| IVOD_ID |
162590 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162590 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T10:42:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T10:53:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552a078b2436ba5eea83435a35cf529d0c6cadf9c1769f7edb4713a137a43a01e8185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葛如鈞 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:42:14 - 10:53:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男就「推動AI之產業發展政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請速發部黃燕南部長請部長 |
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好 謝謝部長我想支持蔡奇商委員剛剛的說法打造通茶網把負擔加注在民眾身上部會應該還是要多努力透過一些新的技術同時我有幾個問題想問剛剛有提到現在用的GPU就不叫超級電腦但你們速發部的官網上面直接就寫了超級電腦訓練出所有的語言模型中略打算加上台灣本地的資料去做到台灣的引擎 |
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所以是你們速發部網站寫錯了還是你們剛剛其實在糊弄別人啊用GPU集成的電腦就不叫超級電腦嗎這是你們速發部公網自己寫的喔教證一下超級電腦的定義其實就是擁有超級算力的電腦管它CPU GPU你們不要突然在質詢台上面突然發明跟產業界不一樣的說法 |
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不好意思如果你們不去更正你們速發部官網上的東西不用再跟我解釋了有沒有人要更正沒有更正就更正剛剛的說法我剛才想要跟那個邱若驊委員所解釋的就是如同我們部長所講的因為超級電腦是一個比較模糊的概念那就泛用文詞不需要在質詢台上面去確定跟學界不一樣的東西好謝謝要精準我們開始變精準我覺得這個資訊圈的人真的會覺得很難過我再問部長 |
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請問CA信任憑證跟自動安全有沒有關係 |
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那個CA是剛講就是跟資通安全有沒有關係如果你需要一些加密的那個訊息有受效經過CA拿到憑證對嘛所以跟資安有關嘛TWCA你們請大家換憑證的網頁官網上前兩句就講了如果有好的信任憑證可以阻絕駭客入侵不會有這種資安的疑慮所以CA跟資安有沒有關請教速發部長當然有關嘛 |
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這不用解釋啊所以我想請教昨天傍晚的時候中華電信新任董事長我們知道他很努力啦他昨天講了兩個他說CA出問題跟資安無關第二個他說這一次中華電信新任憑證出了問題影響維護其為請問部長你對這兩個說法有沒有意見我們認不認同兩個問題第一個CA跟資安無關中華電信董事長說的你作為資安的最高指導機關有沒有意見 |
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他的CA是說8月以後他再發新的憑證不能發可是既有的憑證還是可以用那你如果憑證出了問題跟治安有沒有關嘛他的憑證沒有出問題是發憑證出問題發憑證出問題是說他8月1號以後不能發新的憑證我們現在不是在玩文字校正遊戲CA信任憑證就是跟治安有關你剛剛已經說了 |
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CA本身能不能發平所以亂發跟治安有沒有關亂發當然所以我覺得這樣我理解啦我理解部長的意思啦在某一個特定語境之下可以無關沒有關係這個大家自有公平那自通安全我們剛剛講到影響維護其為你認不認同 |
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這次的這個信任憑證的事件影響為乎其為 董事長說的認不認同我們剛剛講我們在早先就已經有雙憑證機制所以呢中華電信如果不能再發信任憑證所以您認同為乎其為影響為乎其為政府單位幾乎沒有影響那業者就算了你們是電商的產業指導單位 |
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業者我們有督促 剛剛委員有建議我們也跟中華電信討論過業者的 剛剛講過去發的憑證還是有效以後不能拿新憑證但是要換新憑證的時候中華電信要負責幫業者換新憑證如果要有收費 中華電信要匯出好 趕快積極處理那這個我覺得還是有很多問題我們之後再討論因為時間有限那我想今天謝謝昭偉安排的這個題目啦 |
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那我們看到剛剛我在這個經濟委員會質詢國發會主委完全不知道AI基本法現在在哪裡請問AI基本法是不是還在行政院裡面對吧我說院版嘛院版是不是還在行政院對嘛 |
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結果我們國發會完全不知道啊他不知道你 你也不知道他 為什麼呢因為他推出AI新十大建設的說法的時候完全沒有速發部的角色你們怎麼在互相邊緣化他的新聞稿裡面沒提到 所以有沒有參與如果我們不會的話 可以說明一下AI新十大建設速發部有沒有參與 負責哪些部分非常重要的部分 我們十大建設裡面我們組織了兩個建設 然後協辦六個建設所有參與 |
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OK那根據國發會主委的說法行政院預計六月就會核定那請問部長我們沒有一個上位的基本法很可能彼此會有漢格啊請問一下行政院有沒有機會預計在六月份我們早一點啊不然他AI新十大建設都要推出去建了結果我們沒有AI基本法 |
