| IVOD_ID |
162611 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162611 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T11:15:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T11:33:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552ad2ab11b30a13a2bb242af1fd96f582304c29659fdfe1d1e8243cac83bf874b865ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖偉翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:15:18 - 11:33:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長就「營造友善職場育兒環境，落實照顧不離職政策規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請紅部長 |
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廖委員好部長好部長部長這個依性別平等工作法的規定那父母在子女未滿三歲前可以各自申請孕留職停薪假最長達兩年嘛那現行的津貼是投保薪資的80% |
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那但是據媒體報導這個勞動部正在研議修法當雙清都滿了六個月之後可以各增加一個月的津貼那這邊你們是說預計最快是2026年的實施那預計有2.1萬的家庭可以受惠不過我這部分其實是蠻擔憂啊因為就媒體預估今年新生兒人數可能不到12萬 |
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那這樣的低生育率是不是有這麼多家庭可以受惠我是很質疑但是另外我覺得比較擔心的是這麼岌岌可危的生育率是不是這樣子的措施能夠在今年就實行不要等到明年那因為你們的勞動部甚至的說法叫做最快是明年那這樣緩不濟急啊所以我想要問說那這部分你們預計是什麼時候 |
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根本說因為這部分涉及到救保險法的修法那因為救保法的修法其實需要研議的部分很多可能也不是只有這一條所以我們現在內部也在研擬這個修法的版本那我目前是會在今年底然後來提出救保法修法的草案所以 |
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提出這個草案送行政院會是在今年底所以這時間算起來的話這個部長這部分可不可以加速啊因為像我說的這個拖到明年會不會也有太久跟我的說明因為舊保法的修法它牽涉的面向真的比較多 |
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那如果要修法的話也不是只是修這一個條文那這個部分有什麼加速的方案嗎就是說如果只針對這個部分的話因為如果舊保法要修法的話它可能會有幾個面向都要一起放進來那這部分我們也在做相關的研議中那你們的研議我意思是說那如果針對這件事情我剛剛提到這件事情你們有沒有什麼加速的方案除了修這個法的部分之外這個事情如果要做的話就是要修法 |
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那你們預計的進度這個跟委員說明確實因為如果要修法的話因為修法確實涉及到方方面面的考慮包括各方對這事情其實就保要修的部分我想如果委員了解的話就保其實大家提出要修訂的部分其實真的也不只是這個面 |
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那需要做比較細膩的考慮下確實一定會需要一點時間部長那我再進一步講目前這個育嬰假的申請資格是勞工需要至少工作六個月是可以申請但在實務上其實我們也關注到有很多是非典型就業者包含可能有一些什麼契約工、臨時工等等的他皆無法申請那是不是造成有部分的群體被遺漏 |
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接下來是不是可以規劃將這個資格門檻放寬啊比如說把它降低到是三個月或者是採雇主自願參加規範照顧更多這種彈性的勞動人口呢 |
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跟委員報告因為這個部分其實暈流停的部分有一個很重要的事其實勞工在暈流停期間他其實經濟生活上面政府還是需要照顧他那所以這裡面就會連結到什麼樣的對象可以暈流停那暈流停的人其實救保那邊的津貼其實我們就應該支持他的生活這樣子一個因素底下如果他是一個非典型的可能他的救保資格 |
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或者是我們的救保裁員這都是我們必須要考量的因素是所以我是說這個部分是不是可以也進一步的去研擬是否要放寬這個部分的條件因為以不要漏接這個部分的群體因為你指的是說要來比如說本來是六個月嘛是不是要降到三個月 |
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這是不是一個你們可以去思考的方向跟委員報告 舊保是要加保滿一年啦那這個一年不是說這個勞工 這個雇主啦就是所有的舊保的年資要滿一年所以一般對於這個新手爸媽來講這個條件不是這個主要是配合跟就業就事業給付的條件是一樣的 |
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對那這個部分所以你的意思是說因為目前申請是寫說勞工至少需要工作6個月嘛對不對連續啊連續工作6個月那我只是說這個部分有沒有放寬的可能性我覺得我們可能會需要綜合的考慮啊因為確實整個舊保的給付他其實他很重要的目的是維持就業上面的安定啊所以怎麼他的他的時間點的設計要怎麼樣設計比較能夠達成大家希望的就是說他他 |
