| IVOD_ID |
162636 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162636 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T11:51:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T11:58:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552ad153ccb33e9ea4ec435a35cf529d0c6ca48dd392130a673606cf9b1052b938545ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:51:44 - 11:58:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男就「推動AI之產業發展政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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請那個部長 訴法部部長請部長 |
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部長你這邊有提到就是說發展AI政府是要把環境弄好主要是要靠民間的力量那這邊其中有一個提到是算力支持那是針對新創團隊要免費的提供他們GPU算力資源我想先問一下這個部分到底細節是什麼你是先跟三大雲就是像這個Google Amazon他們去先取得算力還提供給他們還是只是給錢而已 |
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我們是自己剪那個細節我請那個蘇貞蘇貞說明跟委員報告我們現在買了40片的GPU因為新創或中小企業比較缺乏資金那AI又是未來的一個趨勢所以我們提供新創跟中小企業一些免費的算力你不要重複我的問題我的問題是說你現在提供算力是指說去跟三大雲沒有 是我們自己購買的自己購買的是不是自己購買的那你怎麼分配 |
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這有申請然後有專業的委員來審查怎麼審查一個新創公司可以取得多少算力 |
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都是固定譬如是六個禮拜裡面有多少時間可以使用六個禮拜以內多少時間 對那超過咧 就沒辦法對 那這個就為德不足啦我跟蘇化衛星提醒一下GPU的這個資源現在非常稀缺啦現在先不要先不管說是新創團隊啦包括一些那種大的比較大型的公司他們也許暫時可以跟三大雲取得GPU的資源可是對未來也報一個很大的問號 |
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那觸發部你現在的做法是你取得以後有一個限制嘛要經過審核嘛所以很多新創公司可能在這個部分還是沒辦法得到滿足啦所以如果說要解決新創公司的算力的問題或者是一般的不是新創也許是比較成熟公司但是他因為AI發展的比較厲害所以他可能也是需要算力所以其實應該要一個比較長遠的做法是政府有沒有可能 |
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建構相關的基礎建設就是成立那個算力中心報告員那個分兩塊本來我們今年是要再買70片那是因為預算的關係就因為被刪了所以就沒買你又買的都不夠啦我現在的問題是說有沒有可能是建構建構那個自己建構一個預算中心現在我們有我們將來可能不久之後會提到AI十大建設那裡面就有算力的大概什麼時候會建制好 |
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那個在十大建設應該在六月六月會提到院不是啊六月提到院什麼時候會建因為產業不關心你什麼時候提到院產業是關心什麼時候有足夠的算力可以使用所以假設你現在要提這個計畫大概什麼時候可以有這個預算中心那個提到院的下一步就是會有預算預算需要立法院不然不要一直講這些細節好不好我現在問的是時程啊你什麼時候可以完成產業關心什麼時候會有的用不關心你什麼時候提什麼時候對 |
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大概什麼時候所以115年預算通過如果預算通過就會開始建制什麼時候不要繞圈圈我們現在時間很有限115年開始建制什麼時候會完成就是四年的計畫四年的計畫所以是119年可以完成就是整個建制完成應該是119年 |
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所以因此在119年之前其實台灣會面臨到一個嚴重的算力的稀缺問題我剛剛講的嘛比較成熟公司跟三大雲台也會有遇到一定的困難新創公司的要靠你的分配而且有一定的限制所以這一塊我覺得現在速發部提供的支持是不夠的啦我希望說可以提出更多的像你們講的啊政府要提供好的環境我再問一個我覺得不太夠啦要提出來不要一直扯預算啦 |
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你是在吵架的嗎?我在跟你討論產業你故意在那邊講一些政治語言我在跟你討論產業我在反映產業的心聲你一直在跟他講一些政治的語言政府官不要這樣子啦今天大家都是就事論事啦都是在就事論事 |
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預算大家都支持好不好119年之前這段時間四五年產業可能會面臨到算力的積缺希望你重視這件事情不要找一堆理由不想做好不好那就面對問題回答就好了扯中扯西幹嘛還有一個你說行銷媒合說要成立AI的產業媒合會 |
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那這部分如果說只是做一個展示告訴大家說我有什麼產品什麼產品你可以來用其實這沒有誘因啦我不知道說政府現在有沒有提供一些獎勵措施告訴企業說如果你導入AI的一些應用的話可以有什麼獎勵有沒有有沒有這方面的方案行銷部也是請那個 |
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這個跟委員報告那個補助歸補助那行銷的媒合歸行銷的媒合因為一家那個有實力而且健康的公司最需要的其實不是政府的補助而是大量而穩定的訂單那我們辦這些我不是說補助啦我是說媒合會啦我現在在說媒合會 |
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對啊我不是說補助欸我是說你辦那個產業媒合會除了展售之外有沒有一些獎勵讓那個企業導入我問的問題這個我不是在講補助那個導入的話那個看要看說需求方是誰如果需求方譬如說我們現在在做的 |
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那個HIS產業或者是那個長照日照的這個機構那這個獎勵會是來自於衛福部那有些那個終端的客戶是來自於經濟部所主管的那個產業那這些經濟部那邊也會有相關的一些那個獎勵就是獎勵這些這個企業端這個需求端他們購買我們這些利用AI所製作出來的那個數位的產品這個是我們都是有的 |
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我們過去有那個雲市級的program就是在提供然後提供一些點數補助但是這個program一樣被canned掉了所以 |
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這個部長你今天不是讓你來抱怨我們在討論事情啦好不好我們在討論事情好不好那另外就是你說要投資100億那個AI新創團隊但是我問過很多AI新創團隊都不曉得這個東西耶你們有在宣傳嗎我們有有那個因為我們但是我問過真的很多人不知道喔所以你覺得你有做可是很多人不知道我就把那個民間的我知道我們剛剛選完搭配投資人那在下一步就搭配投資人就是會去增建增建以後我們就會開始補助 |
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這應該是在近期 可能要加強宣導啦 |