| IVOD_ID |
162589 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162589 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T10:26:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T10:41:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552af1a30c43e35100d9435a35cf529d0c6cadf9c1769f7edb47f2ef179986d190cb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:26:37 - 10:41:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男就「推動AI之產業發展政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請黃部長請部長部長早部長上一次在質詢台上面本席關切的那個 |
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111啊 我們現在民眾啊 收到簡訊只要簡訊前面的號碼出現111本來過去我們都講 那個絕對不是詐騙那後來呢 我們就開始發現這個移動基地台 蓋台然後111就變成不一定是真的 對不對那我看了一下你們最近又公布了一個記者會 |
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應該是回應我說要趕快把這問題解決嘛那現在的方式是怎麼樣是111再加後面再加你的三個碼就是說蓋台沒辦法產生後面這三個碼對就是 |
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11在家收到的那一個人的三個碼對 後面三個碼好 只有這個是真的對 所以你會看到11然後再加上自己的電話號碼後面三個碼有這樣才會證明也就是這個這種方式讓剛剛講的21蓋台的這些假的基地站沒辦法產生這個後面這三個碼所以它只能出現111它最多最多出現11但是因為就不會是有後面這三個碼所以讓民眾更能夠判斷這個訊息是真是假好 那 |
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現在目前收到 如果還單純收到111除了2G的簡訊 |
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主要是2G蓋台啦就是3G是已經沒有了所以2G的手機有大部分手機那系統有沒有關係系統就跟安卓跟iOS系統iOS的2G我的了解像新的iPhone大概都收不到2G的訊號那舊的Android系統還是有人會收到2G的訊號所以這個蓋台的時候不是每個人都看得到有一部分舊的手機會看到那換言之 |
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部長那現在所有的人你只要用111加號碼就好了就不要再用111了嘛就不會 而且未來不會只有111啦對 簡單講就是不要再用111就不會有111有些是真有些是假所以現在我的建議就是只要 |
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就不要再用111這個簡訊啦就不要用就不用沒有看的問題嘛就以後就是111加你個人的號碼後三碼對後三碼不要再發111啦就沒有就不要看到11就要懷疑對啦 |
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看111是詐111有可能詐騙可以用但我的意思是說真實的絕對不是詐騙譬如說政府機關發的沒有那個111的這樣可不可以那個細節有請那個市長市長是 |
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報告委員剛才講那個說法可能稍微再調整一下就是說第一個就是還是會看到111這個號碼發出來簡訊只是簡訊內容的一剛開頭會把民眾那個手機的陌生碼帶進去所以他看到還是11號碼只是內容簡訊內容會有一個這個手機陌生碼那就是以後只要宣導 |
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簡訊的內容的一開頭一定是111加你的陌生碼絕對是真對在訊息的開頭對不對這樣子嘛宣導就宣導這樣子就不要再管111是真是假的就直接要看簡訊的內容的開頭還是要有自己的陌生碼所以我的意思是說你看你們開完記者會我看了一下新聞我還是有一點模糊所以表示這個宣導還是有一點問題 |
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所以要怎麼樣更簡單的告訴大家絕對是真的那你就要直接告訴大家說很簡單不管你的抬頭看到什麼只要簡訊內容的起頭有11加你的號電話的陌生碼一定為真是這樣嗎還是不對好來你看看我講那麼久還是不對這個讓委員誤解了這其實它是兩個步驟 |
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第一個步驟你還是要看到是111這個號碼發來的簡訊第二個步驟才是看簡訊內容的一剛開頭會有三碼你自己的電話號碼的末三碼那樣子所以它是兩個步驟並不是簡訊內容裡面的開頭是111加上末三碼並不是這樣子它其實是兩個步驟的好那你可以直接這樣宣導啦但我還是覺得我的疑問就是除了這個宣導我剛剛有誤解嗎宣導是 |
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AND不是ALL啦就兩個一定要有先看到11再加簡訊內容那我接著請問那換言之111是可以造假的因為蓋台對蓋台嘛不管他什麼辦法111看到也可能是詐騙嘛那下面的11加你手機每一個人個人手機的莫三碼這個可不可以造假 |
