| IVOD_ID |
162567 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162567 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T09:33:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T09:44:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552a99ea45e373648ac9435a35cf529d0c6cadf9c1769f7edb4779d122fef1d5156d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林國成 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:33:00 - 09:44:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男就「推動AI之產業發展政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請黃部長請部長還有那個林署長 蔡署長好 一起請啊好 委員長好部長早我想今天排這個AI發展的這些種種的 |
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我們可以看得出來當然數位部成立也不久了那AI未來確實是一個國際的啟示所以我要請教我們部長你已經就任一年你對於數位部對於你們整個數位的發展包括AI你到底自己打幾分 |
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自己打幾分對另外我訂了幾個目標一個就是我們的不是啦 目標有啦常有在溝通你也有報告我說對於你這一年來當部長因為當初一期待我一直在鼓勵你你是產業而來的部長 |
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所以我們當然對你有所啟示啦那你自己門心自問自己對於數位部的這些業務你認為自己打幾分報告委員 委員問這問題我講實話啦那個事實上因為 |
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因為很多工作我想做那因為今年預算被刪得太厲害所以我們預算都已經解凍 該解凍的都解凍啦你們 你還要那個我私底下都一直在鼓勵你你就做你的數位方向有些計畫 |
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我想蘇珊瑚最明顯蘇珊瑚的很多推動AI的計畫就被Cancel因為經費不是被動是被刪所以這個工作當然就是說所以你要問我這個話言而講起來我給自己就是70分啦但因為有些工作原來想做沒辦法做所以我會覺得很可惜好啦你自己打70分嘛因為經費的關係70分雖然及格啦但是你的做人處事是70分以上啦 |
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對於業務的推展我認為只有60分啦只有60分雖及格但是還要努力啦因為AI未來的問題啊不是我們想像中一直在講什麼這個預算預算的問題該動的就動啦該刪的就刪啦你們不是說要補那個追加預算那追加預算反對當然沒有意見只要有理由 |
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只要是方向正確的基本上都會支持啊尤其我個人本身就非常支持啊甚至於我自己都還排你們那個解凍案啊所以我是覺得這樣啦未來AI的方向是國際歧視所以是有競爭力的 |
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是有競爭做比較的所以在這個部分我還是要勉勵部長當然有些是政策的問題你有自然生但是AI的問題其實是沒有政策的問題就只有勇往直前所以我就跟你說你做人70分我承認但是業務是只有60分還要有待加強來 |
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來 部長 我們最近啊這個 當然啦 這個打詐的問題不能全部怪你們啦 |
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但是AI整個數位的設計你非得不能推卸責任也就是最近我們有公布六大的平台六大的平台但是我就覺得很奇怪這個也就是新興一年多的他擁有350萬的 |
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勸這個平台啊這為什麼六大平台都納管啊他有350萬啊為什麼不納管博定鬼什麼那個原來是只有六個平台沒有錯那雖然這個今年他開始開放廣告版位所以我們已經在這個就在如果說剛剛講我們有個規範是說如果符合一定規模的廣告平台我們會把它納管 |
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那在納管之前我們是經過我們的這些跟Meta的管道看到詐騙廣告我們就要求他下架他目前都還有配合辦理但是我想剛委員建議這個這個這個這個這個平台要不要納管啊所以平台他有沒有違規是另外一回事因為他擁有350萬不能成為我們納管管理的缺口要不要納管要不要 |
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不是檢討啦要不要啦你檢討這個有什麼好檢討民意代表都發現了你們還在檢討那這樣什麼叫做管理所以我就常講你們的業務啊我還是民力部長你的業務迅速發現到有問題當然納管就要納管那為什麼這六大平台都要納管那為什麼獨卻他不納管如果我常想政治的話那是不是民進黨開的 |
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當然不能這樣講嘛所以我們公務機關該納管就要納管還要再考慮什麼 來署長你考慮的是什麼點 來謝謝委員關心這個議題那在規模上他的確符合但因為他過去沒有上架廣告所以還沒有在我們兩條條件之內所以你要講這樣我就要打槍你了喔我跟你講他最近喔 最近喔 |
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違規事件貧窮喔這種東西你們就要主動納管納管不代表就要開華納管只是讓他一個警惕說我政府有在管你喔你在做商業廣告詐騙廣告的時候你要嚴謹以待 |
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只是這樣啊我沒有逼你一定要去給他開罰而是納管只是在監督納管只是讓他知道商業行為之後也要兼顧我數位部的有關法令不是這樣嗎是是我們會依照委員的我們其實是因為今年他上架廣告已經檢討檢討當中啦只是因為還沒發布新宿納管是是是好不好沒有錯你是政務官 |
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我希望這個部分該納管的就要納管啊大家疑似同仁啊我法令所規定的你達到一定標準當然就一定要納管啊本來就是這樣啊為什麼獨落他咧欸 人家的百合 其他這六家會說欸 他有夠爛喔他不用納管喔欸 我去做個廣告喔欸 他那邊做廣告是不開罰的啊這裡做廣告要開罰當然全部人都要去跑去那裡做廣告啊這個廣告 |
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正常廣告我們拍手但是如果是詐騙廣告是非常嚴重的啊盡快納管 署長盡快納管 請求你們這些納管的機制盡快公告不能例外 那例外的話就是特檢好不好 來 接下來APP的問題App的問題 |
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真的判斷準確度不足我也希望兩位署長誰主管的誰儘快去因為我們是數位部是比任何一個任何一個單位是非常更積極的去針對這些APP這個問題那另外就是人工啊 |
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這個 打 打詐的AI啊 人工審核這個問題也要盡快 也要盡快來解決啦保證 我跟你講我給你這些意見 都已經發現問題連我們不是主管業務的我們民意代表 我們都看得出來的你們自己看不出來 |
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編制單位這麼多不停有時候我告訴你該積極的就要積極不要在那邊打轉我跟你講AI的問題面臨小問題就沒有辦法成為成為一個大方向你小問題不解決你大方向絕對做不來的嘛好不好最後我還是要勉勵部長因為時間的關係促進資料創新利用發展條例利益良善 |
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利益良善這OK但是不要忘了你們人力應用的問題確實在這裡 |
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民有其表 但是內容充實 但是執行不力柏定 我提供這些 不要讓我下次再來問這些草案是剛剛公布我們有60天的這個可以討論期 是啦 是啦好 最後 我還要特別提醒部長不要忘了 媒體議價法 儘快 如果基金會有爭議 |
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可以只通過議價法這個部分我要拜託部長未來你還是要去面對所以這些本席跟本黨非常重視這些我也希望我們大家取得一個共識像我們的電信法很好啊 |
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三黨都有共識啊幫助打詐啊所以這個通過像昨天三獨通過這是很好啊任何一個跟AI有關的跟資訊有關的通通部長你這裡沒有辦法去逃避所以我建議 |
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這個議價法的部分要盡快走手去規劃你們的案子你們的你們的版本這樣的話才有辦法取得一個共識所以我還是希望以上這些希望部長能夠督促能夠 |
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680.558 |
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盡速的把他這個出稿把他做出來這樣的話可能在整個審議上很簡單報告一下那個媒體叫我們現在是由行政院來文化部跟NCC所以我們希望有個院版這個還在討論中是啊院版盡速啦我的意思就是不管誰來主管數位部當然逃不掉嘛所以數位部啊公平會啊或等等這些所以我們就共同把它做好了好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
681.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
681.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
好好謝謝 |