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其實最重要的目的還是希望促成就業上面的安定只是育嬰留庭是它裡面其中一個給付的項目所以我們還是必須回到整個救保基金包括整個救保險其實它的目的去做這個事情的思考 |
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那這個部分所以我剛剛說我提出這個放寬的方向那你們是不是也可以去演繹一下有沒有可能性以照顧到更多的需要被照顧的勞工們那這部分請部長這邊可以去演繹一下我們都可以再綜合的再做一些考慮跟思考但就像我剛剛說包括像自營作業因為自營作業者他其實並沒有雇主 |
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那這個所以因為他沒有僱主他工作相對比較自由所以他在整個這個這個救保的概念裡面那我覺得我們怎麼樣再去可能要另外再多做一些多做一些思考跟考慮但我了解委員都希望說這個相關的資源能夠讓更多的勞工可以享有可是這確實我們也可能要回到我們包括救保險的政策包括救保基金的政策原本的方向它的設定是什麼 |
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那每個政客都有他設定的範圍跟他設定的目標所以在這個方面請部長可以回去思考一下不要漏接這些人或是在這部分這些勞工的形態上面有沒有什麼可以去照顧到他們的方案好不好那下一個就是 |
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根據這個現行的性別工作平衡法跟我們勞工請假規則嘛那一般勞工僅有7天的家庭照顧假那也且是併入14天的試假範疇喔那這個試假的期間是無薪喔所以也導致很多勞工是不敢請假那家庭照顧假的形容是虛設 |
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那相較於一些軍公教人員享有有薪的家庭照顧假這個一般勞工的部分是明顯有這個不足的地方所以再來此外現行的育嬰留職停薪雖然有津貼但是請假的彈性不足也許多家長有反應無法因應托嬰中心突發的一些不管是停課、臨時的狀況 |
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所以我在這邊是不是也可以建議我們勞動部是不是未來啊積極推動這個家庭照顧假有心化跟彈性化那或是並參考國際經驗喔例如新加坡是有彈性工時與有心照顧假那將這個家庭照顧假的天數也增至14天而且並給予這個薪資的保障喔那這部分是不是可以問我們的部長有沒有意願往這方向來研擬來推動 |
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那個跟各位說明家照架的彈性化我們這部分我們也有在做研擬的思考那至於現在大家很多在談到說是不是能夠讓家庭照顧下能夠有心那這部分其實會有心的話 |
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呃要嘛就是這個薪水是雇主付要嘛就是政府來補貼對政府補貼的部分那可是我也要提醒委員這個貴院修的才化法讓中央政府的財政的域度大幅的降低 |
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那有薪的加造價其實每多一天其實他需要的財源的其實你的財源的部分除了公務預算還有一些基金啊相關的東西其實我覺得是不用再去扯這個我們的意思就是說有人這不是扯這是在任何的政策可以去思考怎麼推動有人我們去估算如果每一天的加造價算起來他其實他的他需要的 |
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有薪的加造價會需要多的這個預算的支應其實量是很大的那你們現在算下來是多少一天可能都是要上百億啊一天上百億因為因為這個是每一個勞工這是每一個勞工你是用總數是不是就是說假設一千一百多萬的總數的勞工然後每一天如果是用七天然後七天下去算這樣子是嗎 |
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七天要再乘以七啊 |
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那所以你的意思是說家庭照顧價因為家照價家照價是每個勞工都會有的剛才講暈流亭你還是是針對你有生小孩的的勞工家照價是每天都會有的話所以他賺起來他的金額是真的是非常高的那我想要講的事情是那任何哪一個基金都很難去所以我剛有特別講到說參考國際經驗那你們是不是也可以去研擬說那國際上面他們怎麼做的那我們可不可以做到或者是我們怎麼樣去整合到我們地方我們的我們的這個 |
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政府的這個解方上跟人說明我們當然可以來看一下國際上我們怎麼做但是當現在中央政府的整個財政的狀況被這樣子削弱的時候對於這種可能會增加的大筆的支出我們都只有更加的困難這樣子講 |
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確定是這樣嗎你們沒這個這個今年的稅計剩餘也是非常的多還有在包上包含各種的基金那現在沒有說這不能用稅計剩餘來想因為每年的稅計剩餘並不是固定的我跟你講現在沒有要吵這另外一件事我們可不可以針對這件事情就事論事就針對這件事情我說你們應該要去參考 |
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國際上的經驗然後再回來很務實的去算說我們怎麼達成這件事情我們當然願意來看國際的經驗怎麼來做但是當中央政府的財政這樣被大幅削弱的時候對於這樣新的支出而且它是固定的這不能用稅率剩餘來想因為稅率剩餘可能今年是比較高明年部長我剛剛的問題有叫你馬上實施嗎 |
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我剛剛問題不是說你們要往這邊去研擬的方向我們怎麼達成這件事情又或者說一種就是我們剛剛就講了兩件事一種是你要不要提升家庭照顧假或者是往有心的這個家庭照顧假的方向去研擬這部長我這部分我要提醒的事情就像你說如果要政府您要去解決百姓的需求和百姓的聲音那你也說了現在社會上普遍有這個聲音 |
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那這部分是不是應該由你們去思考說到底怎麼做到或者是做不做得到這應該都是所謂的研擬的方向我們當然願意研擬但我們也很希望立法院可以對於中央政府的財政狀況 |