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後面墨山碼是沒辦法抄假的因為那個蓋台那個假的記憶站不知道你的手機就說他沒辦法去好那如果我前面不要出現111但我的簡訊內容出現111加你手機的墨山碼他有沒有可能是假的這個如果不是111就都要懷疑我的意思說簡訊的 |
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第一行你簡訊內容的第一行是111加你手機的墨三碼這也可能是假的簡訊因為這個可以造假最主要是前面就是11這個前面一定要11後面才是你的那個我同意所以兩個都要啦那你們趕快照這樣的方向宣導否則的話這個就是你看齁 |
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你們記者會都開完了立法院我還是搞不大懂所以我今天特別把他詢問清楚是因為這個對反詐都很重要啦謝謝委員建議第二個齁這個我看了一下你們的反詐的一個就是那個查詢網網路詐騙通報查詢網部長這幾月開始上線正式 |
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我們正式上線是5月15所以大概一個月部長現在目前這一個查詢網下載量是多少1萬8你們對於一個月只有1萬多下載滿意嗎或者正常嗎 |
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這個我們當然是希望能夠 我們現在因為剛上架嘛我們會擴大宣傳 那當然我們是希望越多人下載越好所以這個我們還需要再多宣傳這樣的一個部長 除了宣傳之外 他其實我的感覺是這樣啦 這都是消費市場的概念譬如說我看了一下 |
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警政服務警政服務這個APP下載超過100萬次台灣大哥大的這個反詐戰警超過10萬然後這個Who's Call超過5000萬然後中華網安助手這中華電信的超過5萬部長你有沒有研究過這些APP跟你的APP的差異是什麼 |
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那個第一點不知道委員就是說他們這些APP都已經有一段時間了時間嘛 時間是一個所以我們因為正式上架是5月15嘛所以我想我們在努力以後我們當然希望越多人下載越好這個我們會再去宣傳那目標當然是希望能夠更多民眾就是這邊有講嘛就是像我們反詐戰警或者是警政部都超過10萬嘛我想這是我們下一個目標 |
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部長我的意思是這樣啦我當然我希望我猜的不對啦我希望我接下來發言人猜不對我們下一個月在這裡我認為你還是差不多差距不了太遠這個數字差距不了太遠啦我的感覺是這樣那我的邏輯很簡單我覺得就是說市場嘛就我們政府沒有從市場的角度來看就是簡單講當你這個APP非常好用的時候啊你不用宣傳大家會幫你宣傳 |
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他的傳播大家會不斷的告訴他的親友你要下載這一個老人家不會下載我會回家找我媽媽幫他的手機下載好為什麼 太好用了所以關鍵就是你的東西內容是什麼那我為什麼問你其他的其實我的意思就是說譬如說我舉例這裡面搞不好有些是要收費的 |
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對不對有些是要收費的我們的不用嘛對有人我剛剛念的一大堆APP有可能是要收費嘛譬如說Who's Call可能要收費我不知道那個反詐戰警要不要收費聽說也要 台哥大的那個APP那它的收費的服務內容我們可不可以做得到譬如說我舉例 |
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反詐戰警他來電的時候他會告訴你你現在打來這個電話可能是詐騙或者可能是銀行的推銷他會直接在你電話響的同時他就提醒你嘛那部長他們的data哪裡來的 |
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台灣大哥大的data為什麼他知道這一個手機的號碼是有疑慮或者這個手機號碼他直接告訴你這個是某某銀行的客服或者某某銀行的推銷的銷售員打來的他的data來自哪裡 |
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電信公司本來在客戶上就有些客戶資料那他如果他知道這個是詐騙他是不是來自政府他的後端的data譬如說他確定這個是詐騙他那個是資料是來自165我們的也是來自政府各單位我們的APP我們的APP在判 |
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我們第一個 我們有些是自己掃描 就AI去掃描的嘛然後有一些也是來自 情資是來自民眾的通報另外就是也有跟165警政署有些合作對對對 所以部長 我簡單講因為時間的關係 結論就是說處發部應該把這些每一個單位他到底他的APP為什麼會大家覺得好用那因為我們是政府嘛 我們是打詐的最前線 |
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我們代表的是這個國家的力量在處理詐騙所以我們要想盡各種可能無論叫AI去掃無論是民眾檢舉無論來自警政署無論來自速發部的什麼檢舉的什麼東西反正只要這個國家裡面對方可以取得的我們一定可以取得就是這些好用APP可以取得的DATA速發部哪一個不可以取得你告訴我我不相信啦你是打詐最前線就代表國家在打詐 |
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678.171 |
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698.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
那所以你的APP邏輯上應該是全世界全台灣最好用的APP不過我有一個可能稍微要說明一下像警政署很多資料是已經是確定是詐騙那我們處理的是還不確定是詐騙的時候一個通報所以在這個時候你現在不懂你們是一個檢舉網站我也沒有關係就是你的功能應該是 |
