| IVOD_ID |
162631 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162631 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T11:56:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T12:19:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:22:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552a227844a3d9227d68086ae71f013336e0a48dd392130a67363fbee1faf659eafd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:56:55 - 12:19:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、衛生福利部部長、教育部部長、法務部矯正署署長、內政部警政署署長、勞動部、法務部廉政署率所屬相關單位列席就「青少年刑案嫌疑人於2024年創歷年新高，達4.7萬餘人次，現行少年輔導、矯正效能，包括校園霸凌處理機制、高關懷學生、安置輔導、保護管束、感化教育、職能訓練、更生系統、中介轉銜機制、追蹤輔導、逆境社工等，及《少年事件處理法》『行政輔導先行』施行迄今近兩年，相關制度之檢討與策進」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【6月16日及18日兩天一次會】） |
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請法務部正部長還有司法院王滬密 |
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好 複密委員 午安午安 我先問鄭部長啦齁剛才你叫王宏威 王偉宏在爭執這個偵辦的事情我 我追問過你好幾次了當初中選會移送檢調辦的國民黨16件 民進黨15件啊民進黨現在到底國民黨這16件都大搜搜大搜押啊民進黨現在到底涉及這5件 15件辦了幾件 |
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這個中選會那個移送的這部分那是個體檢署就依法偵辦中啦可是都沒聽證喔你這樣賣肉炒起來我們會說你雙標啊你不清楚我法務部我法務部長只能管政策管法案管業務的推動至於那個個案的偵辦我是沒辦法去做介入的那 |
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那這部份我想我要尊重那個檢察機關他那個偵查計畫策略的問題那這部份我們也不要去干涉維護給檢察機關不定不定這不是個案吧15個案你到現在你到底辦幾個我們是要辦兩件事 辦兩件事是不是國民黨這邊一個天一個地你不覺得這個落差太大這個沒有雙標沒有讓人家覺得碰到民進黨就轉彎嗎 |
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你對人民要有個交代吧你是大家長 你應該去查一下你上次也在問你出了15個案到底是怎樣16個案 雷利風行搜索完人都押起來了這個是不是 葛委員可以給一個純正的報告我想你我都不願意去干涉兩個案件是怎麼進行 怎麼去弄嘛這不是干涉啊 保定你不覺得這個落差太大一般的人品對這個會不會覺得是雙標跟碰到明星很久的轉彎什麼叫雙標 這個我不贊同啦反正就是依照證據來扳他你落差太大了 你都要去了解一下你的司法 你看 |
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為什麼民調裡面來看一下那個民調換民調來看民調為什麼會出現政治利益政府有沒有選擇性辦案將近60%政治利益介入檢調辦案57.9%政治利益介入司法案件57.6%人民就是因為你們這樣的辦案方式嘛你要去搶救司法讓人民有信心啊好來 |
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我現在 人民現在都眼睜睜看你國民黨辦成這樣子民進黨這15個案你到底要怎麼辦要不要雙標 不要民進黨就轉彎來 我問你一個施改會啊施改會 來我們回到第一章施改會曾經列立風險啊去追過這個惡檢追緝惡檢伯蒂林當初應該不是被追緝的惡檢嘛 對不對沒有在裡面 對不對沒有被檢討 沒有被追緝嘛 對不對我不談我個人的事啦 |
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不談個人的事問題是你是大家長你有沒有包庇或者縱容二檢我不曉得這個我就是這個檢察機關在執行依法執行職務那整個一個我不曉得 |
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韋寧說的二檢的定義是什麼二檢喔 有啦有啦但是我會嚴格要求檢察官要依照檢察官倫理守則依法律的程序以執權來依法偵辦案件嚴重違反了檢察官的倫理啊 |
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指證歷歷呢 你還在問 來 看看咧你看這三位都是民進黨司改會大將 後來做民進黨這個大官游伯祥 現在他就是大官顧立雄 當了國安會秘書長之後現在還是國防部長喔林鋒正黨產會的主委 他們都指證歷歷啊游伯祥說什麼這個二檢啊 亂錢亂數他說起訴人家死罪 都沒有證據 |
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結果還堅持上訴到底顧立雄說什麼明明是沒有偷東西沒有東西被偷你還用起訴他竊盜罪林鳳正怎麼說他說叫招不到就起訴了啊法律都已經改了檢察官竟然還不知道法盲無知人家指證利利嘛 |
