| IVOD_ID |
162533 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162533 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-16T12:25:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-16T12:34:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/880d22d0956e9b7de73f7cfa8ea099da65ca6c232fe926b71ee0ab7c138f16ac14d49caf4f3f18ce5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:25:10 - 12:34:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請法務部部長、法務部矯正署署長、法務部廉政署率所屬相關單位列席就「鑑於近來矯正監所暴力衝突事件頻傳，如何維護『矯正是刑事司法最後一道防線』及相關獄政策進作為，包括提升戒護人力資源」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、繼續併案審查
（一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「監察院組織法第三條之一及第三條之二條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員王鴻薇等17人擬具「監察院組織法第三條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員徐巧芯等22人擬具「監察院國家人權委員會組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
【6月16日及18日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,我請監察院代秘書長麻煩複密複密我想,台灣民眾黨已經提出廢除監察院的相關修憲提案,我想你也知道了 |
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那在刚刚听说你在监察院待了40年台湾的宪政体制从五权分立开国以来大概就是现在这个样子吗还是已经变了很多了监察院的定位从立宪到今天已经面目全非了不是吗 |
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監察院的定位其實是因為修憲他原來是一個治權機關政權機關他是民意代表他在我們世事大法官解釋也認為說國民大會監察院以及立法院都是民意機關也就是說他是所謂的政權機關來監督治權機關的行政單位但是 |
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我看到您也写了相关监察制度的博士论文你也比较了匈牙利的制度但他们应该是三权分立请问现在台湾的监察院是属于政权机关还是治权机关委员 我认为监察院是我们讲学理就好了你认为现在的体制是不是应该它不算是政权机关了 |
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她是一個監察機關她是一個監察機關所以她是一個沒有名義金儲的行政監督機關是一個行政監督機關所以她就是一個行政機關嘛也就是她已經不再是代表人民行使權力的治權機關了這才是今天為什麼我們要修正這個憲法被我們七四修憲修得不倫不類的現在的體制同樣的剛剛講了五權分立 |
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獨步全球這是中華民國獨有的制度但是這幾次的修憲已經完全喪失原來五權分立的立場尤其是在監察權監察權本來應該是代表民意機關來監督行政機關可是現在的制度已經是從總統提名國會通過然後他來由行政機關來監督行政機關一個完全不符合所謂的監督制衡的制度你同意嗎 |
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是監察機關來監督行政機關是但是這個監察機關沒有民意基礎這才是我們今天的爭議也就是說制衡以三權分立來說民意機關制衡行政機關 |
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不會行政機關制衡行政機關同樣的今天的監察委員是總統提名國會通過誰是監察委員的提名權人總統總統轄下的行政院轄下的行政首長行政院長包括所屬的行政機關是你們監督的對象但是同樣的 |
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當行政機關發生問題的時候總統出錯了監察院有權利彈劾總統嗎現在是立法院立法院好你也沒有權利好那他其他的你都可以彈劾但是他才是你們的算是提名權吧誰會讓上面長官提名的行政院長 |
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受到彈劾大概現在監察委員不太會做出這種事啦所以政權機關已經喪失了現在是治權機關的一部分我認為啦你們現在基本上是沒有辦法打老虎了重點是在於最近我剛剛跟吉凱委員講的一樣我們很難過 |
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以前的監察院是高峰諒解是受到全民擁戴的只要監察院提出相關的彈劾大家都是耳手澄清拍手叫好但是這幾年尤其是今年我們很難過的看到監察院秘書長出事監察委員也出事我看到的是監察院對於自己人反而告訴我們一句我沒有辦法處理因為他們是自律機關 |
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他們是自律機關所以我們要移送司法單位當監察行政沒有辦法對自己監察的時候你認為還有多少人民會相信監察院可以打老虎秘書長你們的紀律委員會我今天已經聽了一早上了什麼時候開要不要開會不會開這切入到監察院的公信力啊多久了還要多久 |
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委員這大概是6月6號那有陳情進來那其實是今天是6月16號是他是有一定的開會是有一定的時間跟進程的然後您代理秘書長要不要快是你們行政可以做決定的 |
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沒有一定的時間跟進程我們都理解但是這是社會矚目事件即使是在地檢署都有一個重大矚目事件要快點處理啊監察院也一樣啊重大矚目事件要快點處理給社會交代啊第二個現在已經沒有人可以監督你們啦現在誰可以監督監察院 |
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這才是我們今天為什麼要廢除監察院的原因因為沒有人可以監督監察委員沒有人可以監督監察院連監察院自己監督也做不到然後要送到地檢署去我搞了半天地檢署才是監察院的監督機關啊這才是我們今天最大的問題今天中華民國制度出了問題出在這裡民意機關不能對監察委員有任何的要求所以我今天只有一個要求 |
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監察委員我們今天立法院不提案我們希望監察院你們自己提出你們監察委員的職權行使法你們應該做出對社會的承諾對社會的要求你們有怎麼樣的檢討跟反省至少要訂出監察院的監察委員的行為法這才是讓這件事情能夠止血否則接下來永無擬日立法院要修憲 |
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沒有那麼容易 但是監察院要先自律 可以比較容易秘書長 待會去跟副院長報告監察院應該提出自己對自律的一些要求監察院的直宣刑事法不要立法院來提 太丟臉了你們自己提 我們幫你審 讓他通過 |
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報告委員我們是有自律規範的自律規範訂出法來給立法院讓大家交代就像我剛剛講的現在沒有人可以監督監察委員這才是問題獨立行使職權保障任期這是非常重要的但是現在的問題是沒有人可以監督監察委員 |
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你有自律規範就讓他成為法律讓他成為可以監督自己的法律將來不用告訴我們說我沒有辦法開我沒有辦法處理我沒有權責所以我不能對他怎麼樣然後我把他移送司法機關這三句話說服不了百姓 |
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好嗎你可以原意我希望一個月之內給本席一個回覆至少監察院自己來提你們的自律規範之外包括今天那三件事那幾個監察委員的行為不是只有這個行為啊如果他們有其他的行為我們有什麼樣的自律規範立法院有職權刑事法監察院有沒有好嗎 |
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监察院只有监察法跟监察法实行系统是所以我希望你们定出你们的职权行使法我希望你们定出监察委员的行为法我希望将来类似的事情不会再发生在新闻媒体上 |
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當一個監督行政機關的御史大夫用了這樣的公器私用的狀況然後他們彈劾的對象有多少人因為開小差偷加班然後被糾正被免職的這些公務員看在眼裡怎麼過得去啊好嗎我希望一個月秘書長給我們一個回覆要不要定職權歧視法要不要定你們的請問法就看你們自己要不要自律 |
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報告委員這個職權行使法其實是跟監察法相你們可以研議我只是說你們可以研議一個月之內告訴我們你們要不要這樣做你們等到立法院來幫你們訂一個法就不好了好嗎是可以稍微時間長一點嗎 |
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一個月兩個月都可以只要你們願意我們希望好啦到現在是六月嘛我希望在這個會期結束前總可以看到吧第二個紀律委員會這些該做的事情給國人交代不要再拖了謝謝主席謝謝委員 |