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703.337 |
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721.92 |
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不確定我也可以查詢對現在目的是這樣然後做好最好到你確定的事情當我的電話來的時候他直接就告訴我我們剛剛講就是但確定了我們沒問題我們會直接通報不不不我的意思是說為什麼你不可以做到 |
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724.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
744.854 |
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詐騙電話來你們確定這個是詐騙電話的時候為什麼你不可以直接向其他APP的功能可以順便提醒我這個電話有疑慮如果我們那個網頁當民眾檢舉過的那個網址確定是詐騙下一個質詢的時候詢問的時候我們就跟他說這是詐騙你是下一個被動詢問但是在第一次發生的時候因為這個地方 |
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747.455 |
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756.922 |
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我們分兩塊一塊就是你的app讓人家檢舉第二個就是你們主動提醒所有全台灣人說這個電話有問題 |
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761.274 |
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790.575 |
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那個我們主要是網站嘛主動提醒這個那個因為我們現在那個網站通報查詢網跟那個剛剛委員講到那些電話處理是不一樣我們處理的是網址不是處理是電話那電話說有個來電方那來電方因為沒辦法把那個電話馬上給封鎖所以他們就是會提用提醒民眾的方法那我們的方法呢是直接就是叫Meta說那個有問題的沒問題直接把它下架了你們有公權力可以執行後段啦 |
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791.135 |
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816.513 |
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我的意思是說 你的網站要好用齁這些民間的功能為什麼它可以下載到 譬如說Who's Call為什麼可以下載五千萬次我只是要你們腦筋去想一想說 人家是做什麼 為什麼大家都要下載又負錢耶 為什麼我現在要打仗 我自己還要負錢也有很多人要付 因為我數字它有五千萬下載嘛 壞 |
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819.053 |
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844.179 |
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為什麼我們速發部不來問問說我們開發這個網站跟市場怎麼競爭為什麼他可以那他的功能是什麼那他的data有可能就是來自政府部門嘛所以我剛剛講過哪一個部門的data你們取獲取不了分兩塊一塊是現有我知道這一群這個就是可以的第二個就是我還不知道等著大家來檢舉你們現在一直在跟我講等著大家來檢舉的部分我的意思是要你們處理 |
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845.719 |
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866.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
檢舉也應該讓大家檢舉現有的你也可以提醒大家這就是你就是全台灣打炸的的貪投保急先鋒你拿政府的預算在做這些事情你為什麼不開發一個讓人家下載全台灣你根本不用宣傳嘛我每一個人都會幫你宣傳因為你太好用了打炸太有效了為什麼 |
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867.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
889.965 |
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這個委員的建議我們再回去再跟這些他們做法再研究但是我跟你講就是說我們現在看到詐騙網站我們就要他下載根本民眾不希望民眾再看這個我沒問題嘛你讓他下載我檢舉了你發現對你就讓他下載這因為你有公權力嘛其他人不可以叫他下載是因為其他人沒公權力但其他人為什麼會那麼多人願意下載他的APP |
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890.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
914.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
我們再去你不做這個不然你相信我啦我們幾個月之後坐在這裡我們還在講說怎麼才也還在一兩萬我們再看看部長你懂我的意思我們再回去我是提醒你們可以這樣做應該要這樣做這樣的不用開記者會宣傳你的APP全台灣的人都主動每個人增香下載你的APP謝謝委員 |