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那現在就是為什麼司法的這個滿意度這麼低有沒有去檢討有沒有去改革這個所以我剛才問你還有多少的這個惡檢你還說你不曉得定義這個就是清楚的定義啊報告這段時間為什麼有那麼多人在控訴你們典檢的檢察官不正的這個詢問這不用查嗎 |
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我這一段要正式的呈現什麼叫不正的一個詢問現在看起來顧立雄跟游伯祥跟林鋒正可以做成這樣可以用那個講我不要再提他這個所以對這整個我們檢查機關跟司法警察機關有錄音錄影資料保管辦法各級檢查機關詢問時的錄音得隨時抽查 |
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那這部分是我們隨時抽出來列入業務檢查這個項目所以你們做了要錄影錄音嘛結果你被人家質疑是有問題的光碟你連播放都不敢播放你的北檢到底出了什麼樣的問題來我們先看一下羅秉成怎麼說來來那個你看講說那個什麼不敢播放那是真的嗎我說的是在停柏定你在停上 |
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在柯文哲的庭上我們清清楚楚我們被捕的人說已經看過看見過光底他們看過光底之後發現邵秀佩被不當信問你們的林靜妍欸直接對著邵秀佩講你說以為什麼連政署那你去去這個連政署那一套就可以過關你在呼嚨我你給我試看看我沒有在呼嚨你這種問這種問法是不是像流氓我沒有在呼嚨你齁是不是像流氓在問案這不是一個不正新聞嗎這個你沒有在前面這之前說什麼檢察官像流氓齁沒有這回事啦齁 |
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你剛剛講的這個論法不像流氓嗎那你要自清你就要讓大家看這個你剛剛講的否定你剛剛不是說你都有錄影跟錄音那為什麼不敢讓人家看你們是做賊心機有問題嗎你可以請求個案評鑑嘛我們有做走制度嘛 |
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評鑑是一個嘛 第二個就公開 對不對在庭上我們要求公開 為什麼你如果做得正 你的信問沒有問題我跟你講喔 委員 做任何事情就要依法律啦不管在公佈的私本就要依法律啦都是要法尊啦 所以要走程序啦不是說沒有法律的依據就來這邊直接就這樣 像你委員講的那種方式嘛 |
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你說訊問的時候 檢官訊問的時候要錄音錄影嘛有錄音錄影嘛對不對 第二天被出現了我們的辯護人看了這個光碟覺得有問題 要求要在庭上公開這有什麼不對你們檢察官不知情在審理中在審理中可不可以公開這是法院的職權這法院的職權法官自會定奪 自會決定要不要在裡面公開的看驗這些偵訊的內容你們的檢察官可以在庭上 |
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不只沒有自清欸還阻擋這個你自己錄音錄影的光碟要公開而且還提那個最離譜的否定你們提那個最離譜的否定你們的檢察官提那個最離譜的他說基於訴訟經濟 |
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所以可以不要公開嗎所以那個氣到柯文哲說你把他關了九個多月了你讓人起供你現在連一個真信的光碟正大光明沒問題為什麼不敢不敢公開這是審理所的個案這個可不可以公開是不是公開法官自然會決定你們的檢察官對自己的清白一點信心都沒有你是不認真信任怕什麼我今天台號捍衛我們檢察官的清白 |
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你要捍衛你要公開啊 你怎麼去捍衛你這不是做賊心虛嗎 意外迷章嗎公開審判不就是法院就是我們病友嗎你剛才說你們有錄音跟錄影 結果你竟然不公開這怎麼有辦法自清呢這個是法院的直接決定喔你跟現在講的不是法官 你講的是監察官你們監察官不敢公開 還講說什麼推送什麼訴訟經濟 |
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如果法官有接受檢察官的訴訟資料指向他決定不公開的話那就是支持檢察官嘛那如果說要公開我們也尊重法院的決定嘛所以我們不要去干涉法院的決定我們有建議的權我們建議說不要公開沒有干涉法院法官會最後才定要不要勘驗嘛我會說你檢察官到底出什麼事 |
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沒有沒有啦 你講太多了啦你沒有不正訊問不正 你如果沒有不正訊問你到底在怕什麼 你是作賊心虛嗎來來好好好要公開新聞光底來 那我們就講通案來羅秉成怎麼說羅秉成當過政務委員也坐過民進黨行政院的發言人他要說什麼 |
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如果公開真性光碟的目的是在揭發執法人員的濫權行為例如說有檢察官當庭用三字經濟辱罵當事人這個真性光碟公開播放他說基於意志權利的濫用這是一個公義的目的 |
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禁止將這個見不得人的真性光碟公開到底是在保護個人的隱私檢查還是在掩護違法濫權的公務員檢察官這個不就是這次北檢犯柯文哲案裡面的一個最好的寫照嗎你不要用這個用不當的原因我再求證不要用不當的原因那個事實是羅秉成講的一個非常好羅政委他個人的意見 |
