償合約裡面有寫什麼求償嗎還是 |
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另外談 合約裡面我們是用祭典的方式就是他的這一項是他沒有在Balila上面他有做這樣子的一個好的回應被人家發現說他裡面有些瑕疵 這個部分我們是祭的那你可不可以簡單說我們會跟中華電信求償多少金額這個部分我們後面會再去看因為這個案子還沒有到結束所以我們會看他實際最後是不是持續的會有 |
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那很明確的剛剛部長說你要重新申請一個發展的一個這個資格的話最起碼是六年到抱歉最起碼是六到九個月嘛那最起碼是今年都沒有辦法了嘛那所以你應該可以很輕易的確認今年他是沒有辦法完成我們的合約嘛 |
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所以你到現在還沒有辦法算出來我們要跟中華電信球場羅上這個部分的話因為他的在合約期間之內他的憑證是可以用的他現在是重點換證嘛第一個換證的部分他沒有後續前面的服務履約了我們當然給他錢嘛後面沒辦法履約了不給付之外我們也會跟他做球場嘛 |
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對,但是在那段時間,我們這個月已經結束了但是我們在約之前,他在我們換證的時候,我們雙憑證的那個憑證有一個憑證,他們是無償的這個賠償的無償賠償?對對對,就是他會提供那個憑證 |
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所以他會在 他是可能在七月底截止嘛他會幫忙說可能在八月以後要換約的證要換金的證 他全部都會幫我們在他還能夠發證的期間全部發完所以說 |
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他會幫我們履約但是他有相關的可能可能不符合我們服務當初契約的東西我們還是會跟他求償但求償多少你現在沒統計出來現在那邊有一個實際的一個最精確的一個數字好那所以說服務還是會提供是好 |
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那因為我們今年初就大概知道這個問題了嘛對不對所以說你們導入了雙憑證的一個制度那我們雙憑證就要去跟另外一間廠商簽服務契約嘛那另外因為這個事件衍生出來的費用你們花了多少錢 |
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跟委員報告 其實雙憑證這件事情並不是因為這件事件我們才開始規劃你們這件事老實這樣講你們說你們今年三月的時候發現了所以你們要趕快因應中華電信沒有辦法發憑證所以你們要找另外一家廠商來做服務我們在去年就已經規劃要做雙憑證因為這個在網站這個憑證是比較重要的 |
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本來的規劃是在今年底到明年要去實行但是因為這個事件所以我們把時程提前所以本來就我在要做這件事情並不是說額外再去另外一個緊急的經費來所以往後每一年都會用雙憑證的一個制度去做對對對 |
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那對於另外一家廠商的採購你們有沒有因為時程的提前來可能增加服務的人家的要求增加服務的費用等等因為本來就已經在規劃在今年底要完成所以我們經費本來就已經有編載那邊了好那我如果說對方的廠商有沒有因為契約的變更來要求這個溢價之類的倒是沒有沒有嘛那就是照原本的合約去做變更去走這樣子 |
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好那後續來跟這個中華電信做可能違約補償的部分那你要麻煩我們出發部後續來做確定之後那也跟教育會來做一個回報好不好好謝謝那部長那繼續跟您請教這個今天主題是一個AI那AI講求就是算力算力的話就是要用電力來支撐 |
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那我們有沒有統計我們未來國家因應發展AI會需要產生多大的電力需求你們有沒有分年度的去做一個階段性的檢討明年後年或大後年AI的產業需要多少的電力資源 |
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算力的部分因為剛剛講就是說這個目前因為我們有一個新的要推動是AI十大建設那裡面有些算力的規劃那這個東西還沒有確定那規劃出來以後那個這部算力主要是經濟部會提供資料所以這部但電這種東西不是說我們今天要就要嗎對不對所以你們到現在還沒有跟經濟部去明確的跟他說我們為了發展AI我們需要多少電 |
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還沒有還沒有到那麼細不過就說算力的那個我們現在是講說以前叫因為目前不論是國際上還是我們台灣我們的中澳民國國民對於台電能不能穩定供電的這件事情大家有很多的討論有很多人有很多的懷疑 |
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包括美國為了因應這個AI算力的電力的需求他們也開始在盤點了他們美國國內的電力需要多少然後往後幾年要增加哪一些電廠現在都已經在做了結果我們現在 |
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我們連盤點需要多少電力都還沒有這個階段都還沒有完成我們的台電也完全不知道我們未來要多少的電力才能滿足我們的AI需求算力的規劃現在是在經濟部所以經濟部當然同時會考慮電力所以這部應該是他們會有更多資料我們現在手上沒有 |
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算力你說經濟部統計不是你這邊在統計因為我們剛剛講AI實在建設裡面有一個叫算力的建制算力建制目前這個主管機關是經濟部好吧 我不管你們怎麼分工啦那我會認為說這是很明確的的剛需它是AI發展的剛需除了算力之外就是電力 缺一不可嘛那我們的電力不是說今天要 明天就有它都是需要 尤其現在台灣 |
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撇開政治的問題要增加電廠什麼東西都是很困難的一件事情那我們的需求儘早來提出來然後給經濟部給台電公司告訴他未來幾年我們的成長幅度有多大他才能夠儘早去溝通甚至是規劃然後跟國民溝通相關的必要性 |
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好不好 希望部長這邊事情 我們要再加強啦好不好 加快相關的不是只提供願景 而是在基礎建設的部分也要跨部會的來溝通來提早提出需求 請他們來協助 |