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可以給你支持這才有辦法讓行政部門去做大家期望的事情絕對支持弱勢的福利喔這個部分我們從來沒有支持過但是現在在財化法下中央政府的財政的域度被大幅的降低中央下你要去大幅的增加像這樣子政府的支出 |
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這都會增加非常非常多的困難你不能夠一句話就這樣子打死喔這不是一句話我只是告訴你說 往這邊去研擬這樣的方向對不對 部長我只是說你們可不可以去了解一下人家國際經驗怎麼做那我就問你 到底人家怎麼做人家花多少錢委員 委員我們剛才你如果沒有辦法回答的情況之下你就用這個東西來搪塞我覺得是絕對不是責任的喔一個政策要能夠落實一個政策要能夠達實所以我剛剛沒有在方面面的支持包括財政上面的支持 |
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今天立法院一直削弱中央政府的財政的狀況卻又要中央政府做更多的事情你不覺得這是衝突的嗎不衝突 原因為什麼我要告訴你的事情是第一個我剛剛是說你是不是要去借鏡你們要去了解說國際上面他們怎麼做這件事我們當然可以那我就問你嘛但是其他國家的中央政府財政有被削弱嗎那我問你其他國家的中央政府跟地方政府的比例是多少你也不能這樣比嘛 |
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人家有像我們這樣嗎過去中央政府比例佔到75%以上你這樣子講你這樣去比較合理的嗎我只是要提醒我們願意做更多的事情所以希望立法院對我們的財政狀況有更多的支持立法院絕對支持對於勞工的福利但是之前就是被削弱啦什麼叫削弱 這已經講過了地方政府跟中央政府的比例這已經講到不用再講了中央政府就是在對國家你說財政狀況被削弱別人的話 |
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那我想請問你過去的比例怎麼算過去其他的中央政府跟地方政府的財政收支的比例我們是不是比其他國家地方政府更加的少所以這部分我想喔不要用這個來談論我只想要告訴我們需要做更多的事就需要在財政上有更多的支持就希望財政能力更加的健全這部分是不是有可行性以及7天增加14天是一個方向另外一個是有心話的部分有沒有可能做到參考國外的經驗 |
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我們都願意來看國外的經驗也願意來思考跟參考但是這個事情要政府做越多的事情的話更需要更多財政上面的支持請問你們去年五月推動的育嬰留庭的試辦計畫到去年底告一個段落根據你們勞動部自己的統計試辦的單位是大概89家 |
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那累計24家的事業單位182人申請申請天數是以三天為多那部長請問你這樣的成效覺得是好嗎推廣是普及到有普及嗎之前在暈流亭的事辦的狀況其實成果當然有精進的空間我們必須承認 |
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是啊對那那你們現在打算怎麼進進因為之前是用三到五日所以我們當然是現在希望能夠再更縮短能夠申請的這個日數那之前也是是透過企業的自願性就是說你有有有自願意願的才進到這個事辦的pool裡面那我們的確現在是希望說我們能夠把配套做好那 |
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希望能夠做到更普及其實這個報導中也有說很多家長是反應無法因應托嬰中心突然停課等的臨時的狀況所以整體比例不應該這麼低那但是另外我去年其實也有質詢過小孩在剛上幼兒園托兒所之後因為他環境的變化差異所以有時候家長會比較有臨時請假的需求 |
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是不是要把這種短期的彈性育嬰假也適用對象是不是也可以擴大到六歲比較符合家長的實際需求因為包含上了幼兒園現在常常有什麼腸病毒啊或等等的臨時的感冒的狀況突發狀況比較多我們是不是應該要研擬去變到六歲擴大到六歲因為確實現在因為 |
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就像剛才說的我們現在是朝向是用育嬰留庭的彈性化的方式那的確現在育嬰留庭目前是在三歲以內 |
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對 所以這個有沒有考慮要把它擴大到六歲我們目前的確是在研擬目前是先以運營留庭來做彈性化的做法我們這個階段可能是希望能夠先做像朝向這個方向先來做調整跟優化你說朝向把它擴大到六歲嗎不是 我說現在目前確實運營留庭就是比較是現在三歲以內 |
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所以你的意思是說你沒有要考慮擴大到六歲我覺得那可能會是下一個階段之後再來考慮我們會在這個階段也讓企業有一個能夠去適應這部分的一個階段 |
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當然但是部長我覺得這部分你們可能要去盡早的研擬因為我剛說到6歲上幼兒園的情況會蠻多的其實這個家長他會他要應付的突發狀況可能是更多的所以這部分可以請部長往這方向去思考然後也去溝通看0到6歲是不是有這個需求而且是不是家長真的很需要到6歲的這個這個Range好不好那另外就是因為這部分其實也有看到我們勞動部的新聞稿 |
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所以無論什麼方式做調整但是總之就是不會涉及修法所以是代表這部分 |
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因為你們是想說不會涉及修法那這部分你們怎麼說就是因為剛剛你說你可以考慮到六歲可是你們新聞稿又說不會考慮修法因為我們在這個階段我們會先來進行就不修法的狀況下面能做的部分我們先來做一輪的彈性化的處理那我想要告訴部長其實照顧工作是很沉重但這個我想母親父母親的身份不要成為職場身份的緊箍咒謝謝 |