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每個人的看法都不一樣當了民進黨大官當然是可以討論嘛但是我說實在的你不要拿這些來用在個案的這個自然現在審理所有個案法院自然就會決定要不要公開所以我現在在跟你討論 |
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真信光迭要不要公開這個事情來 聽聽大法官 尤柏祥跟他說尤柏祥跟他說尤柏祥跟他說尤柏祥跟他說尤柏祥跟他說尤柏祥跟他說尤柏祥跟他說尤柏祥跟他說尤柏祥跟他說尤柏祥跟他說 |
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國家跟受信者之間的實力比例是絕對的懸殊程度你檢測官家這邊的掃秀費還有所有的這個被告人家新聞的過程這個過程裡面是絕對懸殊的這個程度針對這種新聞事宗所發生的不法這個情勢公眾本來就有知的權利沒有人希望真信室或者偵查庭變成弱肉強食的侏羅紀公園 |
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真信前程本來就像你說的有錄影有錄音本來就必要時候要跟公眾播放正是為了使真信的實務得以從侏羅紀進化吧人當成是人還有林峰正 林峰正剛剛講 |
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直接召開記者會喔 直接播放 台北地檢署那時候檢察官林冠佑檢察官 承辦的100年 曾志5511號偵查挺實話的這個錄音檔這個追緝 當場追緝這個二檢 |
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林鋒正跟他講 法務部應該要正式不釋任法官跟檢察官這個問題拿出滿足人民期待的檢察官評鑑制度讓不肖的檢察官得以被制度淘汰改善我們司法的這個品質 |
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委員那個2012年齁跟現在或今後司改國是會他寫2025年很多的制度都建立了啦包括個案評鑑法官法官都建立了啦有些制度你不要去談那個歷史啦所以我答應一位一位北檢我北檢進去旁聽我越聽心內經啦越怕你們現在的檢察官我知道多數的檢察官是好的可是在我聽了幾個庭你們現在這個檢察官的素質真的有比當初林鋒正跟羅秉貞改革那些二檢來得好嗎 |
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這個民調我剛剛已經給你看一次了以前的司法是被信任的多數的司法 多數的法官 多數的檢察官是被信任的最近不只二十五萬人上街二十五萬人上街去抗議司法迫害民調這麼清楚 |
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結果都將近六成的人認為政治已經介入到檢調了你不好去改革你還連最基本的政治介入連最基本的我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式的介入啦我們是反對任何形式 |
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包括你我啦講的是你們依法 依法受的錄影被質疑的時候要不要公開的問題你們之前有那麼多司改會的人員那麼多民進黨大官要求要做改革你為什麼不改呢法定你到底站的是改革跟反改革那一邊站的是二檢那一邊還是在掩護二檢你有問題要解決問題啊那我會想說如果說真的有二檢就像你說訂二檢你就請求個案評鑑嘛 |
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各案評鑑的同時剛剛那些良藥苦口你到底要不要去現在制度都建立了怎麼發生這麼多現在人民這麼多質疑呢你建立了什麼制度你搞不好要破壞制度我們守程序守法律嘛就依法嘛好來換那個抱歉那個主席方便再給我三分鐘好不好來請後面要解決人民對司法的沒有信心喪失信心 |
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讓你們依法錄音跟錄影的光碟讓人民可以檢視 公開這是一鐵良藥這是挽救你們的聲望 養救你的形象另外一鐵藥也很重要啊法庭直播這幾天有一個非常關鍵的人出來講話媽媽嘴的受害人媽媽嘴的老闆 李炳宏 |
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他說 董初如果有法庭直播那時候法庭就不會變成黑箱了那時候是媒體審判北檢把消息漏給了媒體連高永成監察委員後來做調查都發現這個案子有偵查不公開媒體審判的這個事情現在媽媽嘴的這個老闆 |
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出來喊冤他說應該要有法庭直播他說當初身為一個被告我真的沒有任何武器可以對抗他開庭的時候啊 |
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我才知道我真正要被羈押的理由是什麼這是第一類 第二類他說明明當庭的時候檢察官提出來的證據一一都被反駁被打臉了可是因為沒有公開外界到現在很多都還不知道啊你看一個人受到冤屈因為沒有公開到現在他都在喊冤第三個更離譜的 |
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他後來被釋放了因為檢察官說他案發的時候有他的車子他後來說車子印證不是他的他被當庭釋放結果檢察官出來怎麼講檢察官說我對不起死者沒有把他押起來法官都給他清白了檢察官還倒打他一把 |
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所以他說對於檢察官檢察官面對媒體的表演事實上他根本是沒辦法對抗所以像試過那麼多年他多大的冤屈他還出來喊冤第二個你們一直在講說會不會有華眾其寵我給大家看一下美國最高法院的法官啊都公開出來講明尼斯達州最高法院的法官他怎麼說 |
