| IVOD_ID |
162622 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162622 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T11:44:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T11:51:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552a6241197c249808d4435a35cf529d0c6c4c29659fdfe1d1e82b28ef56e30c94685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:44:28 - 11:51:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男就「推動AI之產業發展政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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來 部長好 你不用急來 你看看最近有沒有這兩個月有人用吉卜力風格的在傳貼圖有沒有看到 有沒有看過這個呢吉卜力在日本他們的一些著作一些創作人他們抗議說你把這個吉卜力畫風可以不受著作權保護嗎結果日本政府說的確他認為他們的著作權是單純的創意或風格本身不受著作權保護請問部長為什麼日本政府要將AI生成圖獻出他的著作權保護呢 |
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這個委員提這個確實是一個問題這個就是各國的法律因為這個確實在AI的訓練裡面這個他們需要塗料庫嘛對不對他需要更多的塗料庫如果這些AI生成公司都把錢花在取得著作權的這些塗料上面那他們就沒有餘力去買超級電腦運算對不對好那我們來看一下所以呢我們像AI新十大建設有提到AI主權AI |
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速發部說主權AI訓練語料庫對不對所以速發部目前在幫忙打造這樣的一個AI的訓練語料庫嘛對所以你們是不是也認同或者說覺得日本的做法的確有它的必要性我們要發展AI主權AI我們也事實上呢對於這些語料庫的建立訓練語料庫的建立也要國家來投資 |
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對 我們上次蘇發部就是我們那個資料創新司司長就是在負責推動這一塊好 很好 那我們往下看但是相對的我們除了這些之外呢也提到了我們的預告的這個利用發展促進條例當中也得到公務員我們也避免他除非是重大過失我們也不希望他因為要去承辦這個業務而侵犯到包括著作權等其他的這個爭議是不是這樣對 |
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好 但是但是我們要另外一面平衡往下看但是呢關於想下一頁我們的個資保護啊其實呢健保法當中呢個人可以請求停止使用但是我們的條例預告當中呢我們是採取促進個人在的保護措施或機制民眾可以請求停止嗎這個 來這裡說明一下我們在進語料資料庫的時候訓練資料庫的時候 |
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跟委員報告我們在這個促進資料創新利用發展條例裡面的這個前應該是第四條就有規定是說在資料創新的過程當中仍然要符合各自保護所以也要符合爆發健保法的規定對要有各自保護謝謝那部長今天我想我們再說明一下我們國家要發展這個主權AI要生成是AI我們有很多的法令法制度要建立其他國家我們也可以參考往下看但是另外我要談另外一個就是打詐 |
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經常我每次來請教你都跟打造有關目前我們有一個第三方支付的量能登錄制度部長你認為這個量能登記制度還有效嗎那個當然有精進的空間啦不過目前在管理上是有它的效果那有沒有制定出相關的監管法規呢目前只有登錄制度喔監管法規有沒有監管法規來說明一下 |
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我們洗房法向下有好幾個執法所以我們有根據洗房法上面去定對所以你們都是根據洗房法來來做控制但是沒有自己訂立一個監管法規有沒有就是洗房法嘛就用洗房法而已嘛好我們看一下那洗房法什麼問題但是你來看一下第三方之戶有一個公司洗錢50億啊他是大規模的惡性的倒閉但是呢我們我們來看一下監管會裁罰多少 |
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金管會裁罰多少 這個案例金管會裁罰來 我要告訴你我來自財政委員會金管會對於這些裁罰都會在當日後就公佈那現在你看我現在問你也不知道 我也不知道啊到底裁罰了沒有 裁罰多少 知不知道裁罰了 但是裁罰多少30萬30萬 待會我有問到的啦但是有沒有公佈 沒有 |
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有公佈嗎 你們有沒有一個明白的公佈說明辦法讓我們外界社會可以理解到這些涉及到詐騙的 他有被你們裁罰部長 是不是你們要加強這個部分我們有在媒體群組公佈 我的意思是說你們什麼時候公佈 其實是你們的行政裁量但是如果你們定出了一個辦法 民眾就可以知道說我們可以定時的去看你們有沒有依法裁法 是不是這樣子 |
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部長知道意思沒有 我們要比照金管會把你們的重大裁罰要要求一個約束 自我約束定期公告我們要看因為時間的關係另外剛剛說什麼 你們說罰了30萬你們是根據洗房法但是我們來看一下洗錢防治法裡面如果是機構的是50萬到1000萬個人的是5萬到500萬我看你們的等級是把它當作個人在罰不是把它當作機構在罰部長會不會裁罰太輕 |
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三十萬啊洗髮法是機構是五十到一千個人是五到五百看起來你們是用個人的尺度去裁罰請問這個地方洗錢的難道是個個人嗎是不是你們在未來裁罰的時候要考慮一下因為他是屬於第三方支付是屬於金融機構喔他是被認定是屬於金融機構喔 |
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355.379 |
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現在是因為負責人好像被羈押了所以負責人被羈押是一件事情我說你們是用機構的尺度去裁罰還是用個人的尺度去裁罰部長你們未來要把這個區分出來好不好把家強打詐最後一個問題我們說為落地平台提報法律代表請問這個法律代表能負責什麼法律責任 |
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法律代表就是給你一個人頭給你看啊我們就是有要裁罰或者是要那個下架就會經過那他找個人頭他能負什麼法律責任他如果沒有照我們的要求出我們就開始開罰裁罰開罰那個人頭就是那個公司代表 |
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他就是法律代表嘛所以說法律代表的一個承擔能力呢還太弱啦我們再往下看所以最後 最後無廣告業務的平台沒有納入打詐專法現在是有廣告業務的才納入打詐專法嗎目前是那未來呢 未來可不可以把這些無廣告業務的想辦法納進打詐專法來這個要修法嗎要修法 有沒有打算修法 |
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不然我們來推動來 最後的結論所以呢 速發部應該完善第三方支付的業務監管法規 目前沒有違法的重大 應該在官網上依據辦法來公告另外呢 對未落地際未提供廣告服務的平台要阻詐是不是這個阻寫錯了阻止了阻請一個月內提出書面報告好不好好 謝謝 |