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這個讓AI新十大建設與法有據嗎有沒有機會行政院早一點6月算出院版的AI基本法草案我們那個AI的這個產業的推動在過去兩年都已經在進展那當然就是說基本法主要是管理所以我剛剛講就是說在十大建設裡面我們包括有些建設像建立算力這東西事實上這可以並行並沒有說一定要希望先出來 |
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部長你剛剛講出你的心裡話啦AI基本法其實不是只是要管理而已您剛剛一直也都說它是一個基本框架它又要發展又要資料治理結果您內心深處講出你的心裡話是管理沒有關係啦我們還是等你們的版本出來那我想請教部長講到AI基本法現行11部基本法當中有沒有內容有提到行政院的任務編組的條文 |
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有沒有行政院這個大部分的基本法都沒有那有沒有嘛有幾個有但是答案都已經出來了啦其實就這幾個都有所以能不能支持我們依法要設立任務編組啊我們第17條第7條有設立人工智慧業務的跨部會協調組織有委員會啊其實這是可以的嘛對不對有機會支持吧這個我們等院這必須是要報院要同意就是說這不是我能決定的 |
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好沒關係那我請教部長你可以決定當然你可以提出建議那速發部115年預計編列多少預算推行AI相關的業務115年對因為現在正在編現在正在你編對不對那預計你編多少 |
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我們那個預算部分現在因為剛剛講有這個AI的這個十大建設目前是希望能夠編列一百六十加碼一百六十億一百六十億在速發部這邊做AI的過去是多少你知道嗎 |
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過去哇暴增20倍以上過去我們問過啊速發部跟數位產業AI產業數位都納進來不是AI是5億多這個當然啦我想也許我們算法不同也許你們有AI的這個這個資安預防等等但這個這個相增增減相關的報告請給我們那想問一下部長是不是知道11部基本法裡面 |
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有沒有做確保預算的相關條文因為你推AI基本法各部會要做這個所謂的作用法您剛剛也提了大家需不需要一些預算現有的基本法當中有沒有做預算確保的條文有還是沒有有一些有 對有嘛其實我們都幫你找好了啦文化基本法還甚至保障專款專用海洋基本法也做這個相關的預算一定要必要措施還要寬列喔 |
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所以我想是不是部長您可不可以建議院長還有行政院來支持我們第11條草案裡面要放入確保預算的條文啊有沒有機會來支持一下因為沒有預算各個部會怎麼來推進呢那個委員的很多建議我們謝謝委員支持啦我想這個委員在這個AI基本法確實有很多的建議跟想法都很好那我們會剛剛講這個布版的時候會考慮 |
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那布版因為現在這個院版一直卡在行政院那布版現在好像現在又拉回來還要修改嗎現在到底是在院還是布啊因為您一下子說院嘛可是現在布又還沒辦法提出我們現在是說院因為要院大院通過這個需要沒有沒有我說的是行政院現在到底是您的版本速發布的版本現在是停在行政院還是又拉回來修改 |
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原來的那個版本是國科會草案的版本嘛那我們現在是要所以你們從來沒有送過一份過去從來沒有我們就是把原來的國科會草案那個版本原則上是不然那個請那個市長我跟委員說明喔大概就是國科會他預告的版本行政院交給蘇華部主政之後我們大概有開了兩次的會所以我們大概有修正部分的條文現在就在行政院的校文的審理中這樣 |
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卡在行政院嘛所以現在是卡在行政院因為這一點我想所有的委員教文委員會還有交通委員會包含召委我們都非常關心啦所以您又提到說那速發布要7月15號以前才能將布版整理出來可是這剛剛很奇怪啊您說您的版本已經送到行政院了那為什麼現在布版不能早一點提供給我們看呢 |
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因為現在是行政院那到7月15號以前我們還是要努力我們現在我們那天在委員會教育交通聯席我們只是要布板喔欸為什麼布板您都可以給行政院了現在其實已經可以提出來了啊對啊所以7月15號以前我們當然會提出好所以您現在有抓7月15號以前嘛對不對對 |
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好7月15號以前我希望啦書發部可以預定照你們的想法也承諾了7月15號要如期完成這個佈板提供給教育及教章兩個委員會審查使用這一點沒有改變嘛對不對沒有改變好那最後借主席一點點時間剛剛有提到很多打詐的議題其實近期有非常多的陳情這個虛擬這個貨幣或數位資產的產業有非常多的KOL |
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突然遭到大幅度的下架其實很多人都只是在做知識的推廣這個我覺得那他們是不明不白的沒有任何的沒有任何的理由那相關的這個平台呢有說好像跟速發部說不定是有什麼樣的關係所以這一點我希望請部長了解一下虛擬貨幣或者是數位資產不是全部都是妖魔如果照這樣的一個做法 |
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只要有問題就來砍就說他詐欺那這樣我想美國在推動比特幣穩定比特幣的法案穩定幣的法案都會落入你們的這個評估標準這樣很奇怪我們接受通報以後我們是跟金管會就報給金管會那這個決定應該是金管會決定好所以我想相關的這個橫向剝剝通不要讓民眾其實有一些新興的產業他們是做正規的事情 |
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那不小心誤殺到正規的事這過去抒發部或者是相關部會已經有過類似的例子希望這種誤殺的方式不要再出現好不好好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席 |