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他沒有看到任何跟直播有的時候或者是法庭公開的時候有滑頌起損的這個例子另外喬治亞州的一個法官Steven一直在講在他那個州啊從有直播開始從來沒有出現法官或者律師的不當行為 |
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鄭文榮啊 前幾天在這個庭鄭文榮是綠色的耶挺扁的耶他講什麼他說現在很多人反對法庭直播是什麼就是因為是黃國昌提出來就變成問題了還有為什麼20個法律團體出來聲明他說現在法律人的一些團體跟法律台灣的法律是不是跟社會已經脫節了我最後要講的是負面 |
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無私謠無造謠在這個地方說只有中國大陸北韓這種專制的國家才有直播結果一堆民眾每一個每個幫忙找你看這東西我們國家比印度比印尼比南非還落後嗎全球七大洲除了南極之外六大洲都有都有法庭直播所以你們為什麼要擋呢而且是2017年 |
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做了結論啊能不能跟上一個時代不要再在反改革那一面特別是我剛剛講的人民對司法的信任度越來越低真信的光碟要公開第二個法庭直播趕快推動你講 |
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委員我非常不能夠同意說那個法庭直播就是一個先進我覺得這個完全不是一個價值的一個就是那個二分法那就是說你要引用其他國家的話我們應該去全面去看如果你如果按你這樣標準的話我們來問說那台灣有沒有那個實施法庭直播我們憲法法庭也有啊那但是不能從這個地方我們就去說那我們的事實審要開放 |
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就像大家去談美國可是美國的聯邦層級的各級法院也通通都不允許了那你在這邊你要談那個英國英國他們也只有開放那個上訴審啊那即使說是那個你要再講事實的話你要再講更精緻那個講的話他們那個皇家那個刑事法院也只有在 |
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法官對大家說明說我這個量刑理由所以也只能到這個地方但是事實審這完全都不行的啊那所以我覺得就是說你要引用其他國家我們一定要更精緻的就是說去談說他們允許的條件那當然就是每個人都可以有每個人的那個意見跟他的那個表達那個就是你剛引用的那個呂秉紅他的意見我們尊重 |
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但是一個人這樣子的意見就要立刻變成是我們國家的一個那個制度嗎?李炳宏甚至他只有進入偵查他完全沒有被起訴他個人完全沒有經歷過審理中那引他的話來主張說我們是審邀法庭直播我覺得這個論證對不對?媽媽嘴的李炳宏有非常大的代表性他是中華民國 |
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被檢察官偵查不公開 洩漏秘密而且造成媒體公審我以前在做 這是電視台啊有多少的媒體每天晚上都在報導他的新聞做他這個節目 他今天是被定罪的喔 |
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那時候他已經社會死亡耶他當然有潛力出來講這個事情啊這是一個點 第二點沒有沒有那個 蜂蜜你剛講沒有錯各個國家都有他的不一樣的我現在是跟你講很多的民眾現在都提出來說全世界絕大部分很多國家都已經有了嘛而且台灣民眾黨是非常的理性務實科學的我們用的是2017年 |
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司法國事會議 司改國事會議的結論我們高度的限縮只有重大的公益還有社會矚目的這個案件而且是由法官來決定的喔所以包括從經費沒有像民進黨造謠那麼多而且它是高度的緊縮的只有對社會有重大公益的重大的矚目的案子才有 |
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好不好 我們去落實你不要打臉你不要打臉 蔡英文你不要打臉當初2017年的司法改革啦趕快做 我們繼續找時間再來討論好不好 好不好OK 好 謝謝我以為我不能講囉 |
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我們等一下 那下次我們繼續好不好你發佈保證哪個檢 你不用管這個士林地檢是吧士林地檢 新北 北檢出問題的檢察官你都要處理啦 都要好好去你不要變成是 不是變成共犯在演你也是承辦法官嘛承辦檢察官你們都弄錯了 這一件 |
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不是 這件當 這樣 這樣喔 可是啦 我跟你講 大家不要亂講啦那個案子根本不是這樣 那個案子是前面有一個檢察官辦了出問題之後 我們進去救援就現在社會上面亂講一通所以當初那個 你們接手之前那個檢察官有沒有好好的 這樣真相可以呈現這件跟北檢也無關啦北檢啦 我在問話不普通 怎麼會問北檢 |
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剛剛在談北檢啦柯文哲案子是北檢那剛剛這個案子不是啦沒有啦那個中憲你現在就是當初你是解鎖的現在我們在談前面出的問題嘛OK好啦那兩鐵要法庭直播訊問光底公開這個才是搶救我們的司法最重要兩鐵要好 謝謝那張委員這件我也是算是間接 |